Talk:Nun danket all und bringet Ehr

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A fact from Nun danket all und bringet Ehr appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 4 June 2018 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Paul Gerhardt's song of thanks and praise "Nun danket all und bringet Ehr" was first published along with 17 of his other hymns in 1647, during the Thirty Years' War?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2018/June. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nun danket all und bringet Ehr.

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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 16:10, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

There's a Category:Hymns by century super-category, any use in popping a suitable one of those on this article?
thank you, added --GA
Given that a lot of the article is the text of the hymn, I think one para in the lead would be suitable rather than the two short paras you currently have.
let me first see if it will grow --GA
It hasn't. You have a single-sentence para, and a two-sentence para. Merge! The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 16:06, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Wisdom of Sirach 50:22–24, " I think I'd prefer "Wisdom of Sirach (ch 50:22–24)" because I, for one, have never heard of that chapter.
you mean "of that book"? - any way to still have the normal display, without brackets and "ch"? --GA
"music was an image of divine bliss" if this is a quote, quote it, if it's not, it doesn't seem particularly neutral.
I added the German quote, and changed divine to heavenly (himmlisch). --GA
"The hymn was sung to conclude..." avoid single-sentence paras.
I hear you, but this is not connected in any way to what comes before nor after. --GA
Consider linking hymnal.
Well, done, but really? --GA
Yep, I have literally never said the word "hymnal" in my entire life. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 16:06, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Is it conventional to replicate all the text of the whole hymn in such articles? Especially considering this is English language Wikipedia and that's a whole bunch of old German which is basically inaccessible to all but a few of our readers...
It is so in many I know, and the more often a hymn gets sung, the more so. Compare "Now Thank We All Our God". --GA
If so, there's an almighty amount of white space now, would you consider dividing it into columns?
Let me first look for a translation. --GA

I found something for some stanzas, [1], will apply after rehearsal or tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'll wait! The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 16:06, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Added what found (1-2-3-6-8) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Johann Crüger published the hymn in the (lost) 1647 edition of his hymnal Praxis pietatis melica, " you said that already, but this is the first time I recall you saying the 1647 edition was (lost).
I say it now the first time, and drop the second, hoping people will remember. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:56, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's pure ignorance, but I'm struggling to see the relevance of the final para of the article (starting "Hugo Distler composed..."), how do these facts relate to the article? I imagine if I'm struggling, others may too.
It's standard to say which composers used a hymn in what pieces, compare Psalm 150 and the hymn linked above, where "Musical settings" is a separate header. I'll see if I can find more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:56, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Otherwise not much more to add at this stage. I'll put the article on hold. The Rambling Man (Staying alivesince 2005!) 15:13, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for looking! Nominated on my mom's birthday, - a song present at family baptisms and anniversaries, and probably at many families'. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:56, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. It looks like it's been waiting a while. I added a few responses. Let me know when you think you're done. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 16:06, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

TRM, I added a bit. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:18, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look tomorrow. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:20, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lead is still two paras. The first sentence of the lead has too many run-ons.
"Charles S. Terry" is linked to a dab page.
" hymnal Evangelisches Gesangbuch'." spare apostrophe there.

The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 07:31, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ready? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just need to fill in the last few refs suitably, access dates and/or publication dates please. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:50, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

tomorrow perhaps, off for today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:53, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No rush. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 09:04, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I got a minute, but don't quite get what you mean. Do you think the IMSLP should have a date? And which, - year of publication. Accessdate? Would I add it to the template? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:24, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, you know, we either put the publication date or an accessdate, sometimes both, for web-based resources. It's anomalous for you not to have that information on those references while you do for the others. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:29, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And as you've done for the other PDF refs, we usually use format=pdf, right? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:32, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, I don't add "format=pdf", the cite template does it. However, the IMSLP are simply that (different) template. It's not a PDF. No idea how to add a a date. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:47, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, okay, marvellous. I suppose the insistence to use the IMSLP template means that the references will not format comprehensively, which is a shame. I don't understand why such templates exist when they don't offer the required parameters. But GAN doesn't insist on professionally formatted refs I suppose, so I'll just have to suck it in. I'll take another look through later before offering a final opinion. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 15:05, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I hate shame ;) - I can format the thing like other references, if that's better. All we want to reference is that those pieces exist, but long live formality. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:00, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]