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Misleading

During the Reconstruction era, black people slowly gained some of the constitutional rights of which they were deprived during slavery. Although they would not secure "full" constitutional equality for another century until after passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965, reconstruction promised African Americans legal equality for the first time. Abolishing slavery did not abolish racism. During Reconstruction whites tried to enforce white supremacy, in part through the rise of Ku Klux Klan chapters, rifle clubs and later paramilitary insurgent groups such as the Red Shirts.

"During Reconstruction whites tried to enforce white supremacy."

This is misleading information. Not all whites were involved with the oppression of black people. In fact only small groups were guilty of oppression. Remember Democrats promoted slavery and Democrats opposed ending slavery. This article clearly places blame and threat of harm on all white people. Be more specific with the history you present. 2601:245:4680:1836:7969:2C14:16B7:22B2 (talk) 23:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Passing is not a global phenomenon

Passing is a phenomenon unique to American history, particularly the Transatlantic Slave Trade in the United States of America. Many examples provided in this article are instances of racial or ethnic misrepresentation. Blackfishing, Pretendians, racial misrepresentation, or ethnic representation and, their subsequent examples need their own pages. Sociology In Action (talk) 05:52, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you on the Blackfishing and Pretendians topic. I don't think these are examples of passing at all, and I don't think they should be on this page - there's already a Pretendians page and a page for Racial misrepresentation where these examples fit much better. Whynotlolol (talk) 15:07, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Concern that article overlaps

The section on Passing as Indigenous Americans seems to me to overlap with the article Racial misrepresentation, given that the majority of people included in this section are clearly misrepresenting their ethnicity, rather than passing as another for their own safety. I would argue that this is not a case of 'passing', but active fraud designed to achieve wealth or notoriety. 'Passing' as a concept necessitates that the person claiming to be of another race is doing so due to discrimination and oppression. This is made clear in the article's header.

The examples enumerated in the sections Passing as Indigenous American are already covered in the Pretendians page. I don't believe they should also be included here, as none of them are passing, and all are fradulent. I would argue that this section should be removed as it is antithetical to the concept of passing, as detailed above.

Would welcome thoughts on this. Whynotlolol (talk) 15:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]