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Should characters from the book be included?

Such as Dr. Qian, Edan Had'dah and Skarr. --SGCommand (talk • contribs) 14:38, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I would advise against. In that case, you might do well to make a separate page for the novelization. If subsequently they appear in the game itself, that would merit their inclusion here. Until such time as that happens, it seems excessive. Michael.A.Anthony 16:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Wholesale Copying of Official Galactic Codex Entires

I notice that the entries for both Urdnot Wrex and Ashley Williams are copied and pasted from the official Mass Effect community website. I'm fairly certain this must be against the rules. Could someone verify?Michael.A.Anthony 16:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Donnel Udina as a villain

I've had hands-on time with the game, and Donnel Udina is in no way, shape, or form represented as a villain. Unless this can be backed up with a solid source, it should be immediately removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evan G. Beazley (talk • contribs) 03:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

keep it unbias

dount put personal theiroes in articles in beneza it says she was ashamed of lira's farther but we dont know for sure this should read like a article not my freind telling me about what he herd off some guy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ralon silver (talk • contribs) 08:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

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Sovereign

"It is unclear whether the entity of Sovereign is the ship itself or a computer that exerts control over the ship." There is never any indication that Sovereign is a computer controlling the ship, everything in the game refers to it as the ship itself, as an artificial life form, an AI like the geth that is big enough to operate like a ship. Mloren (talk) 11:25, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Everything in the game is speculation by characters and VIs as to the nature of Sovereign and the Reapers. Even the characters themselves admit as much that they don't really know much about the Reapers. Peptuck (talk) 15:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
It's simplest just to say that Sovereign IS the ship, because that's how he's identified through most of the game. King Zeal (talk) 16:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
The Journal describes Sovereign as a "sapient ship", so I'm editing out the speculation. King Zeal (talk) 01:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

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Saren Finding Sovereign

In the article it states that "It is unknown how Saren found Sovereign..." Well, in Mass Effect: Revelations Saren took the research of a man who had the location and the basic outline of what Saren was. I would assume that is how Saren found Sovereign. AhrenAKADan (talk) 15:48, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Added pictures

I added some pictures for some of the characters hope they are ok. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheDarknessIsInMe (talk • contribs) 05:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Shepard Statue

Under his bio there was mention of a statue being available. It's pretty blatant advertising and was removed. Darthveda (talk) 16:18, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Spoilers?

Never actually edited on here before and not sure what the guidelines are, but surely there should be a spoiler warning on both the Benezia and Sovereign entries?

If I'm wrong please correct me, but I'd rather not have known how the game ends in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.147.37 (talk) 11:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I didn't really need to know about some of the potential deaths of party members, too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brimoral (talk • contribs) 18:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

See WP:SPOILER. If you don't want to be spoiled about things, don't look them up on Wikipedia. Peptuck (talk) 21:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Disagree. A wikipedia article for the character "Cathy" from Wuthering Heights would obviously mention the fact she dies half way through the book because it's part of her character narative; it's irrelevant whether it spoils the plot or not. Personally, I avoided the Mass Effect page like the plague until after I'd finished the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.90.232.145 (talk) 22:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
It's Wikipedia Policy therefore examples can not be used to dispute it. I admit numerous times I felt it was a foolish rule after various telivision shows, video games, and movie plots where spoiled for me by Wiki however the reader reads at their own risks. For example the Santa Claus and black stereotypes articles make no expense to prevent offending the viewer, why should this? UniversalBread 18:06, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Jenkins

Maybe add a note that this may be a reference to Leeroy Jenkins? The corporal rushes ahead without cover, only to be killed instantly. When Shepard talks to him on the Normandy, he/she can tell Jenkins not to rush or something. 79.115.183.90 (talk) 11:20, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

No reliable source has ever been provided that shows a connection between the two. Peptuck (talk) 15:19, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

There's a video where one of the developers notes the link. I've cited it. 86.15.170.76 (talk) 10:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Youtube is not a reliable source. Peptuck (talk) 15:58, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I linked directly to the Gamespot video: but anyway, the video in question is an interview with two Bioware employees and was clearly not manipulated. Remember to use common sense. 86.15.170.76 (talk) 19:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I think it's a suitable reference. King Zeal (talk) 19:30, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


Kirrahe

Fairly obvious reference to Band of Brothers, E Co, 2/506th, 101st AB, episode 1 "Currahee" particularly given Sobel/Kirrahe's mannerisms and "inspirational" speech. 68.94.164.96 (talk) 11:03, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Jacob

Should a section about Jacob, the upcoming character in Mass Effect: Jacob's Story, be added? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.106.229 (talk) 21:35, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Tali has not been confirmed yet...

