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Thanks Anna for the really nice new nudibranch articles! Project Gastropods is doing really well and growing quite fast. (Soon the world will be covered in slime!) I've been updating taxonomy in various taxoboxes, and learning some stuff about the B&R taxonomy as I go along. Your work looks very professional, well done. Sluggy slimy best to you, Invertzoo (talk) 12:53, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much Sluggy. If there are new articles needed that are more important than others, please tell me and I will make them. All the best, Itchy. --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:31, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Mites and sea slugs
I noticed your comment to Snek about mites and wanted to say that if it feels like mites all over you when you are resting in bed, that sensation is probably nothing but formication, especially if you are of an age to be approaching menopause. I had that for many years during the menopause transition years. Best, Invertzoo (talk) 14:53, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't think that's it. Did I mention the visible rash of little red dots? I just can't figure it out. Next step: hotel. I hope I never experience formication. It must have been maddening for you. You are brave indeed. Thanks again.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Are they very tiny little dark red dots scattered all over your body? If so then they may quite likely just be angiomas. If on the other hand they are all together in one dense area, then it sounds more like a real rash, and you would feel the itchy sensation only in the area where the rash is.
Thanks, sure, I will let you know if I think some gastropod articles are more important to create than others are. If you enjoy using the photos we already have, then just doing species articles for the sea slugs is really helpful. If you would prefer to create articles for somewhat more major taxa, any additional superfamily stub article would be handy, like for example... most of the superfamilies within the Vetigastropoda don't have an article. However, I can't imagine what's it's like creating articles when you don't know the subject very well, so I would say please just do whatever you enjoy the most. It's important to enjoy working on Wikipedia. Invertzoo (talk) 19:06, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Of course, I love making articles. It gives me a chance to learn. I will check out Taxonomy of the Gastropoda (Bouchet & Rocroi, 2005) for missing groups as high up as possible, and of course, the front gastropage.
As for the itchies, it may be getting better, but at a rate that indicates the source is still there. No little dots on the bed. It's so strange, but then again, in this neck of the woods, there can be many possible sources - bio and non-bio. Fake laundry soap, something blowing in the window, heck, there may be some freakish PCB tainted oil in the motor of my new bedside fan. There's an saying amongst foreigners here: Expect the unexpected.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
DYK for Rhodocollybia
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Gatoclass 08:35, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
New account
Mmmm, a technical question... I have to say that this is something I know very little about, so I could be wrong, but here's what I think is true:
If you started the account for Sue on her computer, I don't really see much of a problem at all, that's just helping her to get started, although it might have been better to sit with her when you did it, in order to make sure she was 100% involved and committed to the idea.
However, if you started the new account on your own computer Anna, then it will have your computer's IP address as the one it is linked to, and in that case the new account will appear to be simply an "alternative account" of your account. Alternative accounts are not necessarily a bad thing but they can have a bad reputation when they are used as "sock puppets", which I am sure is not your intention with this. More info on sock puppets is at [1].
As for what else to say about your question, I am not sure, because I just don't know enough...
You could maybe ask your question (is what I did OK?) at: [2]
Thank you. And thank you for working on it. It has yet to have any approval for DKY. The time is running out so maybe they will pass on it. I just had a mushroom DKY last week, so maybe they don't want to do two from the same editor.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for your disappointment with the WP Arthropods' talk page, I normally check my watch list; actually the only reason I new that you asked you asked the question there is when I was looking to see if Stemonitis became active yet, he hasn't edited since March. i replied there before, didn't know you already added it to DYK. Bugboy52.4 | =-=19:12, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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Thanks for fixing it. I'll read the rules again. I am still a bit overwhelmed by the template. It gives me an ice cream headache.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I really like the new plug and feathers image, please compliment your friend who took it. The article in question is shaping up very nicely. Your drawing is very clear too. I wish I had such an image in the Dutch article on Lewis (lifting appliance). I tried to do a drawing of the mechanism of a St Peter's keys, but I'm not so good at it.
I once made an article on the Pointing machine, but my English is badly in need of a text corrector. Seeing your enthusiasm for this item, I hoped you might be interested to have a look at it. If not, still best wishes, greetings, --Satrughna (talk) 17:42, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Ah, so you figured out my name. My real last name is super-top-secret. Only my travel agent knows.
