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I haven't seen the flag graphics prior...cute...and good content. Tvccs 18:46, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Fair use rationale for Image:Unitedstatesamericaalbum.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 02:15, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

United States of America

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Hi! I don't know if you've seen this discussion page - it sort of confirms what I remember, that "The Garden of Earthly Delights" was issued as a single in the UK. It was certainly played on radio a fair amount - unfortunately I didn't buy it because I was saving up for the LP, which I still have and treasure. Can you/we track down any confirmation that it was issued as a single? Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:13, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I'm doing some research on some off time now. I'll look into it to find for certain that it was released. Hard to find discographies on these sort of things for bands that generally only had one full LP. I'll look around though. Cheers! Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:28, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Great stuff! Is this guy Richard Durrett? Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:37, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again! thanks! I was sort of on a wiki-sugar rush with that article. Thanks for correcting my awful grammar. I don't know if that's the same one. And I've yet to find much about it's british release, as it didn't sell well in the UK. Curses. Thanks noticing! :) Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:38, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Although it's true that the album didn't sell well enough in a short time in the UK to make any charts, it certainly gained a following in "underground" circles of the time, both because "Garden.." was played on a few radio shows, but mainly because "..Wooden Wife.." was featured on this sampler album, which because it was so inexpensive and featured both highly respected and new artists became an essential purchase for a great many people (teenagers and older) at the time, and sold a lot of copies. (Apparently Byrd didn't know about this until I raised it here in discussion with another fan a couple of years ago.) I'm sure the USA album sold a fair few copies in the UK, but spread over a long period (as did, for instance, Love's Forever Changes). Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:13, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I wasn't referring specifically to the idea that people didn't like the album in the UK. I'm sure it has it's audience I was just saying to it's popularity in comparison to how it charted in the US. I haven't found citable information about singles in other countries except with an interview with Dorothy Moskowitz saying that she thinks there were some singles in other countries, which isn't really a strong enough thing to state I think...Thanks for your concern though. I'm glad you like The USA as much as I do, if not more. :) Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:00, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I notice you've changed the main sleeve illustration to the "paper bag". In the UK, that version was never issued (so far as I'm aware), and it's always been the other version (black with divided circle of photos) that the album has been known by. My opinion would be that the pictures would be better changed around, with the black/photos version as the main one by which it is known globally, and the paper bag version as a subsidiary illustration to show the original US issue - what do you think? Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Thanks for taking such an interest in the album and article. It's a good point, but considering the group is American I think the original American cover is better for historical context. The other cover should definitely be shown as well though. I kind of wanted to add it to the infobox, but I didn't want to the article to become ridiculously huge. That's just my idea on it. What do you think? Andrzejbanas (talk) 07:00, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No big deal - see if anyone else supports my opinion. But I've modified the caption, for clarity. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:17, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Good call. Thanks for being supportive on my idea about it too. Good call on editing the text. Thanks again! Andrzejbanas (talk) 07:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Cloud Song lyrics - AA Milne

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Hi, not familiar with editing Wikipedia but I believe AA Milne should be credited with the lyrics for Cloud Song — unless they’re even older than his use. Google them and I’m sure you’ll agree they’re not original in this album. Can someone let me know if they concur? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.115.160.137 (talk) 17:08, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Passed. λ NegativeMP1 16:37, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Nominator: Iostn (talk · contribs) 13:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Blueskiesdry (talk · contribs) 01:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: NegativeMP1 (talk · contribs) 02:49, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve been meaning to listen to this album. Will start the review in a couple days.

@Iostn: So it appears that the reviewer has taken... quite a while longer than a couple days. If you would like me to, I'd be willing to take over this review and probably get it done fairly quickly. Your thoughts? λ NegativeMP1 01:15, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That would be fine, although I might need to do some quick work to see if there's any extra details I could add Iostn (talk) 06:42, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, lemme know whenever you do that and I'll take a look afterwards. λ NegativeMP1 18:16, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@NegativeMP1 It should be ready now Iostn (talk) 18:52, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not even going to ask how I didn't get the notification for this, I'm sorry. I'll take a look as soon as possible. λ NegativeMP1 20:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review