...or, at least, a link hasn't been provided that prooves she has. If you want to know what I'm talking about, just read the section on Tali. --LordNecronus (talk) 00:36, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I was almost certain there was a citation somewhere on the Mass Effect 2 page, but it's vanished now. I'd suggest leaving it like that for a while longer. --ThejadefalconSing your songThe bird's seeds 15:52, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
I know it's been pretty much confirmed that there is a quarian squad member in the game. A female quarian squad member. It's most likely Tali, and I personally believe it is; but there are no citations. Anywhere. Although, Tali has been confirmed for the game (this was on an official Mass Effect page that I can't remember the link for), she was only confirmed to be returning as a character. Not necessarily as a squad member. --LordNecronus (talk) 20:24, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Mass Effect Redemption

QUOTE: "Liara will be the main protagonist of an upcoming Mass Effect comic book, as revealed in an interview with Gametrailers.com."

Isn't Shepard the main character? I know Liara's in the comic, but nothing's been said stating that Liara is the main protagonist. Thoughts? --LordNecronus (talk) 15:56, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I deleted it due to no citation, no explanation and not even a link to Redemption. --ThejadefalconSing your songThe bird's seeds 09:43, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Subject Zero

Apparently, there's a new squad member that's been announced: Subject Zero. Make of her what you will. --LordNecronus (talk) 14:01, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Do you have a video that works? Say, YouTube? --ThejadefalconSing your songThe bird's seeds 09:44, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
What, it doesn't work? Fuck! I'll go look for another video. Thanks for telling me. It's just, when I put it on, I tried it out and it worked. Maybe some stupid glitch happened, I don't know. --LordNecronus (talk) 22:05, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
It's done. Also, try this. --LordNecronus (talk) 22:08, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. YouTube worked. --ThejadefalconSing your songThe bird's seeds 10:11, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Well fuck. Looking at the article, it seems someone beat me to it. Well, maybe the links I provided can help? --LordNecronus (talk) 22:10, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

You don't have to be so angry. Right now the information out there is preliminary, the section will probably only be fleshed out once the game is released.--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:53, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Wait, what? Angry? You honestly thought I was angry? I know, saying "fuck" could give people that impression, but... see, if I was angry, I would be typing IN ALL CAPS LIKE THIS!!! (just an example). --LordNecronus (talk) 22:38, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
You've obviously been corrupted by Subject Zero. :P Wow. Fox really is going to have a field day with the sequel. I can't wait. :D --ThejadefalconSing your songThe bird's seeds 10:11, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Ah yes, Faux News. That report should be fun. --LordNecronus (talk) 23:23, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

More about Garrus (SPOILERS) + sources

Though it hasn't been confirmed officially that Garrus is recruitable, it has been confirmed in the list of achievements that Archangel is recruitable and in a Gamespot video that garrus is Archangel. Sources: http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/masseffect2workingtitle/video/6244171/mass-effect-2-tots-demo ; http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/mass-effect-2/achievements/ . Is than enough info or should we wait before Bioware or EA announces it officially? 194.78.37.122 (talk) 13:09, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Is Legion really recruitable?

I don't see a comfirmation of this in the sources. Can anyone comfirm? 194.78.37.122 (talk) 12:29, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

It's currently citation seventeen. "There’s also the question of that enigmatic Geth, apparently wearing Shepard’s armour at the end of the teaser. Casey virtually stonewalls when it comes to revealing any more information on that particular character, but apparently he’s friendly and can become a playable part of your team." --ThejadefalconSing your songThe bird's seeds 12:31, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