I will pass on the compliment to the person who took the picture. He is Marc Archambault. He runs a stone masonry website. I wrote to him for a photo and he was kind enough to send me one.
Lewis is cool. I never knew it existed. I will work on an image. I am trying to learn SVG. My image is very choppy on diagonal lines.
I can see the 'St. Peter's keys' image but don't quite understand how it works. It's tough to put the mechanics into words, but the article does a good job. I think a drawing of the St. Peter's keys would be a good idea.
Pointing machine is cool. I never knew it existed either. It looks difficult to use -- like it could fold up and make you say "AAAOUCH!", and make everyone watching say "OOOOOOOOOOOOO Are you okay?".
Your English is wonderful. If you are Dutch, I must compliment you. The Dutch have the best language skills in Europe. I lived in Amsterdam for four years and my Dutch was very, very bad, mostly because everyone spoke English to me.
If you want, you can do a pencil sketch of St.Peter's keys, take a snapshot of it and email it to me (annaswikiaccount at gmail dot com) and I will try to draw it. All the best!--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:29, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
St Peter's keysHi Anna,
Better still, here's a picture I tried to draw, using Google sketchup, but I must say I'm still learning. It's a common complaint that it's hard to learn Dutch when everyone speaks English to you. Thanks for the compliment. The Danes, Swedes and Norwegians are at least as good in English as we are, though.
A pointing machine doesn't move, as it isn't really a machine, so you can't get caught in it either. At least I never have. I can image some people I know hurting themselves with it, but it would be really difficult to do so. The only way to get hurt would be if you moved the needle so that it pointed outwards, and then ran headlong into it- ouch! It's more like one of those desk lamps that you can adjust and tighten in any position you like: you just clamp the arms into a certain position and then move the whole contraption to another spot, where you can carve a hole until the needle reaches the final depth.
Oh, by the way, I wasn't the one who wrote the Lewis article.
I learnt more about Sketchup, so I recently updated the Lewis image, hence the image you see next to this will be the new, improved one. I saw you settled the copyvio on Lewis, by the way.Greetings, Satrughna (talk) 19:46, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
DYK for Ice calving
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I wanted to say that if and when you happen to feel like it, you might want to try to patch together stub articles for the informal group Architaenioglossa, for the informal group Ptenoglossa, and for the clade "Limacoid clade", all listed in B&R. If you make 'em I will fix them up as best as I can. And also if and when you feel like it, we need stubs for Group Acochlidiacea, Group Cylindrobullida and Clade Umbraculida. (Oh and when you have a spare 9,000 weeks, ha ha, a large number of the gastropod superfamilies need a stub. In many cases those would not be so difficult to do because a lot of the families have articles, at least in most cases.) I would say steer clear of the fossil groups for the time being. No slime in fossils you see... nasty dry things they are. Best, Invertzoo (talk) 23:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Nice to hear from you. I would be happy to help. I will give it a look over and start ASAP. First I must prepare with a few sacks of staples and some bricks and mortar for my front door. ha ha. Actually, it would be a pleasure. It is so nice to see articles grow. It is like planting seeds. Plus, I get to learn about it. That's why I make articles about things that are a mystery to me. Now, I just adore gastropods. They either cool, or cute, or beautiful, and sometimes all three.
