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B-Class anime assessment.

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Those IGN guides you see in some species articles ([1],[2]), are written by a staff member of IGN. I don't know how that was determined, but Kung Fu Man confirmed it, so I believe him. I do see that the reference links for them are not in the correct format, so I will go fix that. Blake (Talk·Edits) 15:09, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm really not comfortable with the sourcing in this article at this time; but I've asked for some other opinions at the Wikiproject. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 11:33, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The link reading "Submit a Walkthrough or FAQ" on this page suggests to me that these articles are not written by staff members. Goodraise 13:22, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It is people appointed by staff to write them, I think. Like I said, Kung Fu Man started the trend of using those. I will ask him about this. Blake (Talk·Edits) 01:23, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Frankly, it has all the appearances and hallmarks of user submitted content. And per WP:V, user submitted content is not reliable. If these walkthroughs are used elsewhere, then they probably needs to be removed. —Farix (t | c) 01:57, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
While they may be in the user submitted FAQs format, I think the people writing them are staff, or staff approved. Just wait until we get word from KfM. I put a message on his talkpage. Blake (Talk·Edits) 02:00, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
They are clearly user submitted. If these were written by the staff or a freelance writer on behalf of IGN, then they used us the standard IGN page layout and would not located with other user submitted walkthroughs. —Farix (t | c) 02:10, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
They might have done that because making an article or something for every Pokemon would clutter up the actual articles. They would be more useful, and make more sense, in the Walkthrough section. Just wait for Kung Fu Man to clear this up, instead of arguing with me. Blake (Talk·Edits) 02:15, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well Kung Fu Man is going to have to show some extraordinary evidence, such has the walkthough's writer being listed on the staff page list. But if IGN included staff written content with user submitted content with no way to distinguish between the two, then none of the content in that section can be accepted as a reliable source. —Farix (t | c) 02:25, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I got your extraordinary evidence right here: it's called doing a five second google search. And another. She's staff, though why they never actually gave an actual name is beyond me (though I'm inclined to think it has something to do with the fact the older now-deleted "Pokemon of the Day Guy" articles were left anonymous. That and in the first link, they say "we", emphasizing plural and the staff rather than a singular person). Research and some good faith would go a long way.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:36, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't do that. Do you honestly believe everyone assumed bad faith and didn't think to use a search engine. If it was that simple, we wouldn't be having this conversation. That in itself is an assumption of bad faith.
The fact remains that these guides are in a user-submitted section. I don't see any indication of editorial oversight that you'd see in, say the reviews portion of the site. I don't doubt they're on staff or that their writing is professional, but the question is whether its reliable. I still don't think so. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 04:42, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
They're being cited solely for the author's reception of the character and are backed up by them being written by IGN's staff. I really don't see how much simpler that can get. It's an odd thing for them to do yes, but assuming "this must be unreliable because of where it is" is presuming quite a bit since there's nothing to indicate they weren't. Not to mention, why have no editorial oversight after you've advertised it *twice*?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:58, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't give sources the benefit of the doubt, sources really need to be nailed down before B-Class. Really, you'd hate to have a surprise when this article goes for a GA nomination; better to be ruthless now and not worry about it later.
Actually, you got something there. I just went through all the sources again and you are correct; it is only being used in the reception section. The editor has an IGN email address and does some writing for them. I still however can't find anything to confirm a real life identity or status with IGN; and it troubles me that it's posted in the user-submitted content as a text document. Usually when citing published opinion, I like to be fairly sure that the opinion was actually published. I'm trying to come up with some sort of chain of evidence here to confirm the reliability of this source. Alternatively we can go ask at WP:RS/N if we need some more input. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 05:58, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That could do some good, especially if these ever have any hope of getting GA or higher. Sorry if I come across as a bit abrasive, finding reception for these characters can be a virtual nightmare and losing it can take down several articles at once. But seeing what WP:RS/N says on the matter would do some good for a final confirmation.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 12:29, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I hear you. I'm trying to be sensitive because I'm aware of the history of these Pokemon articles. I don't want to give room for someone to get on their high horse and start another mass AfD. This topic seems workable. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 11:07, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It wouldn't take down any articles, as to be notable, they must have several sources. It would be horrible to lose this though. It is just one more thing to help build it up. And if HeartGold and SoulSilver bring another "PokemonOfTheDay" person, we need to know if we can source them. Blake (Talk·Edits) 14:41, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's been a few days, and no objections to it on the noticeboard.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 13:42, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I've been on a semi-wikibreak. I'll follow up here shortly. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 06:12, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just as an update, we've got a third assessment from WP:ANIME agreeing with the C-Class rating (see [assessment comments). I resubmitted this to WP:Video Games and they confirmed their B-Class. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 12:16, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Marcel

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I think this deserves a mention: in the original video games, the only Mr. Mime obtainable without a cheat was from an in-game trade, and its nickname was fixed as Marcel. I remember reading somewhere that this was a reference to the famous mime Marcel Marceau, and that seems fairly obvious. (According to his article, Marceau was declared a "national treasure" in Japan; I wonder if the nickname was the same in the Japanese versions of the games.) It would be good to incorporate that into the article with proper referencing. --BDD (talk) 18:58, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review

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Passed. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Nominator: Pokelego999 (talk · contribs) 22:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: QuicoleJR (talk · contribs) 15:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