The achievement list would seem to confirm that Legion is in fact recruitable. The 10th squadmate quest achievement refers to the geth, and another achievement listed along with seven other squadmate achievements mentions "obtaining geth hardware" (there are only eight recruitment achieves, but you add in Jacob and Miranda are with you from the start, and that gets you 10 total). =/= Ironoclast (Talk) 21:17, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Just wanted to point out (as I have had to do so many times at the Mass Effect Wiki), the Achievements List is in no way confirmation that Legion is recruitable. Notice how all the achievements you get when you "Successfully recruit ___" end before the Legion achievement. As for "obtain geth hardware", for all we know you need to destroy Legion to obtain some geth hardware (taking it literally makes sense, doesn't it?) and then use said hardware to "hack a geth collective" (which is the other achievement people have cited as "proof" that Legion is recruitable). Long story short, if it doesn't say anywhere that Legion will be a squad member, it probably shouldn't be used as proof to support the claim the Legion will be a squad member. SpudHawg948 (talk) 06:05, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Samara

Is this canon: "Samara could be a romantic interest to both male and female Shepard in Mass Effect 3"? If not it should be removed from the article 78.97.195.69 (talk) 20:31, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Joker not in this list?

Poor Joker got left out of this article! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.78.223.174 (talk) 04:52, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'd argue that both Joker and Yeoman Chambers are major characters, not minor ones. 75.142.255.237 (talk) 04:32, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Someone needs to write about Admiral Hackett

Someone needs to write about Admiral Hackett in this page. He doesn't have his name, his biography, you name it. Someone needs to write about Admiral Hackett soon. BattleshipMan (talk) 21:24, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Kelly Chambers

Is a "Kelly Chambers" or "Kahlee Sanders" (or whoever she is, or if they're both different characters) suppose to be on this list? I don't know if I'm wrong, but I saw it on the Mass Effect 3 page. 98.196.48.43 (talk) 03:17, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeoman (Kelly) Chambers is not Kahlee Sanders for that character is a generation older (contemporary with Captain Anderson). As the default Shepard romance option, she is without doubt a figure of major importance. But she remains one of two indispensable figures left out of the list (the other being Admiral Hackett). I'd not care to put either in this list given that they're not actually playable or usable in a squad ... yet. That may have to change. She is noted as a returning character in Mass Effect 3, for example.

116.251.190.16 (talk) 08:07, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

We need a Female Shepard Portrait

We need a Female Shepard Portrait. --98.119.198.186 (talk) 22:12, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Illusive man, not an antagonist.

While originally after Mass Effect: Ascension came out everyone believed Illusive man to be the main antagonist for the sequel, but now it's hard to came that, since he's on your side throughout the second game, and your boss. -- Larry MacDuff (talk) 17:08, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

He may be Shepard's boss but that doesn't mean he's not evil. I'd wait for consensus before you make any changes. --ThejadefalconSing your songThe bird's seeds 17:52, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
"Evil" is not the same as "antagonist". I'm not taking a side here; I just wanted to point that out. --LordNecronus (talk) 20:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
O.o Yeah, never mind. Not sure what I was thinking there. Still, I don't think he should be moved yet. Wait until the game comes out, then decide whether he is or not (maybe he'd fit under both of them...). --ThejadefalconSing your songThe bird's seeds 20:35, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Jade Falcon, he's not evil persay, he's merely Pro-human which doesn't imply evilness and he's not even racist. Antagonist usually means enemy of the protagonist, in this case Commander Shepard is the protagonist, and they aren't enemies.. -- Larry MacDuff (talk) 03:50, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
He's not racist? Proof, please. --LordNecronus (talk) 23:21, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Anyway, I think we should keep TIM in the antagonist section until the game comes out. He is an antagonist in Mass Effect Ascension, so he still belongs there even if he's a "good" guy in the game. --LordNecronus (talk) 23:23, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Pro-human does nessessicarly mean racist..And, I guess your right, we'll figure this out after January 26th. -- Larry MacDuff (talk) 05:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
In Mass Effect 3, the Illusive Man becomes an outright antagonist. Leader Vladimir (talk) 20:43, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Non-recurring characters of the Mass Effect universe

I support the split of Non-recurring characters of the Mass Effect universe into a separate article. And then deleting that article as non-notable. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 01:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Split article into eight new articles due to length

Split - Article should be split into eight new articles due to length by splitting section two into seven articles, and splitting section 3 into a new article. Thoughts???--Jax 0677 (talk) 05:47, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi there! I splitted section 2.1 into a dedicated wikipage for each character. A lot of style and refs work has to be done but I think the rest of the characters should also have a dedicated wiki. Do you agree? Daniel Olivaw (talk) 19:18, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