Right now I am waiting for a big solar eclipse. There are lots of people on the roofs of buildings waiting to stare at it. Eye protection? Sure. Some have mirrors. Ha ha.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:08, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Wow thanks so much for such a rapid response on creating the new articles! That's great! And good for you that you create articles in areas you know virtually nothing about; I am sure you are unusual in that respect. I take my hat off to you. (Deep bow). I've been doing a lot of clean-up all over the place, updating the taxonomy is part of it, also expanding project gastropod templates to include the class of the article and the importance. I'm going to the first WikiConference New York this weekend, and will be on a panel about projects and collaboration, so that has helped make me more aware of what Project Gastropods needs in general. I hope your solar eclipse went well and that not too many people damaged their eyesight! Best, Invertzoo (talk) 20:42, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind compliments. The eclipse was a washout. I think I am too far south. I am about to get quite busy, so I thought I would try hard to make lots of articles to keep you all busy. I hope you enjoy the Wikiconference. It sounds very exciting. Tell Jimbo he looks a little like Daniel Craig but with a beard. Regards, --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:08, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Barnstar for you
The Bio-star
For an extraordinary rapid and mammoth upgrade to our Gastropod project taxonomy article coverage, as well as for your other excellent biology-related articles such as Red Palm Mite, I award you this Barnstar, Anna. Invertzoo (talk) 13:06, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you so much. I have so many people to thank.... But really, I just finished the Nudibranch of Niceness award for you and you beat me to it. You are very sweet.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
WikiConference New York
Hi Anna, the conference is actually still in session right now. I came home at about 6 pm at the end of the afternoon session so that I could have a quick swim and make dinner/have dinner with my DH and then kick back. I don't imagine any video footage of the conference is up yet, but I asked that question at [3] and we can see if anyone answers it. Tomorrow will be conference again all morning and then a picnic in Central Park or hang out at NYU if weather does not cooperate. Yes, I had a wonderful time. Our panel discussion (3 people as it turned out), Panel B-2 on "Collaboration and WikiProjects", turned out just as perfect as could be wished for [4]. I was very lucky to have User:Greenreaper and User:Clockworksoul talk before me, the three of us meshed perfectly. Anyway now Jimbo knows about ProjectGastropods! And likes it! Yay! All good slimy wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 01:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Another barnstar
A piece of Jimbo's star
For all the hard work Anna has put in to help make WikiProject Gastropods as great as it is, I award you a nice-sized chunk of the barnstar that Jimbo gave us on July 25 2009. This piece has a diamond in it! Invertzoo (talk) 12:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
You are so kind, thank you too. I guess we are all in charge of the planet, right? But maybe you mean the Planet "Slimy Creatures on Wikipedia"... By the way, I have to say that Jimbo is really very handsome in person, sort of mysterious and great-looking. Most of his pictures do not at all do justice to him. This is a very good portrait: [6]. Usually you see a sort of tense and veiled look instead, like this: [7] So anyway, thanks for even more gastropod articles!! It will take us a while to catch up with all them!!! best, Invertzoo (talk) 21:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I mean you should be in charge of Earth. I'll make a few photo calls and see what I can do. As for Jimbo being handsome -- I told you so. And I see what you mean comparing the two photos. I wonder what he'd look like without the beard. Thanks for fixing up the articles. It's really nice to see them take shape. Just curious, am I allowed to give out barnstars? I have received a few but have never given out a single one. I've only been around for 8 months or so and I still feel very new at Wikipedia, and thought it might be seen as audacious. Cheers. --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Sure, you can give out barnstars. There are no guidelines about how long you have to be here to do that. Maybe perhaps I give 'em out a bit too liberally, I dunno, I suppose they are supposed to be for significant contributions. There's more info on them at Wikipedia:Barnstars. There are also plates of cookies, cups of tea, flowers, and so forth that you can award people. You can take a look at Wikipedia:Personal user awards. Of course you can also make your own awards from scratch as you did with the Nudibranch of Niceness. And then there is soup for when people are sick, all kinds of things. Happy this day, happy that day, and so forth. Kindness is very important indeed on Wikipedia. Ah yes, the question of Jimbo's beard. Take a look at User:Jimbo Wales/WikiProject Wikipedians for Jimbo's beard. I personally like the beard because it has counterculture associations for me. And somehow it helps make him look like a "great thinker". (I have an acute crush on him now after he was so nice to me at the conference; I don't think anyone has ever showered me with so many compliments all at once.) Best, Invertzoo (talk) 17:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
For the link to the Signpost, I had not seen that yet! Yet more fame... I will get a swelled head and I will not have enough slime to go round. Invertzoo (talk) 00:53, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I announce that Anna Frodesiak makes stubs about extinct snails. While being only one sentence, they have one reference, and an infobox, and make a new page patrollers job easy. I dream of horses @ 22:22, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi - I saw in the dog meat discussion that you might be able to take pictures of this trade in China. I tried to get pictures like those by emailing PETA but they replied that they didn't have any good pictures. You might want to contact them to see if they would be interested in your pictures. I reached them at info@peta.org. Bob98133 (talk) 16:09, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm happy to take a couple of pics of dog and cat meat for Wikipedia, but that's about as far as it goes for me. As I live over here, I stay out of these kinds of things. In fact, now that I think about it, I'm not really too happy with the idea that my photos could end up on an animal rights poster that protests China's dog meat trade. I'm kind of having second thoughts now.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:36, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
You deserve this, much more than I do!
