Talk:Los Angeles Clippers

Ownership

Missing a section on ownership. It's worth knowing that Donald Sterling is the owner, and knowing something about his personal and business dealings, since they have impacted the team to an extraordinary extent. The Clippers wouldn't be the Clippers if they had been owned by someone devoted to winning rather than some of the many unsavory things that are well known about him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BeholdMan (talk • contribs) 08:43, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Worst Franchise in NBA History

This article never references the Clippers often cited status as the worst NBA franchise in history (and for that matter all of sports), nor mentions any of the futility that are inexorably tied to any conversation involving The Clippers during the majority of years from 1990 - 2010. Glaring omissions include any reference to the frequent criticism of Donald Sterling and Clippers various records of futility, which fueled the Clippers consistently being named the Worst Franchise in History. As such, it sounds as though this article is heavily corporately manipulated by the NBA and Clipper ownership. The Clippers are perennially considered "The Worst Franchise in NBA History," and "The Worst Franchise in Sports History." Sports Illustrated in its April 17th, 2000 issue, featured the Clippers with the title "The Worst Franchise in Sports History (and the man responsible)" Additionally, ESPN The Magazine cited the Clippers as the worst sports franchise out of 122 franchises considered. The Boston Globe called the "the worst franchise in league history" on December 16, 1999. On October 24th, 1993 the Sacramento Bee referred the Clippers as "having long since nailed down the distinction of being the NBA's worst franchise."

And even hometown sports reporter Bill Plaschke referred to them as "perhaps the worst franchise in professional sports," in March 22nd, 1999. Forbes cites them as 23rd in total valuation, despite being in the #2 market.

Their history of futility includes the second lowest win percentage of any NBA team (0.36 as of writing this), after the Grizzlies, who status as an expansion team with only 15 years of existence heavily weighs against their record. The Clippers have never won a division title, and have 15 last-place finishes. The Clippers, despite coming into existence in 1970, over a 40 year period amassed two of the top ten longest playoff droughts, including a 15 year playoff drought from 1977-1991 and a 8 season drought spanning 1998 - 2005. They currently are tied for the second longest playoff drought at 4 seasons.

Even the Chicago Cubs wiki page offers a section on the teams "Championship Drought," and most other historically inept teams at least reference their status. This article is not complete without a section devoted to The Clippers epic futility and at least some mention of the highly used and often cited label as "worst franchise in NBA history" during the period from the early 90s to 2010. [User: agentraiden|agentraiden]] 3:07, 24 November, 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by AgentRaiden (talk • contribs) 11:30, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

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Individual season relevance

How relevant is all the information under the individual season sections? For example, the 2005-2006 section takes up a large chunk of the article, but that is not all relevant anymore. Perhaps these sections should be trimmed down to a couple keep points? [User:squeemu|squeemu]] 3:07, 8 November, 2007

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Dantley

Added a reference to him in the Hall of Famer section. I believe I have his years with the franchise correct, and don't know (and couldn't find) his uniform # with the Braves. Sn14534 (talk) 11:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Notable player : Bob Kauffman

I thought Bob should have been added. He was Buffalo's first center and a three time NBA All-Star. Very underrated as a pro, Kauffman had been the #4 overall pick and was traded very early on, then slotted for expansion. A strong PF who could pass, shoot outside and rebound well, Kauffman was part of a potentially great line with Elmore Smith and Bob McAdoo, but then was dealt for Gar Heard. This guy never really got a far shot, but was a key early star for the Buffalo leg of the team's history. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerjets11 (talk • contribs) 02:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Records

This statement

The Clippers are one of three teams (along with the Memphis Grizzlies and the Charlotte Bobcats) to have never won an NBA Championship,Conference Championship and a Division Championship in franchise history respectively.

is confusing. I think it means to say that none of these teams has won any of these titles. If so, the "and" should be "or". And why is the word "respectively" there? Autocorrelation (talk) 15:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

