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really first rap song in the world

is "Here Comes The Judge" by Pigmeat Markham --Inworms (talk) 17:58, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Quote

Do we really need the quote from Cory Doctorow? It adds nothing to the entry, and in fact simply repeats what is said in the previous sentence? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.193.88.167 (talk) 4 January 2010

Accents

On the Discogs pages (for example this one, the title of the song has accents on some of the letters. Should these be added to the title in the article? JaffaCakeLover (talk) 22:00, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

It might be helpful to specify the pronunciation of the song (Preez-en-colin-en-sin-en-cyew-zole). Could someone who can write in phonetics add that? 70.36.139.219 (talk) 20:56, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

From what you wrote, it's something like [ prizɛnkɔlɪnsɪnɛnkjuzoʊl ]. I'm not sure where the stresses are if that's important. Otherwise, someone could just post that. --65.34.193.54 (talk) 01:11, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well someone ought to put an external link to the video at Youtube, found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZXcRqFmFa8. In the beginning, it actually says "Prisencol..." or whatever, so maybe someone could write an IPA pronunciation for that. IOA94 (talk) 17:12, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Literally "Pure" Gibberish?

Was it actually "pure" gibberish? How can we know that it was actually anything close to "pure" gibberish? 182.239.147.250 (talk) 17:23, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You're right - it isn't "pure" gibberish. It was actually modelled after English, in order to illustrate TO English speakers what English sounds like to native Italians who don't know it. It's quite an interesting piece of work. IOA94 (talk) 23:28, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is a caricature of what English sounds like; it was not “modelled” after English. There's a big difference and it's noticeable. mcornelius (talk) 14:48, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Prison-call-in-ensign-ine-choose-all" - It's really pure Gibberish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.107.162.161 (talk) 15:09, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Was this before or after rap?

Did it precede rap music or was it a parody of rap music? -- megA (talk) 00:14, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think the release date of 1972 should tell you something. 128.61.29.113 (talk) 20:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

First rap song

Therefore, this should be recognized as the first rap song.Dogru144 (talk) 03:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The first rap may be "meykhana" --2001:A98:C060:80:E9CE:6C12:2BD7:618A (talk) 11:12, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dylan?

Do sources actually claim it is intended to sound like Bob Dylan? It doesn't. While the songwriter himself makes it clear it's meant to sound in general like all the American music he was listening to, the actual result is much more similar to Jim Morrison of the Doors, and even the only real-English material in the song, occasional repetition of "alright", is clearly borrowed from Morrison's own use of it, right down to his intonation and semi-Southern accent (Morrison was from Florida, but began shifting toward a California sound except when doing blues-rock material, like "Roadhouse Blues", which prominently features some of this "alright", especially in live recordings). Anyway, I would think that by now other material written about this piece of music would be making more connections like this, not just "sounds like Dylan". The only Dylan resemblance, aside from maybe an over-reliance on the z sound, is that half the time it's hard to understand what Dylan was saying either, due to his mumbling. PS: If you have not heard the track yet (via YouTube or otherwise), I cannot recommend playing it more than once, at least not without a very substantial time between listens/viewings. I found that it badly earwormed me for quite some time, and years later I can't entirely shake it (especially the TV version with the choreography; it kind of eyewormed me, too, and I only watched it twice. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 05:32, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can't speak to the actual sound, but people do seem to compare the style to Dylan. I've added a The Guardian source to the article that states it was designed to be "Dylanesuqe". Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 14:50, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Added sample audio clip

I have added a short sample audio clip to this article. I believe this significantly enhances the viewer's experience, because they can directly listen to the "English-like unintelligible gibberish" that Celentano was going for. It is one thing to read about how it might sound. Actually hearing the phrases for yourself is something else.

I have left my rationale on the audio file talk page. I have clipped only 10% of the original length, and reduced the quality settings in Audacity to 0, per WP:SAMPLE.

Feedback is welcome. What do you think? --Culix (talk) 02:57, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not gibberish

Prison calling ensinain(???) choose all
In the call men seven
Prison calling ensinain(???) choose all all right
We’re the same choose men
Op(???) the same all what men
In the colobos(???) die/day?
Trr...
Chuck is a mind begin[ning] the call
Baby stay ye(???) push yo oh
We’re the same choose men
In the colobos(???) die/day? I am a Green Bee (talk) 13:29, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

When we stain the shoes and I'll hold build the scene in the whole red maybe get colored boss diet

bbbbbbllllll

I changed my mind, I'm gettin' cold baby just stay yeah blue Joe Oh

When we stain the shoes and I'll hold build the scene in the whole red maybe get colored boss diet

when it's the same it ain't you that can't be seen

you never jump enough to judge a call Dave is a jam

You'd become enough to choose an old pipe for not to show the whole hoe but this again a lot of corn but no time

Oh the difference is Stan light the shoes but go with main give the coast to the man a cult afraid of girls

hold something

buy ice, buy says they and it doesn't go with basil

ice

you the cold maze, the sane one pleasin' calling it's an eye chew saul

all rye!