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For tireless creation of a myriad of new high-taxa gastropod stubs, thus creating a proper structure for WikiProject Gastropods (dare I say a "backbone" or "skeleton"? No, perhaps I should stick with the word "foundation"!) on which we can proceed to create and hang new genus and species articles, I award you Anna, this lovely revolving barnstar. Invertzoo (talk) 15:35, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
That is very sweet. Thank you. But you three are really the tireless ones. I throw a few seeds out there and you do all the hard work.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
One small thing
Just wanted to say thanks so much Anna for putting the Gastropod project template on all of the talk pages of the new stubs as you create them. I am doing a lot of assessments on articles right now, and so can I ask you, could you possibly, where it says "class=" in the templates, put Stub, not C class? And all of the new family and superfamily articles are considered "importance = High", not "importance=Low", (which is for most of the species articles or other not so crucial things.) Since all the ones you are creating are stubs, and they are all high importance so far, then this should be easy to do I hope. Slimy hugs, Invertzoo (talk) 18:47, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Susan. I changed the following project templates from C class Low to Stub class High while clogging up something called Recent Changes. There still remains a handful. I will look for those too. All the best to you! (P.S. I have no further families or superfamilies to create. There are still 51 basal and paleo that Michal will do. The list of those are here. I am guessing that he already knows to put Stub/High on them.)
You are amazing, how did you do that so fast? Are you sure you don't have a bot up your sleeve? Thanks a million! Oh, and "recent changes" is a page, a list of new changes that appears here: [9]. Various people patrol it to try to catch any vandalism or other weirdnesses. You can read about the patrol here: [10] I guess you were making so many at one time that they couldn't easily see the other people's changes that were working at the same time you were! best, Invertzoo (talk) 19:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Bot? No. Just Firefox keyboard shortcuts and Editpad Lite's search and replace. Very primative. A lot of 'this key that key this key that key' a million times with a million tabs open at once. I am not bright enough to understand 'bots'. The only time that term comes to mind is when I am looking at something I have just purchased. Ha ha. Big hugs. --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:16, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
"Hi, I am another member of WikiProject Gastropods. Cavoliniidae was a pretty good family article, I think I worked on it some yesterday. Cavolinioidea on the other hand is different, it is a superfamily article which should link to the family article. Now Cavoliniidae is reduced to being only a circular link on the Cavolinioidea page. I think maybe it is possible that User:JoJan, an admin, got rid of it by mistake, based on misunderstanding a note I sent him yesterday on his talk page. Thanks so much if you can restore it. Invertzoo (talk) 20:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)"
No, it's still just a circular link as far as I can tell... Does it show up as a separate article to you? many thanks, Invertzoo (talk)
Oh and if you run out of things to do in creating new B&R articles, there's all kinds of other really useful stuff you could do. There's a list of some widespread things that need doing on the project page here [11], and there's a list of how to check an article on one of my subpages here: User:Invertzoo/How to check an article
It seems I was wrong and Cavoliniidae was never a real article until just now, when I threw a stub together for it, and removed the circular link. I was confusing it with Clionidae I think. My brain was wikiscrambled. Best to you, Invertzoo (talk) 01:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Going away soon
Hi Anna, I will be away from next Friday (21st) for 2 and a half weeks, back late on Sept 8th. If perhaps a Good Article review comes up during that time for the Socorro springsnail article while I am gone, maybe you would be kind enough to help Snek (Michal) with any prose issues and also with the general process of fixing the article up according to the suggestions of the reviewer? All good wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 19:01, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Of course. I am at his service. Have a wonderful trip. I hope it is somewhere tropical where you can enjoy a little umbrella with a drink around it.