By the way, I also think that Main page should be deleted and it looks like it will. I started creating this dedicated articles so we don't loose all this valuable info about each character. Daniel Olivaw (talk) 19:21, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Reply - Get this page under 100 kB, and I'll be happy. --Jax 0677 (talk) 22:44, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

The proper response is not to split it but to trim it down substantially. Much of the two lists are plot regurgitation. It needs a surgical triage. --Izno (talk) 22:46, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

I believe that this article probably violates copyright per Wikipedia:Plot-only_description_of_fictional_works#Avoiding_violating_copyright. Describing every character decision tree is EXTREMELY over detailed. We need to trim these significantly. Gaijin42 (talk) 16:05, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Image

I noticed other "Characters of Blah" articles had a groupshot picture at the start of the article (e.g. Carnivàle), so I did a quick search for "Mass Effect" and sure enough: [1]. It's the "N7 Day" poster thing, and it's got most of the characters; obivously, getting them all in would be impossible. There's also a FemShep version, but if we decide to use the image the male Shepard is probably the better. – Bellum (talk) 17:16, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Support: Excellent image choice; best wishes with fair use constraints. – Conrad T. Pino (talk) 19:32, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Well done! – Conrad T. Pino (talk) 01:50, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Saren/sarin

Does Saren's naming have anything to do with the poison sarin? Something worth considering, if the sourcing is available. (Otherwise, what is he named after?) czar · · 05:44, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

FemShep

There are plenty of RS for a section on FemShep, or the role of the Commander's gender selection and its role in video game culture. Something to consider for expansion. [2] [3] czar · · 17:40, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Article about Shepard

So let me get this straight: Garrus, the lancer, has his own article; but Shepard, the hero, doesn't have one? Are we absolutely sure a Shepard article can't be made? Leader Vladimir (talk) 16:58, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

It's probable that the main character, Shepard, could have his own article. It would need to keep in mind our essay on writing about fiction, as well as our guidelines on reliable sourcing and notability. --Izno (talk) 17:19, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm working on one, but I'd only written about an actual sentence -- the rest was source gathering and stuff, you know. I was planning on actually working on it after I'd done an article on Tali, which would make both the sidekicks have articles before the main hero. Wouldn't that be fun? If you want to go ahead and start working on an article for Shepard, I wouldn't mind; the less work the better, right? – Bellum (talk) (contribs) 19:10, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Okay, work progresses on the article, but I'm wondering about the infobox image; although we already have an image for Commander Shepard in this article, I think we can get a better one for the new article. I've got these two images, and am wondering which of those would be better. Or, indeed, if an even better one is available. Given Shepard's customisability, there's also a case for not putting any image up, but I think there's a clear representable "Shepard" known to the world, and the armour's pretty distinctive. – Bellum (talk) (contribs) 22:02, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
It now exists. – Bellum (talk) (contribs) 20:38, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

"Recurring"

I don't think "recurring" is the right choice for picking what characters we should list. That's not saying there should be no restrictions -- listing every minor character in the series is an incredibly bad idea -- but by making it "have at least two appearances" we're missing out on Sovereign, at the least, who was basically the big bad of the first game (although he sort of shares the role with Saren).

I don't know what exact threshold to use. The best I can suggest is common sense, but maybe not everyone will agree on who's major enough for inclusion. – Bellum (talk) (contribs) 22:48, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Recurrence is generally used for the 'necessary' criterion for such lists of characters, due to the fact that the singleton characters can be covered as elements of the individual games each. --Izno (talk) 23:16, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
But not all recurring elements should be covered -- Helena Blake is "recurring", but plays little more than a bit part in ME2 and just hands out a easily-overlooked single sidequest in ME1. Likewise, Sovereign cannot be properly discussed in the article for ME1, unless you plan to have a section under characters there. – Bellum (talk) (contribs) 10:57, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

RfC: Mass Effect series capitalization of alien race names

You're invited to join the discussion at Talk:Illusive Man#Request for comment. czar · · 03:00, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Grammar Correction

Funnily enough, all of the alien race names in this article have been (prior to my sporadic editing) in lower case. Surely, the names of races should be reached as proper nouns; especially if they are treated as such in the game's actual text anyway? Melaisis (talk) 21:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

