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A fact from Peale's Philadelphia Museum appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 6 June 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that exhibits at Peale's Philadelphia Museum included the first nearly complete skeleton of a mastodon (sketch pictured)?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/June. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Peale's Philadelphia Museum.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 01:56, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Exhumation of the Mastadon

~~... that exhibits at Peale's Philadelphia Museum included the first known skeleton of a mastodon (excavation pictured)?~~ Source: Semonin, Paul (2000). American Monster: How the Nation's First Prehistoric Creature Became a Symbol of National Identity. NYU Press. p. 5 "Charles Willson Peale and his son Rembrandt excavated the first complete skeleton of the American incognitum, or mastodon" "when the mounted skeleton was placed in their Philadelphia Museum for public viewing".
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Roy Field

Created by TSventon (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

TSventon (talk) 21:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Review:

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I don't see anything in the guidelines about QPQs needing to be done recently, but this one was done in 2021 and hasn't been used as a QPQ by the nominator before. If that's okay, then this nom is good to go. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:15, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Voorts, thank you for the review, I tried to do a few QPQs before I needed them and they have got rather old. Fortunately WP:QPQ says QPQs do not expire and may be used at any time for a future DYK nomination. TSventon (talk) 00:09, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Voorts and TSventon: I cannot confirm in any sources that this was the first known skeleton. Maybe first "complete" can be investigated if sources support? I do see a source for "Peale eventually founded the first natural history museum in the United States". But I do not know about the reliability of the source (czasopisma) - that can be investigated for a hook idea, or you can introduce a different hook. Bruxton (talk) 15:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Voorts and Bruxton: I was trying to put the hook in my own words and overdid the paraphrasing. When Semonin says the skeleton was complete I think he meant almost complete so I have reworded the article and the hook. Peale's museum as "the first natural history museum in the United States" is arguable, but would need more work. This argued it was not.

Alt1 ... that exhibits at Peale's Philadelphia Museum included the first nearly complete skeleton of a mastodon (excavation pictured)? Source: Mysteries of the First Mastodon https://americanart.si.edu/blog/mysteries-first-mastodon-conservators-perspective

TSventon (talk) 23:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. It is difficult to find the hook because it is not explicit in the article. I did find the two parts to the hook in The Peale Mastodon section so ALT1 works. Bruxton (talk) 14:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The hook is explicit but unreferenced in the lead, I could add a reference to the Smithsonian article there if that made things clearer. In the body one of the sentences was not immediately followed by a reference, so I fixed that.

By the way, on the first museum, I have seen things like the first successful public museum of natural history, but that would need to be discussed in the article and is not particularly hooky. TSventon (talk) 14:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Related museums

I have linked all mentions of the museum I found. Some related museums are

Peale Museum, Baltimore, has its own article
Peale Museum, New York City‎ is currently a redirect to Rubens Peale
Chinese Museum (Philadelphia) currently a redirect to Nathan Dunn, shared a building with the Philadelphia Museum in 1838 and gave its name to the building
Peale Museum Company in 1841, mentioned in Barnum's American Museum, is presumably one of the three Peale Museums
Peale’s Museum in Troy, New York, in 1852, mentioned in George C. Howard, may be unrelated

TSventon (talk) 15:36, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]