The Clippers remain in the L.A. metro area due to a large sports market able to support the Lakers and soon, a relocating Kings franchise if approved in Anaheim. Both the Clippers and Lakers played at the Honda Center on occassional games. The Clippers have played occassionally in the Long Beach Arena and interestingly, Long Beach is known for a harbor like San Diego when they used to play there. 71.102.30.215 (talk) 07:02, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Logo

The Clippers changed their logo. It's a very slight change (I don't know if they even bothered to announce it), but it's already been put into effect (see their NBA website). Not sure if there's a good image of it available anywhere, but it should be changed on this article when possible. 76.167.253.199 (talk) 04:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

The section of 2005–06: Back to the Playoffs

I did a few readjustments there, but there is something I want to bring up here before I would change it on my own. In the first paragraph, there are two sentences that are undesirably vague about the subject material. First, the introduction sentence of the section is "The 2005-2006 season was a turning point for the team's overall image; a hot start marked by several wins over top teams caught the attention of many fans. I think the bolded part of the sentence needs rewording, due to its vague nature. I would like to state that some of those "top teams" could be elaborated upon, and the part which says "caught the attention of many fans" is also overly vague and it may even be necessary to eliminate it. The second sentence I'd like to point out about the first paragraph is the third sentence: "Elton Brand was chosen as a reserve power forward for the All-Star Game and articles have been run in many sports magazines giving recognition to the much improved team. Instead of stating that articles have been written about Elton Brand's position in the all-star game, how about there be displayed which magazines wrote the articles and what the articles said. For instance, instead of the vagueness of what is there currently, there could be (with the possibility of creating more sentences), this: the (date) issue of x magazine stated that [what the article stated, along with the citation of the respective article afterwards]. These are just suggestions now, but I do think the sentence really need to be changed. Thoughts? Backtable _{Speak to me}^{concerning my deeds.} 08:03, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Buffalo Braves

I think there should be a separate page for the Buffalo Braves. There's one for the Minnesota North Stars. AmericanLeMans (talk) 04:43, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Be bold and start one up if you think you can create a suitably detailed page for it. -DJSasso (talk) 15:48, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

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Origin of "Lob City" Nickname

Under the section "Enter Lob City," the article states

The team gained the nickname "Lob City" due to several alley-oop plays, usually from Paul to Griffin or Jordan.

In reality, the use of the phrase "Lob City" to describe the Clippers originated before Chris Paul had ever thrown a lob in a Clippers' uniform; video coverage showing Blake Griffin finding out that the Clippers had traded for Chris Paul revealed his reaction: "It's going to be Lob City, baby!"

Related links: Blake Griffin on Chris Paul: 'It's going to be Lob City!' , Clippers trade for Chris Paul: Blake Griffin reacts to Blockbuster Deal

TumericTJ (talk) 03:30, 23 August 2012 (UTC)TumericTJ

Magic Johnson, Showtime And The Clippers

I need this comment posted:

On December 25th, former Laker and Hall of Famer Magic Johnson complimented the Clipper's style of play to the Lakers of the 1980's saying "I thought I would never, ever see Showtime again. And I was the architect of Showtime. The Clippers? That's Showtime."

For some reason, I am locked out from editing the front page. ElMeroEse (talk) 20:49, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

References

Racist Remarks By LA Clippers Owner

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/obama-reacts-alleged-racial-remarks-sterling-n90656

NBC News President Barack Obama talks about alleged racial remarks made by Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling. Published April 27th 2014, 2:12 am

Qewr4231 (talk) 05:25, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Need for article update

Steve Ballmer recently bought the franchise for $2 billion. The article must reflect that. I don't know where to put it, and have difficulty in generating enough content to add a section on the deal. Compfreak7 (talk) 13:20, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

I think a better idea would be to replace the owner field with "Vacant." The sale of the team is considered a self-termination of the Sterling Trust's ownership. All it needs now is a Board Of Governors vote. ElMeroEse (talk) 16:52, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Vacant is not accurate, as Sterling remains the owner until a sale is approved. —Bagumba (talk) 23:00, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Like Bagumba said above, vacant is NOT more accurate because Donald Sterling IS still the owner. Chambr (talk) 01:34, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Tyronn Lue was just hired as the Clippers head coach and it still says vacant in the intro box. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.89.136.14 (talk) 21:15, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Clippers to Seattle and No-Relocation Clause