They aren't capitalized in-game, nor are they capitalized in ME: Revelation. Peptuck (talk) 00:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

No no no. This is all wrong. See, I thought this was pretty weird when I started playing, but then I noticed something and I respect the game developers for being the first to do this. Normally in sci-fi we capitalize races; Wookiee, Klingon, etc. because they usually have a single government and are thought of as a nation. But then I noticed, in everyday use we don't write Human or Cat or Dog. Mass Effect is trying to be very realistic in its depiction of a sci-fi universe, and I applaud them for doing this little thing. I request you change everything back to lowercase. 75.41.35.95 (talk) 00:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Melaisis that the races should be capitalized. Cheers. SaturnCat (talk) 10:34, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Splitting off Garrus/Tali/Liara

Partly because of the massive size of the page, I muddled with the idea of creating a separate article for Garrus. Right now, it's by no means certain, but I've found some sources that could come in handy: <used and removed> – Bellum (talk) 00:10, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Added some more sources, although now I'm running dry. – Bellum (talk) 00:26, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Also had a look at Tali:

<Article made, sources used>

And again, I am not sure if I can dig up any more stuff than that. If neither can get their article, which is more than possible (although Tali got a fair amount of coverage due to her face), these can probably be used on the page itself to give it a better real-world view. – Bellum (talk) 17:08, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

And, while I think I'm done going through sources for now, here's a nice one on the development of Thane. – Bellum (talk) 17:16, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
And, of course, as soon as I say that, I go and add a few more sources. – Bellum (talk) 17:50, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Garrus' article is almost finished. – Bellum (talk) 02:13, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Pretty good start. Some copyediting needed from a brief glance, but aside from that, looks good. --Izno (talk) 02:25, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. If all things go to plan, the article should be all up and in the mainspace by tomorrow (knowing me, this means in three weeks). I'm having a bit of trouble with Homeworlds, though; namely, I have no real idea of what actually happens in it. I was hoping to buy it at some point for my own reading pleasure, but that might not be for a while now. I don't suppose you know what's in it? Because that'd be really great. – Bellum (talk) 03:36, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Googling never did anyone harm. :) --Izno (talk) 05:10, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Shush, you. Also did some looking at Commander Shepard – see here. It looks like we can probably add Shepard to the "to split" list; in hindsight, that's not that shocking. I think there are actually more sources to do with FemShep than Shepard as a whole. Make of that what you will. – Bellum (talk) 17:16, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Tali and Liara need their own pages.....Tali is a major character in the series and Liara basically is the deuteroganist of the entire series and an even more major lore character than Garrus.

Tali's article is in the works, though progress is slow. Real life and all that jazz. On the upside, the reception section's pretty much done. As for Liara... it could definitely happen, yeah. I've found some sources, it's in the realm of possibility. Right now, though, the article would probably be focused on her sex appeal, and I'm hoping I can find a bit more than that. Also, most of the sources come from UGO, so not exactly widespread coverage on it so far. I should probably be able to link in that whole "alien sex scene", though, so that should help -- and it's always fun to read about. "Mass Effect can be customized to sodomise whatever, whomever, however, the game player wishes", "virtual orgasmic rape is just the push of a button away"... must be a Renegade action, no doubt. – Bellum (talk) (contribs) 17:16, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Tali has an article, so woo. I could probably try pushing to make a Liara article now, but I don't really have enough sources to really say "yes, this should totes have an article, no argument". It'd be sort of on the edge of notability, trying to keep balance. – Bellum (talk) (contribs) 00:53, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't think anyone has a problem with this. The main characters of the series by far have won enough respect and love that there is enough, if not, plenty of details and I am shocked Liara doesn't have her own page. I say go for it!--Dr. Pizza (talk) 11:59, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Main villain

I'm now beginning to wonder if there should really be separate entries for Harbinger and the Collector General. It's made clear that CG is just an avatar for Harbinger, as opposed to Saren and Benezia, who had wills of their own. I am well aware of how the characters are credited in the subtitles. However, the journal and logs identify Harbinger as leader of the Collectors. For most of the campaign, you think its all one guy. It is not until the very end that you learn that Harbinger is a Reaper, and he was using CG as an avatar because his own body was light years away. So I'm wondering if it might be prudent to just list Harbinger there, making note that the body he has for most of ME2 is a puppet/avatar. Simon Beavis

