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Shwayze photo nominated for deletion

Hey Blue, would mind heading on over to the talk page of file:Shwayze.jpg over at Wiki Commons. It seems they are looking to take the photo down? What did I do wrong and how can I prevent it in the future? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterchiapperino (talk • contribs) 06:46, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Peterchiapperino My first thought is that the person thinks you did not take this picture, and therefore did not have the right to upload it. You took it yourself, right? Wikipedia does not get many high-quality photos donated so it is always striking when a quality picture appears.

You did not do anything wrong. Take it as a complement that this picture is so much better than most of what gets uploaded that people doubted that you took it. To prevent this in the future, set up a userpage which says that you photograph musical performers and post this both to your account on Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons, so that people will anticipate that you are able to make your own high-quality photos of performers.

For now, confirm to me that you took this picture. If you took it, I will set up a private email address for you to make a statement that you own the copyright to this photo, and your statement will be on record for copyright verification people to see (this is fairly private - not many people have access). After it is established that you have done this once, then in the future, you will not again be flagged like this. Blue Rasberry (talk) 11:25, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Bluerasberry Mahalo Blue! Actually, a wild animal stole my camera and snapped the pic. Just kidding! All the photos I have contributed to Wiki Commons are taken by myself, Shwayze included. I definitely will take it as a compliment. I will just copy and past my user page from my Wikipedia user page, I've been meaning to do it anyway, this is a motivating experience. Thank you very much for being so patient and helpful with me Blue! Aloha! Peterchiapperino (talk) 11:58, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Resolved

With the photographer providing OTRS permission for this photo and noting on his userpage that he is a photographer. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:18, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Source data and voices

Hello, Bluerasberry, we met at Wikimania. The citation metadata database is now a project on Wikidata: d:Wikidata:WikiProject Source MetaData. I've been told I should file a bugzilla report for the automatic generation of voiced Wikipedia articles, where a human reader is not yet available, using the Festival Speech Synthesis System. This will establish whether it has already been suggested, and what any past experience is. Does this make sense to you? I like the photo of your hamster. HLHJ (talk) 16:35, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

HLHJ Thank you for writing. I will pass the complement on to my hamster.

That Wikidata project follows a lot of other initiatives since about 2007. I compiled a lot of them at Grants:IdeaLab/Reform of citation structure for all Wikimedia projects. A major difference now is that we can now host the database to back this at Wikidata, but in those other discussions, there are at least several hundred pages of discussion of how this should work.

No, a bugzilla report should not come first for that speech synthesis system. Community support is first, then coding is next, then bugzilla people can implement technical changes to make it happen. In my opinion, the most obvious route to implementation would be this:

Create a project page for text-to-speech projects
Compile directory of all past efforts on that project page (I can help with this)
Propose the "Festival" software as a subproject of the larger goal of audio for everything
Feature one article using Festival speech as an example
Get community comment on that one example (I can help with this)
If workable, make 10-20 more examples
seek broader community comment (I can help with this)
If still favorable, seek development for automatic generation of audio files (I can help with a grant proposal)
If the tool for making audio files works, then file bugzilla request to turn the tool on, if developers are not already connected to bugzilla community

You might have information that I do not have. Why did someone send you to bugzilla first? I would talk more by voice or video if you like. Blue Rasberry (talk) 07:33, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Bluerasberry. Thank you for the helpful reply. I suspect he suggested there because he does engineering outreach. I could ask. If you are sure that there is no project page for text-to-speech projects in existence, I could create one. What project should it be on, though?

I've just noticed that the Festival page has an out-of-date Festival voicing of itself. The ESpeak page does too (and actually might be better software to work with...). Making one (or twenty) more articles have voicings like that would be easy; just run the texts through an up-to-date copy of the software installed on my computer, and post the resulting soundfile. I think one could fairly easily make a bot do this and run it through all of Wikipedia once a week or so (technically, socially that might tick someone off). It would, however, lack all automatic-update functionality of a dynamically-generated recording, and there's no way you could add, say, a voice menu listing the headings.

