Template:Did you know nominations/Abortion in Kyrgyzstan
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The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Launchballer talk 13:17, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
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Abortion in Kyrgyzstan
- ... that although abortion in Kyrgyzstan is legal, many women refuse to go through with it as it is considered haram in Islamic law?
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Created by PhoenixCaelestis (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
-Emily (PhoenixCaelestis) (talk) 15:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
- @PhoenixCaelestis:
The article looks good. No copyvios. QPQ not needed. Hook is interesting. I would add a link to haram. In the sources I was unable to find the part that said that it is haram, and that women refuse to do it for this reason. I see that part about that woman in Osh, but the source doesn't say the "haram" bit. Could you provide one that does say "haram" please? ―Panamitsu (talk) 05:14, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Panamitsu: I've added a link to haram, and here's a source for the part on whether or not abortion is haram. It is from the Australian National Imams Council, an organization of mosque leaders.
https://www.anic.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/THE-ISLAMIC-POSITION-ON-ABORTION.pdf
―PhoenixCaelestis (talk) 07:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- @PhoenixCaelestis: Thank you for working on this article. The source you suggest states the formal position as haram, but I do not see information in the article or the source you added to support the statement "that women refuse to do it for this reason". You need statistics if you want to support this claim. The only case mentioned is one woman doctor who says that she is now afraid to counsel people about abortion. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:18, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Mary Mark Ockerbloom: I've added two more sources to the article to back the claim, and I will provide them here as well.
https://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/Review/responses/KYRGYZSTAN-English.pdf https://europe.ippf.org/blogs/kyrgyzstans-cocktail-conservatism-and-apathy-bitter-draught-women
-Emily (PhoenixCaelestis) (talk) 13:05, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- @PhoenixCaelestis: The new sources generally talk about culture and issues in medical care for women, but I don't see that either one clearly presents either a claim or evidence that many women refuse to go through with abortion because it is considered haram. One source even comments (without data?) that women may be more likely to get abortions because contraception is costly. The sources are also not very current. I'm not trying to be difficult here, but I think you'll need to either rephrase the hook or find more explicit sources that clearly support what you state. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 17:02, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- The hook is very unlikely to be true. In addition to what Mary Mark Ockerbloom wrote, I should also note that the claim that abortion is haram is in itself either misleading or outright incorrect, as explained by Islam and abortion. Each of the four Sunni schools considers abortion permitted but under different circumstances, and the dominant school in Kyrgyzstan is the one that is most permitting regarding abortion. Surtsicna (talk) 23:12, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- @PhoenixCaelestis: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 15:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- How about something like "...that although abortion in Kyrgyzstan is legal, it faces significant challenges in the public view?" It might be a little awkwardly worded, but I think it fits the evidence I have best. If you all still have problems or suggestions please just let me know. -Emily (PhoenixCaelestis) (talk) 14:07, 24 November 2024 (UTC).
- Isn't that rather common even in some countries where abortion is legal? Even where it is legal, there is often a stigma around it. I don't see how that's limited to Kyrgyzstan. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- @PhoenixCaelestis: Per my above comment, this probably needs a completely different angle. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't that rather common even in some countries where abortion is legal? Even where it is legal, there is often a stigma around it. I don't see how that's limited to Kyrgyzstan. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Given issues with the article and the hooks proposed, as well as the nominator not responding to the above request to propose a new hook despite a ping, marking for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