Liara, EDI, Wrex, and others need their own pages

They are major characters and Liara maybe the second most important character in regards to the plot, only to Shepard. Wrex is also a major fan favorite. The main crew should all have their own character pages. This helps clean up this page. I say Liara, Wrex, Ashley, Kaiden, EDI, Miranda, Mordin, and Thane should all have separate pages. Texasgoldrush (talk) 06:41, 12 July 2013 (UTC)Texasgoldrush

What you've got to remember is that importance in Mass Effect isn't the criteria for inclusion here -- though I doubt appearing for a few seconds and then never again helps your case. The characters need to be covered in outside sources, gained some attention, something to make them "notable" (as Wikipedia uses the word). Tali and Garrus, for instance, are both characters who have been in focus in various reliable sources, and are known as fan favourites. Mass Effect's really well known, and so its characters get a lot around, but a lot of them don't really receive enough attention to deserve their own articles. That said, I wouldn't really rule out anyone -- sometimes some really surprising articles turn up, well-sourced and inclusive. I think Wrex, Miranda, Liara and Mordin would probably be the first ones to look out for, though there's no guarantee that sources are out there. – Bellum (talk) (contribs) 15:24, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

The sources are out there....there is no reason why there would be a lack of sources for the dueteragonist of the entire trilogy in Liara, who also had her own DLC in Mass Effect 2 that was so well received. Also Thane has a very positive reception as well, and I remember IGN's ME2 review singling him out among the game's best characters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Texasgoldrush (talk • contribs) 06:10, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

If you think Liara needs her own article and the sources are out there, then you are welcome to do it yourself. Less talking and more doing gets things done, you know. --Niwi3 (talk) 10:33, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Think of it less "there are no reasons why not" and more what reasons are there "why". Garrus was really popular, and appeared in dozens of "top character" lists. TIM was similarly well-received, appearing in some of those and getting at least one award. (Note: I know Thane got some sort of award too.) However, on Liara:
That's six pieces on reception, probably enough to start out a decent reception section, as well as some other information. I'd start work on it myself, but right now I want to concentrate on the articles we have before making any more. – Bellum (talk) (contribs) 23:17, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Update: I'm working on a Mordin Solus page now. Hopefully that'll be up soon. – Bellum (talk) (contribs) 21:57, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
When is Liara and Wrex getting their own pages? --76.175.67.121 (talk) 18:54, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
When someone makes them. I can only speak for myself here, and while Wrex will probably get one soon enough, my work ethic and interests vary like a... really inconsistent thing. Could be a month, a week, never? Others, like yourself, are welcome to make an article, though I understand that's kind of a bum deal since others may or may not know half of Wikipedia's editing style and end up risking being deleted immediately, which is a kick in the passion. – The Millionth One (talk) (contribs) 10:38, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Just letting you know Liara T'Soni article (named just Liara for some reason) now exists but is shit-tier at the moment. --LKAvn (talk) 08:38, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Liara T'Soni redirected back here. Her article was mainly unsourced fancruft confusing to casual readers, had no third-party reception, and had remained incomplete since its creation. sixtynine • speak up • 00:56, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Illusive Man

The Illusive Man is not the subject of significant, in-depth coverage. Our coverage reflects the secondary sources, which here cover him as much as the other characters, so the characters list is the best location to build out a section on the Illusive Man. The telltale sign is the Reception section, which is a series of quotes and mentions rather than an in-depth analysis of the character. Still, it's good stuff that can be paraphrased within the main character list. czar 22:47, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

✓ done czar 03:24, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
@Sergecross73, it says he's mysterious? What do you think needs to be said from that article that isn't already covered in the merged section of this one? czar 01:34, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Unencyclopedic

This list keeps growing day after day with unsourced, in-universe video game trivia/"fancruft". This stuff either needs to be sourced or removed. czar 22:39, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

This is a "list" that needs to follow the List of Star Wars characters example. --Omanyd (talk) 04:07, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
Doesn't even need to be that intense—Star Wars is a whole lot bigger than Mass Effect. Characters who aren't discussed in reliable, secondary sources do not need to be mentioned here. Readers who want in-universe content should be reading Wikia. (WP is an encyclopedia.) czar 04:19, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

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OP has been indef blocked -- ferret (talk) 22:41, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