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:52, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Well it's SoCal, which means I can enjoy a sliced avocado with beanspouts wrapped around it, or maybe a surfboard with kelp wrapped around it, or a sunset with the Pacific Ocean wrapped around it. Best, Invertzoo (talk) 00:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Anna, I am having a nice time in California staying somewhere with a view of the ocean, the same ocean that surrounds your part of the world. I hope you are doing OK. I am going through a lot of articles, fixing them up in various ways. I discovered that although the clade Hygrophila was blue linked in the B&R list, it was a link to an article on a genus of freshwater plants of the same name. So I made one for the snail clade Hygrophila (clade). That is something that occurs from time to time, the same Latin name being used for a plant taxon and an animal taxon, and that's allowed under the rules of biological nomenclature, although it can be a bit disconcerting sometimes. In any case, I want to say again how excellent it is for us not to have any red links for any of the taxa at and above the level of family within the gastropods. It's really a wonderful thing, and something I did not expect us to achieve for really a long time. So many many thanks for the major work you did in this! It's a great leap forward. No pun intended. Slimy wishes for all the best, Invertzoo (talk) 15:48, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Sluggy! California, a view of the ocean and avocados -- perfect! I hope you are relaxing. You must be a total Wikiaddict to be in such a nice place and yet still edit so much. Thanks for fixing the Hygrophilia thing. It is also my pleasure to see the red links vanish. I am rather busy here these days, but I will get back to editing more soon. Have a lovely holiday. Travel safely.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:01, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi Slugwoman, I am back in NYC now. Thanks for the good wishes: the trip was nice and the travel was smooth. I had not intended to do any Wikipedia work at all while I was away (!) but then I found out that my DH had paid $50 for a wireless connection for the time we were there (for one thing and another) so I felt I had to get my money's worth out of that!! Also it is a way to fill in time when nothing else in particular is happening. I had the laptop set up so that I had a view of the ocean only 2 blocks away down the valley every time I lifted my head, and that with the doors all open, well, it is pretty nice. I also can't wait to get all the unassessed articles assessed, and a lot of other clean-up done, then I will maybe kick back a little bit. Best wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 23:05, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Of course I would love to be working with you on this project. That would be easier and much funnier if we can share the work and/or go on the field and to it together.
I am going to upload some photos tonight, then you could see if they look better than the ones you put already.
I have cropped and uploaded the pics you sent. You can put them where you like. Of course the Haikou article needs some, but also the Hainan article has no pics of the capital city.
At the bottom of the Haikou article you will find these four districts:
I'm glad to help, whenever I can. I'm working hard on such things, reassessing and assessing articles. It may be sooner than we expected, but we'll be reaching 0 unassessed articles in project gastropods before we know it. If you need anything, give me a call =). Best wishes. --Daniel Cavallari (talk) 21:36, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
'A' Net Station which you created, is currently up for deletion
Some months ago I emailed Mr. Maat for a logo. I have just emailed him again asking him to reply with some comment or proof. Let's give this a bit of time. Also, I respect your scrutiny of the article. I know it is in the name of keeping Wikipedia "real". Thanks. --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:05, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi Anna -
I saw that you were associated with the picture Bilderberg - Oosterbeek.jpg. I'm trying to reach the owner of the image to discuss a license to use it as a still in a motion picture. Can you please contact me at kjkunberger@cloudtenpictures.com.
Thanks,
Kate Kunberger —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.227.224.118 (talk) 16:59, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi Kate. I didn't have anything to do with the image. I think I enhanced the colours and that is all. If you still want me to email you, I will. Can you tell me on my talk page here how I can help? --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:16, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Anna
Hi - I liked the photo you took of Haikou city skyline from Evergreen Park - do you live in Haikou?
Please accept my apology for not respodningb to you better. I am not widely sharing this, but I had a major health crisis which struck in early May 2009, and I am still recovering. One of the consequences has been a lot more trouble with typing, but I am on the mend. I hope my failure to get back to you will not discourage you. Thanks. Mark Vaoverland (talk) 05:18, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Blue
Cobalt blue snail is looking into the drop of water as into the mirror to see, how pretty it is. It has aristocratic blue blood certainly.