You might want to mention how the Clippers, gn their lackluster history, were the topic of relocation during the forced sale of the team. When Clay Bennett purchased the Supersonics, there was a growing concern that he never wanted the Sonics in Seattle, and wanted to move the Sonics to his home state, where he would rebrand them as the Thunder. To prevent that from happening again, the NBA included a no-relocation clause stating that the Clippers cannot be moved from Los Angeles. Article here: http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/30/report-language-in-purchase-agreement-states-steve-ballmer-will-not-move-clippers-from-los-angeles/

It seems now that anytime the Clippers are in a discussion, a precedent is set. We had the gag order between the Clippers and Celtics during the coaching trade for Doc Rivers, now there's the no-relocation clause between the owner of the Clippers and the NBA Board Of Governors. ElMeroEse (talk) 18:52, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Actually, any no relocation clause included in the franchise agreement for the Clippers would not necessarily set a precedent. A buyback clause was apparently included in the recent sale of the Milwaukee Bucks. That would seem to be a variant of a no-relocation clause and considering the NBA's predilection for keeping their business dealings private, a Clippers' franchise deal might include similar language. Likewise, in that same article, there is some indication of a similar arrangement surrounding the New Orleans franchise.

--Mikeylito (talk) 23:06, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

References

Re: General Manager

Technically, the Clippers have no general manager as an official title. The following is taken directly from the Clippers' Team Directory.

Senior Vice President of Basketball Operations	Glenn "Doc" Rivers
Vice President of Basketball Operations	Gary Sacks
Director of Basketball Operations	Gerald Madkins

During the season, Rivers lets Sacks do the majority of the work, but the final decision is his. During the off-season, Rivers works in tandem with Sacks.

I placed the information here on the talk page for discussion purposes as this has been an issue in the past.
--Mikeylito (talk) 23:36, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

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 Done. --Houjou (talk) 18:01, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Why is the section "2000–02: The AND1 Streetball era" called that?

Why is the history's 2000-02 section titled "The AND1 Streetball era?" There are no references to anything related to AND1 Streetball or streetball at all in the two paragraphs of the section. --Houjou (talk) 17:59, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

@Houjou: I removed that particular section heading.  Done Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 04:14, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

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Rename article?

Team changed name from Los Angeles Clippers to L.A. Clippers. Evidence here: http://www.uni-watch.com/2016/08/19/los-angeles-clippers-move-to-l-a/ Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 02:54, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

There are still many secondary sources that refer to the team as the "Los Angeles Clippers". Even ESPN will have articles that refer to the team as the Los Angeles Clippers despite their page being "LA Clippers" (see this article and this article for instance). My understanding is this is more of a branding issue as opposed to a naming issue, since the team never issued a formal renaming press release. "LA" is a long-established nickname of Los Angeles, so having "LA Clippers" redirect here is appropriate, but renaming the article, probably not. --JonRidinger (talk) 20:37, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I disagree. There are no longer any official sources, whether the NBA or the team itself, that refer to the team as the "Los Angeles Clippers." ESPN and other secondary sources just haven't caught on/realized yet, and surely that accidental reality should not override what the league calls the team and the team calls itself. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 02:53, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