So far, I have performed GAN reviews of character articles by two editors, and here is one that was made by both of them. Full review should be coming shortly. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pokelego999 and Kung Fu Man: Alright, I have read through the article, and I have a good number of comments. The article is good overall, it just needs a bit of work. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@QuicoleJR I believe the issues you mentioned are patched up. I will note that the specific game appearances were done because they were the only ones I could source, though that is the bulk of main series appearances not elaborated on in further detail in the paragraph. In any case, let us know if anything else needs fixing. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 20:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Been busier than expected today, will look through the article again tomorrow. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pokelego999 and Kung Fu Man: I have just a few more things to fix. This review should be done pretty soon.
  • Why is 1UP.com specifically singled out in the lead?
  • The lead should mention the scene from the Detective Pikachu movie. I would argue it is more important for the lead to include than the anime and manga appearances.
  • Mr. Mime was cited by writer Vincenzo Idone Cassone as an example of fans making "playful mocking" out of dissonant elements in the series, with the relation between Delia and Mr. Mime in the anime being highlighted as an example of fans taking many unrelated elements to construct a comedic explanation to explain them. I can't figure out what this is supposed to mean.
  • Should the category “fictional butlers” be used for this article? It only applies to one member of the species, so wouldn't it make more sense as a category on the redirect made for that character?
QuicoleJR (talk) 18:23, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@QuicoleJR rewrote the lead to account for your suggestions, and did my best to clarify the Cassone source. Let me know if that needs additional rephrasing. Removed the fictional butlers category as well per your above statement, and applied it to the "Mimey" redirect. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pokelego999 and Kung Fu Man: I don't see any more major issues stopping this article from becoming a GA, so I will now promote it. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

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  • Mr. Mime are gifted with the art of miming at a young age. What does this mean?
  • as well as for combining the worst-perceived aspects of mimes and clowns. I'm not sure what “worst-perceived” means here.
  • However, the character's design has also been praised by other sources in comparison to more common series characters. Was it positively compared to more common characters, or did it receive more praise than more common characters? Those are both reasonable ways of interpreting the sentence.

Design and characteristics

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  • When asked what to explain what exactly Mr. Mime is, The Pokémon Company responded simply "We don’t know." Grammar issues. You should probably also specify who asked.

Appearances

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In video games

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  • It has since appeared in several sequels, including Pokémon Gold and Silver, Pokémon X and Y, and Pokémon Legends: Arceus. These seem like pretty random games to single out.
  • The appearances in Mystery Dungeon, Ranger, and PokePark are unsourced.
  • Poké Balls appear on the field and by using Mr. Mime's Barrier, send the Poké Balls to the other player's fields. I think you are missing a word here.
  • Mr. Mime appears in Pokémon Go, but is only obtainable in Europe. If I didn't know what Pokémon Go was, I would be very confused right now. Maybe you could mention that it is an augmented reality game?

In anime and manga

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  • Ash Ketchum, the series protagonist, dressed as a Mr. Mime to inspire a real Mr. Mime who worked for a circus. When? Why?
  • It is used to generate a Light Screen to seal off the whole of Saffron City. Why?
  • The sentence about Crystal’s Mr. Mime is a bit of a run-on sentence, but I understand if this can't be fixed.

In live action film

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  • and was inspired by watching the interrogation scene in the film Seven at the time. I think you can just say and was inspired by the interrogation scene in the film Seven.
  • I think the second paragraph of this section uses more quotes than it needs to. Could you please paraphrase some of them?

Critical reception

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  • Mr. Mime was cited as an example of fans making "playful mocking" out of dissonant elements in the series, You should probably specify that this is not part of the book mentioned right before it. It took me a bit to realize they were different.
  • and Mr. Mime was both one of the most infamous and "horrific monstrosities" in this regard The grammar seems off here.
  • Its appearance in the Detective Pikachu film received mixed reception. It seems like only one of the sources about the topic was negative, and that source doesn't even have anything negative to say about the Pokémon’s appearance in the movie, so I think “generally positive” would be more accurate.
  • in the film Detective Pikachu, Redundant.
  • While the Digital Spy source is nominally about the film, the reception it is used for here is about the Pokémon as a whole, and I think it would therefore fit better in an earlier paragraph.
  • This section could use a bit more paraphrasing of all of the quotes, but I understand that that can be difficult for character articles.

Spot check

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  • 1: Does not seem to verify this information for every first-generation Pokémon, only Eevee. However, Source 7 does mention that Sugimori was the character design director.
  • 4: Fine.
  • 9: I had to fix a minor inaccuracy, but mostly fine.
  • 10: This source does not back up the information it is used for.
  • 11: Fine enough, assuming that the YouTube video backs up the rest.
  • 14: Fine.
  • 19: Fine.
  • 22: Once again, I had to fix a minor inaccuracy, but mostly fine.
  • 23: Fine.
  • 30: Only supports some of the content, but the content is plot information anyway so we should be fine there.
  • 35: See 9 and 22.
  • 40: Fine.
  • 41: Fine.
  • 43: Fine.

Overall, I'm a bit hesitant, and I would appreciate it if you could verify that the more heavily used offline sources say what they are supposed to, but I think this article passes the spot check.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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