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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Victuallers (talk) 07:09, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Sister Marie Adolphin

... that Franciscan Missionaries of Mary; Marie-Adolphine (pictured), Marie-Hermine of Jesus, Maria Chiara Nanetti and Marie de la Paix Giuliani became Martyr Saints of China when they were canonised in 2000? Sources include "The seven Franciscan Missionaries of Mary were: Marie-Hermine Grivot, Marie de Ste. Nathalie Kerguin, Marie de St. Just Moreau, Marie de la Paix Giuliani, Maria Chiara Nanetti, Marie Amandine Jeuris, Marie Adolphine Dierk. They were beatified by Pope Pius XII in 1946 and canonized on October 1, 2000 in Rome by Pope John Paul II."
- ALT1:... that Franciscan Missionary of Mary; Marie-Adolphine (pictured) became a Martyr Saint of China when she was canonised in 2000? Sources include "The seven Franciscan Missionaries of Mary were: Marie-Hermine Grivot, Marie de Ste. Nathalie Kerguin, Marie de St. Just Moreau, Marie de la Paix Giuliani, Maria Chiara Nanetti, Marie Amandine Jeuris, Marie Adolphine Dierk. They were beatified by Pope Pius XII in 1946 and canonized on October 1, 2000 in Rome by Pope John Paul II."

Reviewed: 1.Edith Warner

Created by PamD (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 23:05, 4 May 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Ooh, a nice quadruple hook here! Each article looks good for the main page, were made on May 1 or 2, and are at least 1500 characters; for some odd reason I'm being told that Marie-Adolphine is a stub by DYKcheck, not sure why. QPQ is all good and hook is a catcher. See you at WP:DYKSTATS! Also did they all go by "Mary"? 7 Mary's sounds like an Abbot and Costello skit hah! - Floydian ^τ _¢ 15:53, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is some significant overlap in text among these articles. Since the overlapping text can only be used towards the character count of one article, this drops the other three below the 1500 word threshold for DYK. They'll need to be expanded a bit to qualify, so I'm putting this nom on hold until the issue has been resolved. MeegsC (talk) 09:22, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@MeegsC: They now pass a 2000 char limit and I have paraphrased the areas of duplication. Victuallers (talk) 12:57, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging also Nikkimaria, who is an experienced judge of just this kind of overlap. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:48, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in mind that minor rephrasing doesn't make the content new - it still doesn't qualify towards the count, so we're still short here. In addition to the interarticle duplication, I'm concerned that other articles have been closely paraphrased without sufficient attribution, eg Boxer Rebellion. Are there others? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:01, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I can't say that I agree, but nevertheless I have recast the hook to contain only one article, as adding another 500 chars to each may still be disputed. Can this be assessed please. @MeegsC:@BlueMoonset:@Nikkimaria: Thanks Victuallers (talk) 09:33, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll defer to Nikkimaria's expertise, as this was the first multiple nom I've dealt with when promoting sets. I'm learning more every day! MeegsC (talk) 13:11, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Moving down to one article sidesteps the duplication issue, but I would still like a response on the issue of copying from other articles - this needs to be properly attributed. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:54, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's correct Nikkimaria, but it is not relevant to this approval, and I'm quite willing to address the issue, without sidestepping, but not while the nomination is held to ransom. I hope you can see that this is reasonable if not your preferred route. This particular article had 1580 characters on the 4th May before I nominated it and I don't believe there is any duplication in this article that needs to be addressed. If you can identify some then I'd be pleased to remove it. Victuallers (talk) 15:32, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]