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  • Lead could use some more work to give it a little more meat. I'd say start by adding a sentence or so about the background/production.
  • Is it possible to split Background into two paragraphs?
  • I think there should be a sample of one of the tracks off the album, so that it's possible to accurately understand what the music in the album sounds like. I'm pretty sure it would meet NFCC.
  • I don't really know how much the quote box helps here?
  • "The tunes are infectious, the harmonies adventurous yet eminently satisfying. And the lyrics (which Columbia has wisely printed on the jacket) are the best thing of all", wrote Barret Hansen in his 1968 review for Rolling Stone." → "In his 1968 review, Barret Hansen of Rolling Stone wrote that "the tunes are infectious, the harmonies adventurous yet eminently satisfying. And the lyrics (which Columbia has wisely printed on the jacket) are the best thing of all", wrote Barret Hansen in his 1968 review for Rolling Stone." Consistency.
  • When rewriting the article for Wake Me Up When September Ends, I found several sources from Far Out that I wasn't sure if I could use or not. I'm uncertain on the sites reliability, though if you think it is then I'd say it's fine.
  • Release history table needs sources. Sourcing the personnel and track lists would also help, even if its just citing the album itself.
  • Spotchecked sources 5, 22, and 28. All verify the text I checked for.
  • Not required, but alt text on the images would be nice.

Overall, this is a pretty well written article and I don't have too many complaints. I'll put this on hold for now to give you time to address the comments I did have. λ NegativeMP1 17:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@NegativeMP1 I've been making improvements gradually, including adding a sample and sourcing the release history. I wasn't sure how to expand the lede, but I did manage to make it slightly longer. I'm not really entirely sure what to do with the quote box, as even if it could maybe be integrated better I think providing some retrospective thoughts in the album does help with a bit of context. Re: Far Out, I don't know that much about the site itself but the author at least seems legit in terms of credits Iostn (talk) 16:51, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I brought Far Out to the WikiProject Albums talk page to see what other editor's stance on it was, and there seems to be concerns regarding it possibly being a content farm. I'd personally swap it out with another source knowing this. λ NegativeMP1 21:06, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@NegativeMP1 I haven't been as active recently due to personal reasons, but I managed to find alternate sources, at least. Iostn (talk) 22:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@NegativeMP1 don't think you got the cue last time, but its been ready for a while, and I waiting to get it over with at this point. Iostn (talk) 09:33, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Once again, I did not see this somehow. Taking a look at the article again, it seems that you've addressed my concerns, so I think this article is fine. I'm passing this, I apologize for the wait. λ NegativeMP1 16:36, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Did you know nomination

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  • ALT1: ... that the title of the 1968 album The United States of America was intended to be a political statement akin to "hanging the flag upside down"?
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: Had to find an alternate source that I could easily link to as the article uses a book source
Improved to Good Article status by Iostn (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Iostn (talk) 21:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

It would be brilliant. But add the italics and the quotation marks and it should work reasonably well on any day. Surtsicna (talk) 20:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article was promoted to GA status 5 days before the DYK nomination. It is, unsurprisingly, also long enough and it meets the sourcing, neutrality, and copyright requirements. The hooks proposed by Iostn are fine, but there is a clear potential for something much grander. See Launchballer's suggestion. We rarely get such gems in the rough, Iostn, but let me know if you cannot bother and I will approve your original hook. Surtsicna (talk) 20:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Surtsicna, I think I'm going to hang on with this nom and wait for the April Fools' proposal, if possible Iostn (talk) 15:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Iostn: While quirky, I do not think this hook fits the spirit of the type of hooks used in the April Fools DYK set. Z1720 (talk) 23:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It could in theory work as a regular quirky hook rather than an AFD hook, although the decision about that could be left to a promoter. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:54, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's a few other quotes that could be used instead, such as 'met a "mixed reception"' or something from 'wasn't half bad. Some of it was embarrassing but some of it really stood up over time'.--Launchballer 10:00, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is the status of this nomination?--Launchballer 17:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Iostn, Surtsicna, Z1720, and Narutolovehinata5: As this is a day away from time out and is taking up room at T:TDYK, I am approving ALT1 ("Guevara" isn't in the article). Any promoter at Approved is free to approve either ALT2 or move any of the following April Fools' hooks into WP:DYKAPRIL for approval:
ALT3: ... that the United States of America met a mixed reception?
ALT4: ... that the United States of America wasn't half bad?
ALT5: ... that some of the United States of America was embarrassing?
ALT6: ... that some of the United States of America really stood up over time?--Launchballer 14:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
May I suggest:
ALT7: ... people thought the United States of America "snooty, loud and obnoxious"? Iostn (talk) 21:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That hook appears to apply to the band rather than the album, otherwise good idea.--Launchballer 13:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

information Note: moved to WP:DYKAPRIL. ALTs 2&3 approved. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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