I know blind people with their own computers have them set up to read text, and there is even a Firefox extension for it. But if the goal is to let an illiterate or a blind person use Wikipedia through a voice-only phone or internet café, or automatically turn any Wikipedia article into a podcast you can download, then any working prototype is going to involve either rewriting some of the Mediawiki software, or creating a seperate audio interface for it. I am not familiar with Mediawiki and I don't have time to become so anytime soon; if there is a dev with suitable expertise, I could probably find them a voice-synthesis-software expert, but frankly we could probably use existing open-source text-to-voice software as-is, at least at first; it's perfectly intelligible. Have I misunderstood something? What functionality, exactly, would be useful?HLHJ (talk) 18:56, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) here. From a dev perspective I think the gains to automating voiceover are somewhat limited. The best way to ensure articles are accessible to all readers is to make sure we (as article writers) avoid relying on elements which are hard for screen readers to deal with (complex tables, in text references to images which are required to understand content, etc.) and as devs making sure that mediawiki produces HTML which is parsable by screen readers (setting the right aria attributes and so forth). The advantage of spoken articles comes from their being read by a human who can intelligently walk over the article structure and content, reading in a way which is demonstrably better than an algorithm. Also, while spoken articles can help those who are completely visually impaired, screen readers offer many other features which allow blind and partially sighted readers to read an article. Namely, navigation within and beyond the page. Users of screen readers browse the web much like the rest of us; they skip content, reread portions and hunt for references. It's possible to do that with a well designed and accessible page and difficult to do that with a single audio file which has to be traversed linearly. Sorry for the cold water, but if we're concerned about accessibility we need to make the pages we have more accessible, not generate separate elements which serve only one function for blind and partially sighted readers. Protonk (talk) 19:12, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

@HLHJ: Wikipedia articles have introductions. Right now, I think it would be useful to have some automated audio recordings of some intros to about 10 Wikipedia health articles. Would you be on-board to help with turning some articles into speech as a demo with this Festival software? I think this demo could integrate with an existing project to distribute 100 health summaries in every language - see WP:TTF and more specifically Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Translation_task_force/RTT. We would like to also have spoken versions of these articles in every language, but we need to demo at least English first.

@CFCF: is coordinating contributors to this translation project. If we provided recordings to him, he could integrate them into the English language articles.

@Protonk:, I agree with you that automating this is not best and having humans read this would be ideal. We just had a meetup Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Spoken_Wikipedia in July in which gathered a lot of people at a recording studio and had them read article intros. It was difficult to manage this mostly because of technical logistics, and not because of difficulty recruiting or queuing readers in a studio. At this point, we still have difficulty applying completed recordings to articles and designing an appropriate cataloging system for them, as well as teaching people how to play the recordings. I hate to create a lot of ruckus having recordings which are not entirely useful, but if it is no big difficulty to run this software to make demo recordings, then I think that would help everyone evaluate the vision of doing this at all.

@AbhiSuryawanshi: is coordinating an effort to have people in India read articles, mostly health articles, in local languages, and through him a lot of Wikipedians in India become stakeholders in this shared project.

I myself am in kind of an awkward situation in that the Wikimedia Foundation is having a staffperson from Wikipedia Zero present at the United Nations with a telecommunications company about delivering health information to the developing world. One of the major ideas is to sell mobile phones preloaded with Wikipedia's information and particularly the health information, and if we had voice recordings, those two could be preloaded on phones at the factory. I will be speaking with this group for the first time next week and showing them all that we have, but it would be nice to have some project proposals in queue and this voice project could be one of them.

Going forward - HLHJ, if we gave you 10 blocks of text, could you run those through the text-to-voice software and return audio files? CFCF, if I had some audio files for you and some documentation on how they were created, would you be comfortable integrating this project with the main translation project somehow? If so, then we need a project page somewhere. Can I put it anywhere in the translation project space, or do you have an idea of where it should go? Also, do you have suggestions of which blocks of text we would like to first convert to audio?

