Talk:List of Japanese poetry anthologies

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Should Kojiki, Nihon Shoki, Fudoki and Shoku Nihongi really be included here? I feel that if we list all works that have some poems in them, this would be a very long list: Genji Monogatari, Tosa Diary,.... bamse (talk) 22:08, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Selective or complete list? I'd lean towards completeness, even if the list is lengthy. What is the advantage of an incomplete list? --gråb whåt you cån (talk) 22:20, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Complete is fine with me, but as far as I know, Kojiki, etc. are more often referred to as "histories" rather than "poetry anthologies". bamse (talk) 22:28, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point. Looking at the article as it stands, I believe only the first four list-items would fall outside a stricter definition of 'poetry anthology'? However, Tosa and Genji are surely red herrings, as they are each considered to be the work of a single author. --gråb whåt you cån (talk) 23:21, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that would be the first four items only. As for Tosa and Genji, not sure what you mean by red herring, there are also "private editions" in the list which are the work of a single author. bamse (talk) 07:10, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Any single-author collections should come out too, as anthology, in normal usage, implies multiple authorship - see http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anthology?r=75&src=ref&ch=dic --gråb whåt you cån (talk) 08:20, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The dictionary entry you linked to seems to have both, collections by various authors and by a single author. I remember reading the phrase "private anthology" referring to collections of a single author. I leave it up to you to decide whether to include these single author collections. bamse (talk) 10:46, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

True, but the default modern meaning of the word is that it include works by various authors. The list could become truly gigantic (and arguably less useful) if it were construed to include all single-author collections, and it would then make sense to move it to List of Japanese poetry collections. As it stands, I believe it makes sense to remove all single-author works, as well as those first four. I'll do the latter now, but I think you're better informed regarding which of each of the others are single-author. --gråb whåt you cån (talk) 23:03, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but I really don't know anything about the subject (not enough at least). I guess many/all of the entries mentioned under Private editions - Most of waka poets have their own anthology edited by self or by another. should be removed (but not sure). Also, based on its wikipedia article, Renri Hishō appears to be rather a scholarly work on poetry, i.e. it should be removed as well. bamse (talk) 23:22, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And a suggestion: Why not move up "Kanshi" to the top since those are kind of old? bamse (talk) 23:23, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]