I would also disagree on moving the article as well, despite what the team itself says. Too much work for something rather arbitrary, and arguably temporary. It would be one thing to go from "Los Angeles" to something like "California" or "West Coast", but going from "Los Angeles" to "L.A" is not significant enough to rename the article. The team is more commonly recognized as the "Los Angeles Clippers", the same way the New York Knickerbockers are more commonly refered to as the New York Knicks. Having "LA Clippers" or "L.A. Clippers" redirect to the full name seems more appropriate but a wholesale move is not justified. Dknights411 (talk) 04:23, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Please see the links I included in my previous reply. There is nothing to "disagree" about in terms of how the team is referred to in secondary sources, which is ultimately what decides the article title, not simply the official pages (see WP:COMMONNAME and WP:BRAND). It's similar to how many college athletic programs want to be branded by their initials (like Northern Illinois Huskies being "NIU Huskies"), but secondary sources not reflecting that. Conversely, the example from Dknights411 about the Knicks is another good one where the official name is rarely used in secondary sources. Like I said, even ESPN, which has the team's page at "LA Clippers", will refer to the team within articles as "Los Angeles Clippers" or "Los Angeles" (don't forget in the US, "LA" is also the postal code for Louisiana). Other news sources are also still referring to the team as such, including CBSSports, Fox Sports, Bleacher Report, MSN Sports, and the Associated Press. While it may be a case of "not having caught on yet", we have to go by what a majority of secondary sources are currently using. So if they "catch on" and the majority start referring to the team exclusively as the "LA Clippers", then another discussion can begin. That often happens when names change. At this point, however, that is not the case. The redirect from "LA Clippers" and "L.A. Clippers" and mention in the lead is sufficient. --JonRidinger (talk) 13:49, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

The team is officially called the "LA Clippers" as explicitly shown on NBA.com <ref>https://www.nba.com/teams<ref> and ESPN.com <ref>https://www.espn.com/nba/teams<ref>. Both sources show the two Los Angeles teams as "LA Clippers" and "Los Angeles Lakers". It's obvious that the team has officially changed its name and thus should be reflected in the title of this article. This is no different than when MLS's Los Angeles Galaxy changed their name to LA Galaxy and their article title is accurate. Deconomou (talk) 01:27, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Per the policy WP:COMMONNAME: Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used ... Sometimes the official name is the same as the common name, other times it is not. —Bagumba (talk) 04:57, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

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Leonard/George "era"

Per WP:NOTCRYSTAL, please wait to change the sections to include Leonard and George as they have not yet even played for the team. We do not know the future or how they will actually affect the team enough to be an era yet. Also 2017–2019 should not be its own section. Two seasons of contract shedding and younger player transactions is more or less what lead into the team getting Leonard and George in the first place. If anyone feels differently about the guidelines on future history, please discuss here. Thank you, Yosemiter (talk) 13:27, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

I wouldn't name a section the "Leonard/George era" either (this "era" thing is cliche), but their joining is significant, perhaps even if they do nothing else. Any top player choosing to go to the Clippers is probably unprecedented for the historically bad franchise, and it was significant that they chose them over the rival Lakers. As Arash Markazi of the Los Angeles Times wrote, "You end up on the Clippers. You don’t choose to go to the Clippers."[1] It might be more appropriate to add Balmer to a section name. He's really changed their culture. But you won't get that just from game recaps.—Bagumba (talk) 16:10, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

The Ballmer references could probably be found, but as he is not a recognized "face" of the team, it may not be the best to use in a header here. As it seems pretty much everything after the Paul trade to Houston lead to an essentially new lineup, including Leonard/George, then the new "era" started with the 2017 for now. When/if the new lineup's impact is viewed as starting in 2019, we can address that when we get there. Right now, I would think "2017–present: Rebuild; Leonard and George arrive" is the furthest I would push the section header for now. Yosemiter (talk) 19:49, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

In my personal opinion, the Leonard/George signings do signify a new part of the Clippers' history. There's been a few prognosticators already penciling in the Clippers as title favourites (most notably NBA.com https://www.nba.com/article/2019/07/29/western-conference-power-rankings-mid-summer-edition), and I do think the next few years of the franchise will be analyzed in the light of these play acquisitions. Maybe you could lump 2017-19 into the "Lob City" era (perhaps as a "Changing Directions" heading) and then start a new section for Leonard/George. Or we could just get rid of this "Rebuild" section entirely and merge it with "Lob City" as I mentioned above. My two cents. Infinity Project (talk) 16:04, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Jerry West joined the team in 2017 as an executive to help reconstruct the roster, perhaps this section should be named after him.Infinity Project (talk) 14:45, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