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I just noticed that you removed major characters in their entirety from List of Mass Effect characters. Why did you commit this vandalism? Please help correct it. Googinber1234 (talk) 02:32, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Googinber1234: Reliable sources were not provided which established those characters's importance such that we provide the appropriate weight in the list. Feel free to produce and use yourself reliable sourcing. You can try starting with WP:VG/S and WP:VG/SE. --Izno (talk) 02:35, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

It's a list of characters for a specific series; it is to list all of its significant characters. Googinber1234 (talk) 18:35, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

No, that's not how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia works by using reliable sources to establish the correct weight and verifiability of a subject. If you do not have reliable sources about a topic, you should not write about that topic here. This is especially true for content which is fictional.
I am sure the Mass Effect Fandom would like to have this content, if it does not already exist, if you cannot produce reliable sources.
Also, {{stub}} is for pages which have very little content. This page does not have that issue. I will re-remove your edit. Do not revert me. Thanks. --Izno (talk) 18:58, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Please stop removing characters. If you believe that any of the information I'm adding is not true, please identify such specifics. Your use of a "reliable sources" policy to flat-out remove undisputed information here is wrong. The page is a list of Mass Effect characters; everything I am adding is on-topic and significant to the series. Please verify for me that you understand this. Googinber1234 (talk) 21:02, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Googinber1234: You have now been reverted multiple times by multiple editors and been explained why you are wrong. You are the one who needs to stop. --Izno (talk) 21:19, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Why is this page/list so incomplete in 2020? Googinber1234 (talk) 02:30, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Googinber1234: I'm going to leave a comment here because this is where the discussion should be occurring. I have just about no objection to some of this content. The issue I have is that you have not provided reliable sources such that the content is verifiable and that it has the appropriate weight in the article. It is your burden to provide those sources. I have provided you a link (WP:VG/SE) which will provide you a search engine that can probably help you find sourcing for some of the characters. Fandom and "index" pages at IGN or similar are not appropriate. --Izno (talk) 21:22, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

That link appears to give only a specific list of sites as "acceptable".

Also, as of now I am reporting you. Googinber1234 (talk) 21:30, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

The links above include a link to a Google custom search engine ([4]) that provides for some reliable sources that are the most-likely to help you source the content you're attempting to add. I'd be happy to work with you to assess each source you might find. --Izno (talk) 21:53, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

The problem is that you believe this kind of information, when it is not disputed, needs such sources on a page specifically dedicated to its topic; it does not. I also heavily disagree with what Wikipedia considers as so "reliable" while dismissing everything else. Googinber1234 (talk) 22:01, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

If you would like to discuss specific sources, we can talk about them, but it's going to start from the principles in WP:V and WP:RS, which are distilled into video game-specific discussion at WP:VG/S. If you don't bother to read those, your disagreement isn't going to get you very far. You can discuss those sources you might think are okay here, WP:RSN, or WT:VG/S.
As for what is or is not disputed, I have challenged your content; it is then your burden to identify sourcing for that content. Again, I'm willing to filter sources that you think are acceptable (which may [not] be), but a challenge doesn't just go away because you think it's not disputed.
Additionally, the content you add needs to be written about from an out-of-universe perspective and with the objectives of maximizing out-of-universe information and minimizing plot regurgitation (which is best discussed in the context of the specific games). --Izno (talk) 22:07, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

You just contradicted yourself: you already said earlier today that you "have just about no objection to some of this content". Also, the article in question we're talking about deals with fictional information, which I am not going into excessive detail with in my draft. Googinber1234 (talk) 22:19, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

We can talk when you produce the sources. Otherwise, you should entertain finding another place that is not Wikipedia to contribute to. --Izno (talk) 22:26, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

I already gave you clear and obvious sources; they are literally the first results on Google. Furthermore, you are continuing your original error of the belief that sources are needed for everything. They are not. I'm not concerned with having this information on any other place. My point is not to make it publicly available in general, my point is to have it included on Wikipedia specifically, setting a good example for correcting similar exclusion of information and other vandalism that uses erroneous policies as justification, as you have been this whole time. I am trying to enforce this common sense standard on Wikipedia specifically. Googinber1234 (talk) 22:32, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Then you are a hopeless cause and not long for Wikipedia. I'll be moving along. --Izno (talk) 22:34, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
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