Thanks everyone for any input any of you can give. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:22, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

BTW I saw this because I have your page on my watchlist. I don't think the pings triggered for that edit. If you were hoping to get the attention of those editors you may have to make another comment w/ the pings. Protonk (talk) 13:17, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I changed the typical user templates to ping templates. That should work. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:54, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Not My Life

Hi Lane,

Thanks for commenting on the Not My Life FAC. Given the comments in response, do you intend to contact Rhodes and solicit her opinions on the article? I don't mind if you do; I was just wondering if you were awaiting a response from her before commenting further. I hope life has been going well with you since we were last in touch.

Neelix (talk) 15:37, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Neelix. I replied at Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Not_My_Life/archive1#Request_for_opinion_from_expert and yes, I did contact Rhodes and bcc'd you. No, I am not waiting for any response and do not plan to comment further unless I hear from her, and even in that case, my role would be just to help her say whatever she wanted to say on wiki. Thanks for writing the article. Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:14, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Copyediting Help needed

Hey, I submitted newly created Ichharam Desai at DYK. Can you copyedit it? I am not native speaker so it may have mistakes. Regards and Thanks -Nizil (talk) 17:26, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Nizil Shah Done! Thanks for writing this, and ask me anytime for copyediting. I broke the life section into two paragraphs to separate his life before and after arrest. When I did this, I copied a reference. I checked the reference, but I am not sure that the one I copied is actually the one from which early life information came. Can you please check that I placed the correct reference on that first paragraph? Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:53, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick help. I fixed the ref. :) -Nizil (talk) 20:08, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Greetings from an epidemiologist

Hello there! Thank you so much for your message! Sorry for the delay in my reply. As you can probably see on my talk page, no one has really posted anything on here for a number of years, so I didn't think to check. In regards to my interest in helping with maternal health articles, my short answer is - YES! My long answer is, Yes, but I may not be able to make it a top priority, as I am trying to focus my efforts on publishing papers and pushing through on my dissertation, which will be on cesarean delivery. If we can work together to collaborate on a very do-able schedule and actually make these articles something that reflects the robust scientific (qualitative AND quantitative) literature, it would make me incredibly happy.

I actually work and go to school in NYC! Email me through Wikipedia and we can definitely make some plans! I would love to get together and have a cup of coffee to discuss. I work on Tuesdays and Thursdays in Northern Manhattan, and am in Midtown Manhattan during the late afternoon/early evening on Mondays (usually). Let's set something up - yay! Chat soon! WiiAlbanyGirl (talk) 21:40, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I emailed you and also invited you to this month's NYC Wikipedia meetup, which will be at Mount Sinai Medical Center and themed around emergency medicine. I look forward to talking more. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:12, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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Medical Translation Newsletter Aug./Sept. 2014

Medical Translation Newsletter
Issue 2, Aug./Sept. 2014
by CFCF

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Feature – Ebola articles

During August we have translated Disease and it is now live in more than 60 different languages! To help us focus on African languages Rubric has donated a large number of articles in languages we haven't previously reached–so a shout out them, and Ian Henderson from Rubric who's joined us here at Wikipedia. We're very happy for our continued collaboration with both Rubric and Translators without Borders!

Just some of our over 60 translations:

New roles and guides!

At Wikimania there were so many enthusiastic people jumping at the chance to help out the Medical Translation Project, but unfortunately not all of them knew how to get started. That is why we've been spending considerable time writing and improving guides! They are finally live, and you can find them at our home-page!

New sign up page!

We're proud to announce a new sign up page at WP:MTSIGNUP! The old page was getting cluttered and didn't allow you to speficy a role. The new page should be easier to sign up to, and easier to navigate so that we can reach you when you're needed!