Fair enough. But there are many mountains that are called "Example Mountain", while others are called "Mount Example". In English, on Hainan Island, it is never called Mount Wuzhi and everyone would burst into hysterics if it were called that. It's like calling that movie "Mount Brokeback". It would just sound strange.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:08, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
What do you mean by saying " In English, on Hainan Island, it is never called Mount Wuzhi"? Do you mean that the English-speaking people who resident in Hainan never call it Mount Wuzhi? If so, I don't think that there are many English-speaking people there, and their practice will not be taken too seriously. Or do you mean that Chinese people who live in Hainan never call it Mount Wuzhi? If so, their practice should be simply ignored since they do not speak English at all. For further information, see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English). --Pengyanan (talk) 11:38, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I mean that all the English-speaking non-Chinese people who live on Hainan Island--and there are thousands--never call it Mount Wuzhi. As this is English Wikipedia, I respectfully suggest that the article be called Wuzhi Mountain for one simple reason: in English, that is what it is called. This fact should supersede Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English). Sticking to the straight rules on this one will result in an article with the wrong name.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:15, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I just realize how much effort this is all taking. You've probably figured out by now that I live on the island (and have climbed all over Wuzhi Mountain many times). But this just isn't worth the keystrokes. May I discontinue this discussion? Keep it as Mount Wuzhi. What the heck. Maybe it'll catch on and people will start calling it that.
If you really want to help, I could use some assistance in figuring out the counties' proper names for the province. At Hainan there is a crappy map I put together that is missing info. Cheers and good will. :) --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:38, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
No problem. Whether it was originally Wuzhi Shan or Wuzhi Mountain, I still find it strange that it is now called "Mount Five Finger", but not big deal. I won't contest the matter any further. It will always be Five Finger Mountain to me. Aaahhhhh, the memories.
Seeing your question, I guess you may come from the United States. Well, the administrative divisions in China are different from those in the United States. Chinese cities are not under counties. County-level divisions (including counties and county-level cities) are under prefecture-level divisions or directly under the provincial level divisions. In the case of Hainan, those cities you mentioned above are directly under the Province. There are no counties above them. The lead section of List of administrative divisions of Hainan explains that "[i]n Hainan, nearly all county-level divisions (the four districts excepted) come directly under the province". For further information about Chinese administrative divisions, please see Administrative divisions of China. As for the name of Wuzhishan City, I don't think that it's necessary to move it. Although Wuzhi Shan should not be the title of Mount Wuzhi, Wuzhishan can be legitimately a disambiguation page for it. Thanks. --Pengyanan (talk) 07:03, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Okay. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that the map I referred to is fine the way it is. Some areas are counties while others are nothing. Is this correct? By the way, I am Canadian. Thanks and I do appreciate you taking the time for this. This matter has been a bone in my throat for some time.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:53, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
BTW, I just noticed that there is scanty coverage of endemic Hawaiian gastropods. If you want to collaborate or talk about some future articles let me know. Apparently, W. H. Dall studied them in some depth but his work was never published, as far as I can tell. Viriditas (talk) 08:42, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Problem of classification
Hi Anna Frodesiak,
I'm busy working on the genus Cratena and it seems there's a problem:- the genus comes up in a Wiki search as either belonging to the subfamily Crateninae in Facelinidae or else to the family Glaucidae. Both the subfamily and the family have validity under the online B&R taxonomy which is available to me, but I do not have access to the complete taxonomy in order to decide which group Cratena actually falls under.
It (presumably) can't be in both groups. Because the Wiki entry on Facelinidae references B&R, I have left my detailed taxonomy of Cratena capensis (which we call the orange-eyed nudibranch) as belonging to Crateninae, but I would much prefer it if Cratena had a unique home and didn't straddle two different families.
I am mailing you on this because I see you were the originator of the Facelinidae page and I hoped you'd perhaps have some ideas on how to resolve the problem. Any thoughts? By way of calling for all possible help, I have also asked Invertzoo, since she seems to have lots of experience in project Gastropods, and left messages on both relevant pages, so hopefully this will resolve quickly.
