Talk:Theatre of the Golden Bough

S. J. Clarke Publishing

@Left guide: I reverted an deletion you made based on the text is from a self published company. However, see WP:SELFPUBLISH - Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established subject-matter expert, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications. For example, in 1924, S.J. Clarke announced the publication of History of Monterey and Santa Cruz Counties, California here. An advisory board to prepare the materia included notable figures including Supeior Judge J. A. Bardin of Salinas. If you do a search on Wikipedia you will find 2,313 articles with S. J. Clarke Publishing as a source. Greg Henderson (talk) 05:52, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough, thanks for explaining. Left guide (talk) 11:37, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request - add image

Directly under the History section, add the following file: File:Theatre of the Golden Bough on Ocean Avenue.jpg

• Note this is an early image of the Theatre of the Golden Bough, that provides clarity as to what the theatre looked like at the time when it was first built.

Thanks, Greg Henderson (talk) 22:31, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done Toadette ^{(Let's discuss together!)} 17:56, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks - is it possible for you to move it to the left side by using this statement: File:Theatre of the Golden Bough on Ocean Avenue.jpg|thumb|left|Theatre of the Golden Bough in 1925? Greg Henderson (talk) 18:01, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request - Adding sentence about school

• Under the History section, after the sentence: "At the operning night, actress Ellen Van Volkenburg had the title-role in Maurice Browne's play, The Mother of Gregory, which played June 6, 7, and 14."
  • Add the following sentence with citation:
  • "The play was followed by a nine-week drama school."

References

Greg Henderson (talk) 00:16, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done --Ferien (talk) 22:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Orphaned Article

Redirecting this article to the Kuster article doesn't make sense. The Golden Bough has its own history, with many artists, plays, concerts, etc. This article should be left intact and allowed to grow, and the Kuster article should just have Kuster info.

Also - before deleting an entire article, shouldn't this be discussed here at talk?user:smatprt

Paid editing accusation

I see this notice has been placed: This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. (October 2024)

As the subject of the accusation, should this be discussed here? I am not and have never been a paid editor, nor am I paid to contribute to any articles whatsoever. Also - what is the offending passage or passages? Where is there a conflict of interest related edit, even broadly interpreted? Thanks! Smatprt (talk) 21:23, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

I suggest continuing discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#User:Smatprt_(undisclosed_paid_editing,_long_term_PR_editing) Graywalls (talk) 16:03, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

See Below. There is no COI on this article. Smatprt (talk) 23:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request

The info-box incorrectly stated the Pacific Repertory Theatre owns this historic (but no longer existing) building. Don't know who added this or why, but it was incorrect (and defies logic). The Theatre of the Golden Bough was built in 1924 and burned down in 1935. It was owned and operated by Edward Kuster. Pacific Repertory Theatre, on the other hand is a non-profit theatre created in 1983, and has never had any interest in this former property, which has long since the fire been sold to other parties. (I see the owner box was eliminated instead of replacing with the correct owner)

Note: The Theatre of the Golden Bough is separate from the Golden Bough Playhouse, which Pacific Repertory Theatre does indeed own. Again - two separate buildings with two separate (and notable) histories. (On a related note, the historic Forest Theater is a separate and third (and notable) theatre facility in Carmel.)

Specific Requests:

Add Owner: Edward Kuster

Remove Paid Editing tag from article and cease the accusations, please. Pacific Repertory Theatre, nor its employees, have anything to do with this long gone building.

Although no PAIDCOI exists, I would appreciate these edits being performed by another editor.

Thanks! Smatprt (talk) 23:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

The infobox does not state that PacRep is the owner. Let's leave owner info about Kuster to the text of the article to keep the box concise. I have removed the paid editing tag, as this theatre burned down 89 years ago, and never had anything to do with PacRep, so I think everyone should be comfortable that PacRep is not paying anyone to edit this article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Although, the history of this place or having it visible could potentially be of business interest of PRT. Do note that this occurredGraywalls (talk) 03:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank goodness that occurred! -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

I suggest restoring this redirect as done by Netherzone a while back since this building is not sufficiently notable to be worthy of its own article. Graywalls (talk) 03:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Strongly Oppose. That redirect that would destroy a notable article. Note that Netherzone has just agreed at the Pac Rep talk page, to a different and much better solution. So let's see if everyone agrees, and then I'll execute it. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, given this thread. - SchroCat (talk) 07:35, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Merging with Golden Bough Playhouse

NOTE: For historical purposes, I am copying this from the Talk:Pacific Repertory Theatre, where the merge was agreed to. -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:02, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

OK, having reviewed the two articles, I am prepared to merge Theatre of the Golden Bough with Golden Bough Playhouse. If everyone agrees, let's go to the two articles, note that we all agree on the merge, and I would be happy to do the merge. It may take me a couple of days, but if everyone is patient for a couple days (no more than 3), I'll do my best to merge them, eliminate redundancies and streamline text. Then others can review and weigh in. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:27, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

I agree that the two articles should be merged, which is what I started to do back in August before the disruption and drama began including flagrant accusations that I and others were "deleting all the Carmel articles" and similar claims like "vendettas" and such. Thank you. Netherzone (talk) 00:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

No-one has accused you of those things on this page (in fact, it doesn't look like anyone has ever used the phrase "deleting all the Carmel articles"), so let's just focus on the matters in hand on this page shall we? - SchroCat (talk) 07:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

SchroCat, I know you mean well, but I was addressing another editor. And you are incorrect, as those claims were indeed cast in relation to this specific group of articles. You may or may not be familiar with the COIN report. I'd like to help with the merge - which is the matter at hand - if it moves forward, and with that in mind, I'm simply setting a healthy boundary. Netherzone (talk) 14:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

I have no strong opinion either way. Looking at the two articles, the question comes to mind......are these articles about the facilities, or the theater operation which operated at those two facilities? Or some blending of the two? Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 01:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Both are about theatre facilities in Carmel, California, but two different sites/locations are involved. The Theatre of the Golden Bough was owned by Edward G. Kuster and burned down in 1935. The Golden Bough Playhouse was built by Kuster in 1949, burned almost immediately, and a new theatre was built in 1952. Kuster died in 1961. It is currently owned by Pacific Repertory Theatre, which purchased it from United Artists Theaters in 1994. More than one theatre company has performed at each theatre, and other organizations have also used the theatres for various activities. The purpose of the merge is to make the chronology and relationships clearer. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:43, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Please forgive the dumb / devil's advocate question, but how are two different facilities, with varying users, uses and owners the same subject? Does just having the same name alone make them so? North8000 (talk) 14:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

North8000, compare His Majesty's Theatre, London, which is a Featured article about successive theatres on the same site for an idea of how an excellent article handles this. In this case, the two are even more closely intertwined, as they were both built by the same man. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I support the merge. North8000 (talk) 13:02, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Agree with the merger of the two 'Golden Bough' articles above. - SchroCat (talk) 07:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Seems reasonable. We have dont the same for other theatre buildings, especially those in Europe, even when they were not built on the exact same site. --GentlemanGhost (séance) 09:30, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Good to merge?

I have now merged the material from here to Golden Bough Playhouse. OK to go ahead and redirect this entry to Golden Bough Playhouse? User:Netherzone, User:SchroCat, User talk:North8000, User:GentlemanGhost any comments before I do? -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:18, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the articles should be merged. Netherzone (talk) 20:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)