I eyes, mine sense lit

any goats shold go with basil

ice

pleasin' calling it's an eye chew saul

all rye!

well that's enough sleeping and uh keeping the scene to land a choosy hump and dump ho uncontained let's please and go

we be seeing in the sand let my shoes become a band there's just too many cars but not for one to drive, just eight

I ice my chance let Eddie Hill's son go up please son

ice

you the cold maze, the sane one pleasin' calling it's an eye chew saul

all rye!

you'd day sheet Id Bill Ziggy get outta my dough there's beaver there, that she's like "beatin' me old"

by ice, buy says they and it doesn't go with pizza

eyes

you the cold maze, the sane one pleasin' calling it's an eye chew saul

all rye!

you'd day sheet Id Bill Ziggy get outta my dough there's beaver there, that she's like "beatin' me old"

this video nails it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpFhFV58FEs Dlabtot (talk) 20:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

so definitely not gibberish, but nonsense. However the way he sings it makes is sound like gibberish. Unfortunately, all the reliable sources describe it as gibberish, so I'm unable to edit the article to state the he is, in fact, singing English words Dlabtot (talk) 20:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

problem: the song was made with the specific intention of being gibberish that kind of sounds like that stuff the burger guys say, with the exception of one (1) word. see citations 8 and 9 as of writing this. any interpretations of the lyrics are really just that: interpretations. those count as original research, which should generally be avoided cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:39, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's what the sources say, but they are wrong. Of course, we can't edit the article based on anything other than reliable sources, so it will have to stand as it is. But try singing along with the song based on the 'official lyrics' and you'll get nowhere. However you can easily sing along with the lyrics I posted. This is actually part of the joke. It's supposed to sound like gibberish so he published gibberish lyrics that don't actually sound anything like what he's singing. Very meta for the time.

This is one of those rare cases where Wikipedia's reliable sources policy means that the article just has to be wrong, because the reliable sources are wrong. Dlabtot (talk) 21:18, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

it's gibberish

those are interpretations of gibberish

it sounds like words, and it is a word in one instance, but it's gibberish

it was made with the intent of being gibberish

adriano himself said it's meant to be gibberish that sounds like things (see citation 6)

really, you're the first person i've seen actually treating those interpretations of a grammelot as canon to reality, and i don't wanna have to make the same reservations for phantomilian, the monster hunter language, or spamton cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 23:21, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but if the sources are wrong, how do we know that? If there some source that confirms that he deliberately wrote it using English words, instead of English-sounding gibberish, we should definitely include that in the article. — HTGS (talk) 00:00, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no such source (I looked), which is why I haven't made any edits to the article. How do I know that he is singing words instead of just gibberish? By listening carefully to the song. He is clearly singing all the words I posted above. If a reliable source says something that I know to be untrue, I don't have to believe the source instead of reality. But that is original research so it can't be the basis of an edit to the article. Reliable sources can be wrong and multiple reliable source often share the same common root source. Dlabtot (talk) 00:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the nicest way i can put the following argument is

citation 6, an interview featuring adriano, disagrees with you

headcanons are no more valid on wikipedia than conspiracy theories, regardless of whether or not they're presented as reality

if those lyrics were intended, maybe a reliable source would have picked up on it by now cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 00:45, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of course the citation disagrees with me: that was exactly my point. lol Dlabtot (talk) 01:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

...the composer said he wrote gibberish

and you're implying that he was lying? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 01:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bog rumble slapstick comes around grapeshot to Benny's toe jam. That 'phrase' could be described as gibberish, especially by a non-native English speaker, however, they are all perfectly valid English words. No, I'm not implying that he was lying, I am stating that he was joking, as the whole endeavor clearly is a joke. And I think he was also laughing inside at those too obtuse to get the joke. Dlabtot (talk) 01:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ignoring the fact that you just called people who didn't get a joke that everyone including the guy allegedly making it said wasn't made "obtuse" and that last line not being properly removed (watch your colons, kids), "x is clearly y" is as good a source as "trust me bro" or "i was told in a dream", and assuming that he was laughing inside won't really help cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

“How do I know that he is singing words instead of just gibberish? By listening carefully to the song.” I think it’s most likely that we, as native English speakers, are hearing words where there are no words there. We do the same thing with songs already in English, so it seems probable we would do the same here. — HTGS (talk) 02:21, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"however the lyrics are deliberately unintelligible gibberish with the exception of the words "all right""

Should there be some additional clarification in this sentence or a note reference given? Because, even if the linked references state this, it isn't accurate toward any lyric listing I can find. They don't say "all right" in the song, they say "ol rait". Silver seren^C 06:38, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the references state this. The Guardian source doesn't, and the snippet I can in Google Books from Rob Kroes doesn't say it either. "All right" was added in 2011 by an IP. I think "all right/ol rait" is gibberish too. The thing is, "all right" is a semantically weak affirmation that English speakers would see as an appropriate response to gibberish (along with other weak affirmations such as "yeah" or "uh-huh"), so interpreting the sounds as "all right" makes sense in the context of English sounding gibberish, but it's still gibberish. Plantdrew (talk) 03:05, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]