50 Years of Existence and 0 Conference Final Appearances

Why isn't there any mention of the Clippers being unable to advance past the 2nd round in their 50 year existence? this is a drought of monumental proportions and I don't think we see this anywhere else on the planet amongst pro sports team. To have existed for half a century and never to have even advanced past the 2nd round?? this must be included somewhere in this page. This level of ineptitude is simply historic and it borders on criminal negligence to not have this outlined and talked about on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:fea8:3edf:e22a:9d50:b8b:734d:db02 (talk • contribs)

It is mentioned in the last sentence of the intro: The Clippers are the oldest franchise to have never played in the NBA Finals. That is more than enough without going into WP:UNDUE. Yosemiter (talk) 19:09, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 October 2020

The Buffalo Braves record of 49 wins came during the 1974-75 season, not 1975-76 Isampson1018 (talk) 17:58, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for catching this error. RudolfRed (talk) 18:45, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2023

It says the Clippers are "the oldest franchise in the league, as well as the overall franchise". I think a better way to say it would be "As well as the oldest overall franchise" or maybe even say "the oldest franchise in professional sports to have never appeared in a league championship" because the Clippers are the oldest professional sports team across all four major professional sports leagues in the United States to have never played in a league championship. 70.116.103.113 (talk) 21:40, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done I'm not sure why this sentence ended up this way, given that the reference to "overall" age is no longer necessary now that the Nuggets don't have to be mentioned. --Pinchme123 (talk) 02:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

James Harden And The Superteam Era

You might want to mention in the article the James Harden trade in the Leonard-George era, the Clipper's first ever attempt at a super team, their reluctance in trading their role player Terance Mann as part of the deal, and how this trade is seen as their last hurrah. By making this trade, Clippers have put all their All-Stars (Westbrook, Harden, George, Leonard) on the line, and if they fail to win a title, they're all gone and Clippers relocate into their new Intuit Dome empty handed. It will be hard to do so without contextual narrative, even if it is properly sourced from reputable sites like ESPN, L.A. Times, Orange County Register, and the like. I have yet to make direct edits to the article because (1) it's semi-protected and (2) the debate of whether this "Fantastic 4" era deserves its own section or not. The super team era could be as short lived as the Super Lakers of 2004 (Payton-Bryant-Malone-O'Neal; reached Finals), 2013 (Nash-Bryant-Gasol-Howard; 1st round exit), 2021-22 season (Westbrook-Anthony-James-Davis-Howard; missed playoffs). Or, it's possible Westbrook-Harden-George-Leonard doesn't survive at all; there could be a trade as early as next year. As far as I know, super teams have always lasted a whole year, no super team has ever been broken up within the middle of their debut. We do know that they had a six-game losing streak since making the trade, and Clippers have been heavily criticized for the move, usually with their losing history as a base talking point. How should the James Harden section be written/treated, keeping in mind these concerns? ElMeroEse (talk) 22:16, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Clippers Logo change

When will logo and Clippers "table" colors change on Wikipedia to reflect the recent announcement? - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 02:12, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2024

Update link in sidebar template from redirect of San Diego Clippers to current San Diego Clippers (NBA G League) page. The old one was move to be a redirect to avoid disambiguation of old NBA franchise 2603:8000:8E00:D700:C5F2:449C:2EFF:3C3A (talk) 01:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2024 (8:41 PM EDT Hialeah, FL)

Change the LA Clippers logo to the ship onboard with a compass saying "Los Angeles Clippers" in a circle. Like the Celtics and timberwolves logo. 71.121.184.15 (talk) 00:38, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Here: https://content.sportslogos.net/logos/6/236/full/los_angeles_clippers_logo_primary_2025_sportslogosnet-5542.png

 Not done: please provide a sourced logo that isn't copyvio. M.Bitton (talk) 23:47, 19 May 2024 (UTC)