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Did you know... that German cavalry carried steel lances (examples pictured) throughout the First World War?

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I've started browsing around the topic and found this good photo. The article says that these lances were withdrawn in 1927 so what were these guys using 5 years later? As it's a nice clear photo, it would be good to fit this in somehow. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:27, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Andrew, excellent photo. Interestingly on the German Wiki areticle Lanze it has this photo and states (according to Google anyway): "In the German Reichswehr (see illustration above) the lance was not abolished until 1927". I think it must be a dating error, the Bundesarchiv images were uploaded en-masse and I have seen similar errors before. I've also found this one dated 1928 (or possibly 1927) subtitled "Farewell to the lance", which supports the out of service date - Dumelow (talk) 18:53, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the Bundesarchiv source page it gives "1932 approx." so they probably don't know the actual date it was taken. I've added both to the gallery - Dumelow (talk) 18:56, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Glad you could use it and the other photo looks good too. I've not got much further, having been sidetracked by the book, German Influence on British Cavalry (1911) by Erskine Childers, who was not a fan of the arme blanche. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:05, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've added the farewell photo to the gallery as it seems appropriate and, on my monitor, fills it out nicely. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:27, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 16:24, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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German cavalry with the lance

... that German cavalry carried a steel lance (example pictured) throughout the First World War? "it was this Model 1893 lance which was used by all German cavalry that were not redeployed as infantry during World War I and, from 1915 when swords were beginning to be withdrawn from field use, became these troops' only weapon of mounted shock action" from: Larsen, Alan; Yallop, Henry (21 November 2017). The Cavalry Lance. Bloomsbury USA. p. 12. ISBN 978-1-4728-1618-4.
- ALT1:... that German cavalry retained use of the lance (example pictured) until 1927? "The German Reichswehr's cavalry regiments carried lances until 1927" from: Bradford, James C. (1 December 2004). International Encyclopedia of Military History. Routledge. p. 2315. ISBN 978-1-135-95033-0.

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Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 06:46, 23 September 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Reviewing DTM (talk) 08:26, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Overall: Just one image licensing related query. Is commons:File:Eskadron der Reichswehr 1928.jpg in the public domain in the US as well? And if it isn't then can it be used in the article? DTM (talk) 09:04, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DTM, no idea. I've removed it from the article for now - Dumelow (talk) 09:17, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

gtg DTM (talk) 01:41, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Tassel or loop?

The article says the lance had "a leather tassel that was used to carry the lance". Is ''tassel'' the right word? I think they had a leather loop that was worn around the upper right arm. With the loop around the arm and the base of the lance in the cup at the right stirrup, this left the right hand relatively free. Indefatigable (talk) 19:20, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Indefatigable, a loop makes more sense to me, but I couldn't find much in the sources. The tassel wording comes from Kruszyński, published in English, but I guess it could be a poor translation. He says a little on its use in combat on p111: "In a mounted tactical formation, the lance's tassel was put across the right arm". Maybe it is discussed more in German sources, but regrettably I cannot read German - Dumelow (talk) 20:47, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerhard Wanner

The standardwork on the Stahrohrlanze is: Gerhard WANNER. Die deutsche Stahlrohrlanze. Reutlingen (Steinach-Verlag), 2005. 34 p.

The lance of the Royal Armouries (VII.1647) could be made of parts of two (damaged) weapons, one of the 5th Hussars and one of the 6th Hussars. This could explain the fact that the lance is not 3,20 m long.

There is also a Facebookgroup: The Stahlrohrlanze.

By decree of October 3, 1927, the lance disappeared from the armament of the cavalry. Despite this, she was refed on many occasions and events. Amon Tsmeacrev (talk) 21:17, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]