Style guides for translations

Translations are of both full articles and shorter articles continues. The process where short articles are chosen for translation hasn't been fully transparent. In the coming months we hope to have a first guide, so that anyone who writes medical or health articles knows how to get their articles to a standard where they can be translated! That's why we're currently working on medical good lede criteria! The idea is to have a similar peer review process to good article nominations, but only for ledes.

Some more stats

In July, 18 full article translations went live (WP:RTT), and an additional 6 simplified versions went live (WP:RTTS)!
We have a number of new lead integrators into Dutch, Polish, Arabic and Bulgarian, with more to come in smaller languages! (Find them here old sign up page)
We were mentioned in a Global Voices Online report by Subhashish Panigrahi at Doctors and translators are working together to bridge Wikipedia's medical language gap
New medical professionals have started, dedicated to working in Odiya and Kinyarwanda!

Further reading

Translators Without Borders
Healthcare information for all by 2015, a global campaign

-- CFCF 🍌 (email) 13:09, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

New sign-up page for the Medical Translation Project

Hey!

This is a friendly reminder that the sign-up page at the Medical Translation Project (previously Translation Task force) has been updated. This means everyone has to sign up again. Using the new page it will be easier for us to get into contact with you when there is work available. Please check out our progress pages now! There might be work there already for you.

We are also very proud to introduce new roles and guides which allows people to help who don't have medical knowledge too!

Here are ways you can help!
Community organization: We need involved Wikipedians to engage the community on the different Wikipedias, and to spread the word!
Assessing content: We need language knowledgeable Wikipedians (or not yet Wikipedians) who indicate on our progress tables which articles should and should not be translated!
Translating: We are always on the look-out for dedicated translators to work with our content, especially in smaller languages!
Integration: Translated articles need to be integrated into local Wikipedias. This process is done manually, and needs to take merge or replace older articles.
Template installation: For translations to be more useful templates and modules should be installed. We need people with the technical know-how who can help out!
Programming: Several of our processes are in need of simplification and many could occur automatically with bots.

Please use the sign up page, and thank you guys for all the work you've been doing. The translation project wouldn't be possible without you!

-- CFCF 🍌 (email) 13:09, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Spam (food) Article Editing

Hi there! I’m Maggie, and I’m part of the group (with Linda, Tiffany, and Kathy) that is working on editing the Spam (food) article as part of a class assignment for INFO 3460.

Thank you so much for all your feedback on our proposal for edits and the sources we found! Your advice has been very useful as we’ve been going back to checking the reliability of all our sources, and looking up more interesting sources to add as well.

We just wanted to let you know that we are starting to add/fix actual content in the article now, so we welcome you to continue checking over our work (including the new sources we added to our bibliography list) and providing us with constructive criticism/advice throughout this process! Also, we think your hamster is really cute. :) (But really.) Thanks, Mwong850 (talk) 00:47, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Caesarian Section

Thinking more after my "keep" at AFD, I wonder whether Emergency caesarian section would be helpful (replacing the "elective" link in Template:Obstetrical procedures). If the new article went on to explain what "elective" meant then Elective caesarean section could redirect to it. All this could be done editorially, without recourse to AFD, etc. Unfortunately, I don't feel confident that I could create an adequate article, though I'm sure you could! My personal interest involved a disagreement between GP and consultant and (in the UK in 1998) a refusal by the consultant (who turned out to be right). Thincat (talk) 08:15, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Thincat I am uncertain myself of how this should look in the end, but for now, the problem that I want to address is that the same concept is being discussed by different names in different places and I wanted to merge all existing discussions. If after the merge there is enough content to split again into new articles, then I would do that. I wish for "elective caesarean section" to redirect to "caesarean section" because as I understand, 95% of caesarean sections are elective/scheduled.

