Talk:Prince Peter August of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

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On 24 November 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Prince Pedro Augusto of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza to Prince Peter August of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. The result of the discussion was moved.

Renaming to Pedro Augusto, Prince of Brazil

First of all, he is not a German Prince. By the orders of the Brazilian Parliament, Princess Leopoldina gave birth to both him and to his second brother, Dom Augusto Leopoldo, in Brazil, as they were the heirs to the Imperial Throne until the birth of Dom Pedro de Alcântara de Orléans e Bragança, Prince of Grão Pará, in the 1870's. This makes him a Brazilian prince, despite his father and younger brothers' nationality. In addition to this, he was baptized as Saxe-Coburgo e Bragança, not Saxe-Coburg-Kohary, and lived his entire life until 1889 in Brazil and actually considered himself as the next successor of Pedro II.

Now that we have established this, his page should follow the standard set by the other pages of Brazilian princes, i.e. ((Portuguese name), Prince of Brazil), which makes it: Pedro Augusto, Prince of Brazil. (ByzantineCaesar (talk) 02:07, 8 October 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Inclusion in the list of Brazilian Princes

Why is Prince Peter August, or Dom Pedro Augusto as he is known in Brazil, not included in the list of Brazilian Princes? He is a descendant of Pedro I born in the Empire of Brazil, and under the Constitution of the Empire he was a both a Brazilian national (having been born in Brazil) and a Brazilian Prince (as a descendant of Pedro I who was not a foreigner). His birth as a Prince of the Empire of Brazil was even formally communicated to the General Assembly by the Ministry of the Empire, and he had his place in the line of succession: after Princess Imperial Isabel, her descendants, and his own mother, Princess Leopoldina of Brazil. After Princess Leopoldina's death, he became the first in line after Princess Isabel and her descendants. Prince Pedro Augusto was born in Rio de Janeiro as a grandson of the monarch (Emperor Dom Pedro II), and was the son of a Brazilian Princess, Dona Leopoldina. Surely he and his brothers born in Brazil need to be included in the list of Brazilian Princes, and the said list needs to be included at the bottom part of the present article.189.122.100.112 (talk) 19:26, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Prince of Koháry

See Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2013 July 13#Fürst Koháry.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 18:12, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Citations

I wouldn't even begin to know how to cite this article's references correctly as they are so unclear. Perhaps there is someone who knows where they came from who can tidy up the refs? ScarletRibbons (talk) 15:40, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

language problems

There are massive problems with the language. It seems that almost the entire article has been translated from Portugese (probably Portuguese Wikipedia??). As has been noted above, the references/footnotes seem to have been lost, only surviving as rogue and meaningless numbers in the text. There are also occasional fragments of Portuguese phrases, and phantom words that do not seem to belong anywhere. And there are plenty of flawed translations. These problems are at their worst when it comes to the direct quotations.

I went over the "Biography" section and tried to iron out the worst language troubles. It is not "encyclopaedic" for now, only plain English, but that is the first necessary step. There may be occasions where my corrections have removed the content further from the Portuguese original than acceptable, but that was a risk I had to take (not speaking Portuguese myself). But since I felt not comfortable meddling in the direct quotations, I removed all but two of them. None of them were really needed, and in all cases the translation distorted the language to such a degree that they made no sense any more.

I left most of the rogue numbers, phantom words, and fragmented Portuguese bits in square brackets right where I found them. That way, someone who speaks Portuguese may be able to compare the references in the Portuguese Wikipedia with the rogue numbers here and see if some references are a match and can be transferred here.

Otto von B. (talk) 14:52, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 November 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prince Pedro Augusto of Saxe-Coburg and Braganza → Prince Peter August of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha – Consistency with his three brothers, Prince August Leopold of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Prince Joseph Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, and Prince Ludwig Gaston of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. This article was recently moved to the current title on the basis of "common name",[1] but none of the authority control links[2][3][4][5][6][7] use this name, indicating that it is not the common name. Per WP:RMUM, since there was previous discussion of the article title (in 2012), it should not have been moved unilaterally. DrKay (talk) 15:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONSISTENT. Keivan.f^Talk 16:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. 2601:249:9301:D570:A8A8:37AC:EDA4:AB1 (talk) 16:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, Pedro Augusto is used more commonly than Peter August. And I'm generally not a fan of using "English names" just because when they're not actually used more in English literature.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I get the reverting of the Saxe-Coburg and Braganza part. But this should have been moved back to Prince Pedro Augusto of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. Pedro Augusto is more common than Peter August to refer to him. 2600:6C50:4DF0:8950:90E8:7883:8D72:F94B (talk) 04:53, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, his Portuguese names are far more relevant than his German names, despite his German dynastic position. He was born and raised and lived the first half of his life in Brazil and only left following his exile and the advent of the republic. And to his death, his primary concern was the Brazilian succession, not the Saxe-Coburg one. Cristiano Tomás (talk) 17:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]