What? Huh? Cratena who? Facelinidae? I can classify them as either gastropods or cities in Greece. Better check with Invertzoo. She enjoys both snails and travel. --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:06, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. It is plain to me: both "Lake X" and "X Lake" are needed. I think it is a mistake to rename places for the sake of Wikiharmony. I've spoken with a dozen or so people here on Hainan island, both foreign and Chinese, and they unanimously agree. They think it is absurd that the article is now named Mount Wuzhi. I doubt there is one person on this island who would refer to it as Mount Wuzhi. It is just plain wrong. I didn't want to make waves, so I dropped the matter. But really, can we change it back to the correct "Wuzhi Mountain"? Regards, --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:21, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Well, I also like harmonious layout a bit, e.g. in a List of lakes in China it helps to either read and sort the table. @ Wuzhi Shan: If the whole world outside Hainan calls it Mount Wuzhi, then the decision solely based on what is used more, would lead to another result. Only using local usage on the other hand might also lead to strange results. What if half the local pop uses one way the other half the other way? But for me, more interesting than discussing that is to learn about local usage in Hainan / China for lakes. At Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese)#X Lake some .cn results for Aibi Lake vs Lake Aibi are cited. Mabye you can add to the discussion something about locally used names for lakes? You say "Lake X" is needed? TrueColour (talk) 22:00, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I think that the name that is used locally "is" the right name for the article. Harmony is important. Getting the name right is more important. If you want to know how to pronounce Tanzania, ask people in Tanzania. There are two ways. The way the world says it and the way Tanzanians say it. The latter is correct. It's their country. They should know. Encyclopedia Britannica calls it Mount Wuzhi. Trouble is, good source or not, that is the wrong name. Best, --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:12, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Since the Chinese seem to avoid jumping between X Lake and Lake X from one water body to the next, harmony exists in real world and only Wikipedia needs to mirror it. Britannicas version has only 700 hits in google, Wuzhan Mountain has 12000. I started Place names in China if you could add pinyin and Chinese to the valley and beach rows and maybe also to others that would improve the table. TrueColour (talk) 23:44, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
The Chinese seem to be quite consistent in their usage of English. "They have the beauty". They do not use X Lake in Beijing and Lake X in Shandong. Only Wikipedia has the inconsistency. Truth and consistency contain beauty. Wikipedia can contain more beauty. TrueColour (talk) 01:19, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Re: Move
It is TrueColour who firstly moved a lot of "Mount X" to "X Mountain". I just reverted those moves. And it is TrueColour that should stop until there is consensus on the matter because the current rules of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese) are against him/her. And it is his/her actions that are unilateral. If you guys successfully change the rules, I will be pleased to follow them. I personally do not have any preference on which one should be the naming convention. Thanks. Regards. --Pengyanan (talk) 22:19, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough. I suggest that we all stop moving pages until consensus is reached. Let's discuss it over at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese) as this discussion is now spread out. Trouble is, I am still blocked most of the time from that page because of the word "Chinese" in the url. I will do my best to weigh in over there. My apologies if I have seemed rude. I didn't know TrueColour had moved pages too. In any event, let's all mellow out and figure out how to proceed. Much respect to you, --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:45, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Anna, see move request at Talk:Mount Wuzhi. I lost my patience. This all takes to long. JWB, me and you are the only people in the discussion, the Australian dropped out. Pengyanan only reverts changes but does not take part in discussion, but says he has no opinion on the matter as long as we settle. We settled. So let's clean it up - now! TrueColour (talk) 01:11, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Fine with me. I can't speak for other specific cases, but I do have an opinion on Wuzhi Mountain. To reiterate my position: Try to stick to Lake X and Mount X unless it is clear that it is wrong and never called that. Blanket article renaming results in factual errors. I will be thrilled when this whole discussion is over. Thanks for your efforts in trying to settle this matter. I have added my support on Talk:Mount Wuzhi. Cheers to you! --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:19, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Oh, never seen this. Why Lake X and Mount X. Why opposing X Lake and X Mountain? E.g. CN government uses X Lake. So the default should be X Lake, not Lake X. Same for mountain. TrueColour (talk) 01:22, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm not opposing anything. As far as I'm concerned, don't change anything to suit Wikipedia. Everything should be as it is actually named. By that I mean, if I were standing there talking to a person who owned a house on the mountain or by the lake, the article should be exactly the name that comes out of that person's mouth. I thought you folks want to change a bunch of article names that can go either way for the sake of convention.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:40, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
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