The topics "elective caesarean section" and "emergency caesarean section" both meet Wikipedia's inclusion criteria and I wish that there were articles covering both of these topics, but as I look more at the sources, I find no easy way to do this because I find no introductory texts which help me differentiate these nuanced topics from the general concept of a c-section. I wrote to some medical societies and asked for their opinions and they were not prepared to comment on the confusion about the I think this confusion may be something that has surfaced on Wikipedia and that many health professionals have not consciously reflected upon. I myself work for a well established health publisher and we too are thinking about this.

The most that I can say right now is that I will be talking with others and thinking more about this, and that I will watch the article indefinitely. I do not feel strongly about which articles should or should not exist, but I do want all discussions of single concepts to happen in one location, and right now the concepts of "scheduled c sections" and "optional c sections" are happening in multiples places and it confuses me to come to terms with it.

I appreciate your feedback a lot. I have not looked as much at "emergency" literature but I if I come across something, I will note all the sources I find and try to make an article. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:59, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it is far more important that the topic is covered well than the detailed disposition of articles. In case it helps, UK National Health Service wisdom is here and here. Although they refer to "elective" and "emergency" (widely called such in the UK) they seem to prefer "planned" and "urgent". This is also of interest. On the maternal request issue, note in the second reference at "If you're anxious about childbirth" that there is maternal entitlement in England and Wales (since 2011[1]). I live in Scotland so I found this relevant. Best wishes. Thincat (talk) 17:07, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Lane,

Thanks for the praise and critique of the Briarcliff article. I replied to your comments, feel free to reply back whenever.

Thanks again,--ɱ (talk) 21:58, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Changes at MOS

Hi Lane, would it be clearer to provide them with the diff for your changes? I'm not sure. Tony (talk) 12:00, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Tony1. I made it more clear, I think. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:06, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

About User talk:Bluerasberry/Jashodaben Chimanlal

Hello Lane!
About that article-to-be: as soon as it goes into article-space, it might end up a WP:G4 candidate, due to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jashodaben. I would have moved it straight away otherwise. Apologies if you are already aware of this.
Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 08:58, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Shirt58. No, I had not seen those deletion discussions because I looked under other names. Thanks for pointing them out. I developed the article further and preemptively addressed past concerns so that now this should not bee speedy deleted even if it is AfD'd. Thanks for the heads up. I made a mistake in the move and could use help again in deleting Jashodaben Chimanlal for a move. Thanks for your help. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:40, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

I moved the page. Looks ok to me, but I didn't do a comprehensive check vs. the original AfD. Protonk (talk) 14:11, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- You can ping me or tag the pages w/ {{db-u1}} if you want the redirects in your userspace deleted (of which there are two, I think). Protonk (talk) 14:13, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination

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Wikidata citations

This will interest you:

* https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Tools_for_using_wikidata_items_as_citations#Endorsements

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Speedy deletion nomination of Jashodaben Chimanlal

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Thanks, I sorted this. Blue Rasberry (talk) 11:44, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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Medical translations from Tec de Monterrey

Just FYI that I have two biotechnology students working with me for their community service hours. They've translated es:Neurofarmacología and es:Historia social de los virus (English to Spanish) so far.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:29, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) Media Viewer RfC

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OpenAccess project

Two peer reviewed journals which I know of are licensed under Creative Commons Share-Alike, including images. Is there a repository for them somewhere? Both print only full articles.

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Amousey (talk) 00:28, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Amousey The equivalent of hundreds of pages of discussion exists on this question. The best available short introduction is at s:Wikisource:WikiProject Open Access, and you could archive those journals there. The more interesting question is "Can this be done in an automated way", and people are working on that question also. At Commons:Commons:Open Access File of the Day I am having trouble keeping a daily picture updated. These pictures were mostly scraped and categorized by robots, which would be part of the archiving process. If you really are interested in talking about this then email me and we can talk by voice sometime about the state of all these projects and what current best practices are. In summary - nothing can be done without studying the processes a bit, and it will not be easy to archive anything for a while. Blue Rasberry (talk) 00:55, 6 October 2014 (UTC)