Talk:Wolvesey Palace

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 23:36, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that the 17th-century Wolvesey Palace reuses a 15th-century chapel from Wolvesey Castle built on 12th-century remains? Source: "The Chapel [...] was built c.1442-7 on Norman foundations." - Kipling and Scott-Joynt, Wolvesey and the Collection of Episcopal Portraits; "The new residence begun for Bishop Morley (1662-84) [...] the medieval chapel, which Fitch retained [...] raised up on the infilled remains of a C12 lower room" - Pesvner Architectural Guide.
  • ALT1: ... that George Morley tried to renovate Wolvesey Castle, including by cleaning the moat, before deciding to build Wolvesey Palace? Source: "In the C17 Bishop George Morley carried out extensive work in cleaning the moat, wainscoting the dining room, building a muniment house and refurbishing the chapel. [...] Near the end of his episcopate, Bishop Morley (1662-84) took the decision to replace the medieval palace with a new residence in the Baroque style immediately to the south." - [1]
  • ALT2: ... that the wool house of Wolvesey Castle was converted to the coach house and stables of Wolvesey Palace? Source: "Bishop Sir Jonathan Trawley (1707-21) converted the great wool house into a coach house and stables" - [2]
  • Reviewed: N/A
  • Comment: This is my second DYK nomination.

Created by Godtres (talk). Self-nominated at 10:12, 3 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Wolvesey Palace; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

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QPQ: None required.

Overall: Article was created as a redirect in 2011, then Godtres created the article on March 2, 2024. There are some questions regarding specific dates, as well as discussion regarding the remains noted above. Otherwise, I think this is looking good. Concerns regarding the draft have been addressed. I'm accepting ALT0b (below) Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 16:51, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

@Significa liberdade: Thank you so much for taking the time to review this nomination and the article itself. All your suggestions have been helpful, although I have made a few further edits. I've hopefully reworded the article to be clearer on the 12th-century remains. The buildings before the 12th century were not stone, so have been entirely destroyed. There was a chapel built in the 12th century (one of the first stone buildings). A new chapel was built in the 15th century on its remains, which survives. The rest of the palace was not built on 12th century remains. I worry with ALT1 that it is more relevant to Wolvesey Castle than Wolvesey Palace, which is the article I am nominating. Godtres (talk) 17:10, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

@Significa liberdade: I think I messed up the previous ping by not doing it in the same edit as my signature... trying again. Godtres (talk) 16:19, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for that clarification, @Godtres:! I think the article is clearer now. If you're interested in focusing on ALT0, I'm curious if you can find another way to phrase it. When I hear "remains", I tend to think of "human remains", which is inaccurate. Maybe you could say, "built on the 12th-century remains of a medieval bishop's palace"? Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 18:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Significa liberdade: That's a good point. Thanks. Maybe:

• ALT0a: "... that the 17th-century Wolvesey Palace reuses Wolvesey Castle's 15th-century chapel built on the remains of a 12th-century building?"

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• ALT0b: "... that the 17th-century Wolvesey Palace reuses a 15th-century chapel built on the remains of a 12th-century room from Wolvesey Castle?"

or a variant thereof. Godtres (talk) 19:20, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Godtres: This is much clearer! I'm accepting ALT0b. :) Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 19:40, 8 April 2024 (UTC)