Talk:John Terry/Archive 1

Archive 1

Lampard

What is the source for the statement that John Terry and Frank Lampard are COUSINS? Citrusjoie (talk) 15:46, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Football career

I would love to see this article edited to include *confirmed* rumors about his sudden disenchantment with Jose Mourinho. Reportedly, Terry became internally irate after the manager asked the Chelsea medical team if his poor performance was due to a physical injury. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.194.23.43 (talk) 20:31, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Early in his career Terry was involved in an unsavoury off-the-pitch incident

It's not really satisfactory to hint at this without any explanation. I understand that repeating the specific allegations made in the papers at the time would be unwise in a number of ways, but something as vague as the above is useless; encyclopedias exist to inform people, not merely hint at things they already know. Loganberry (Talk) 23:39, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Huddersfield

He spent a brief period on loan with Nottingham Forest in 2000 to build up his first team experience. While playing for Forest, Terry was spotted by then-Huddersfield Town manager Steve Bruce who bid £750,000 for the defender. Chelsea accepted the offer, but it fell through as Terry opted to remain with the Premier League club and learn his trade in the top division.

This is unlikely to be true, given that the quoted article says that Terry was rolling up his sleeves in January and he actually played 6 games for Forest in April and May 2000. Also, he pretty much went into the Chelsea first team after returning from Forest and I seem to remember Platt jokingly asking Vialli if Forest could have him permanently, knowing full well that it would be refused. If I can spare the time, I may well see if can dig out some old Forest articles about it and remove this. 82.3.84.101 (talk) 18:51, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

The above bit was written by me. Looking into this a little further, Bruce is quoted as saying that he signed Chris Lucketti instead of John Terry. However, this is palpable nonsense as Lucketti signed for Huddersfield before Terry was on loan at Forest (and according to Soccerbase, before Platt was even manager at NFFC). So, unless Mr Bruce has invented time travel and not told anyone yet, either the quotes splattered all over the place are wrong or his recollection of events is erroneous. I'm still quite new here, so I'm going to have a look at the original research policy before getting rid of this, but if anyone else has an interpretation, I'd welcome the input. Wizard of WestBridge (talk) 13:53, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Ok, rooted around a bit and found these:

http://www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10268~1436328,00.html

http://www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10268~2011501,00.html

So it's going. Wizard of WestBridge (talk) 15:45, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Numerous sources affirm that a move to Huddersfield was mooted while Bruce was manager, they just disagree as to why it fell through. Even Terry in that interview above states there was a bid from Huddersfield. I don't see why it needs to be removed. SteveO (talk) 18:05, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

My thinking was that if you take out the contradictory information (fee, timing and who rejected what) you're not left with much other than some speculation, reported several years after the event. I didn't think it was particularly relevant to include it as I'm sure that many clubs' interest in Terry has come to nothing. Anyway, if you think it's relevant I don't have a particular interest in keeping it out, as long as the entry doesn't contain any dubious statements. I'm rewording the part concerned to reflect this - let me know what you think. Wizard of WestBridge (talk) 17:17, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

This particular rumour did get a lot of coverage from a variety of sources, and they all seem in agreement that a bid was made, even if the other details are sketchy. It was meaningful enough for Terry to be asked about it years later. Your new reversion is fine by me. SteveO (talk) 16:44, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Champions Magazine No.14 article

It said that Terry came from West Ham United youth system, but fail to promote and he enter the Blues youth system.

It is intesting because none of the other article point out that, so can anyone find the fact and add into Wiki?Matthew hk 17:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)John Terry is really really cool n fit. From sxc Danni x

He joind chelsea at 14 though so its good

ISNT JOHN TERRY 186CM? also he didnt fail to promote he got poached i think man utd were after him and chelsea won the race for him

England captain

I think that as it's mentioned in the Steven Gerrard article it needs to be mentioned here seeing as they are considered the front runners for the role.

I also think it needs to be said that this article needs improvement both in writing and structure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthony Florister (talk • contribs)

Height

John Terry is 186 cm tall (that's his official height writen on the Chelsea's website).

World class

I think describing him as one of the worlds best is a little generous after his fairly dismal performances at interational tournaments and how suspect he can look against top class opposition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by UncleTheOne (talk • contribs)

which "dismal performances" would these be? John Terry is most definitely a World Class player and one of the worlds best. He's captain of the best team in the best league in the world as well as captain of one of the top 10 teams in the world. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who knows anything about football who would argue that Terry isn't world class. DJDannyP//Talk2Me 14:50, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Dismal was maybe a little harsh but he never imposed himself on games like he would at Chelsea. Unlike true world class defenders such as Fabio Cannavaro and Lillian Thuram. At Euro2004 he was truely awful, Campbell had to do the work of two defenders to cover up for him. The world class tag is thrown around all too freely. Best league in the world? Not watch any other football outside England then? Up until last week he was only Chelsea's second best centre back. Until he proves himself for England then he will only ever be a very good defender.—Preceding unsigned comment added by UncleTheOne (talk • contribs)

Acquittal

Why has no one mentioned his time with the wrong side of the law. Has everyone forgetton what the england captain did a few years back?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshc90 (talk • contribs)

If you're referring to the incident with the doorman, then the article does mention it. If you're referring to another incident then by all means add it, provided it is backed up with a reliable source. I also reverted your addition to the article. You may think Terry doesn't deserve the England captaincy, but this is not the place to air your views. SteveO 13:27, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Needs improving

This article needs editing heavily. If you look at some other pages for lesser defenders you see them applauded a lot more than JT is here, and he is easily one of the world's best defenders. England haven't had a good coach for about 20 years, so no wonder that form might be dodgy but even still it is a lot better than many other such wiki "world class" rate defenders. If you look at it for Chelsea in the champions league (known now to be a lot better than international) and the premiership, also now easily better than most international football, you can't but conclude he is a lot better than this article gives on. It is time to stop the games and make with the facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Synorbs (talk • contribs) 05:42, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

What are you saying needs to be added or changed? Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 16:13, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Picture

I took a fairly decent pic of him at the Bridge a couple seasons ago and I think it'd be better to have a pic of him in the Chelsea kit (albeit the old home kit). Sontailsic 02:42, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f290/NFSonty/JohnTerryduringamatchvsEvertonatSta.jpg

The current picture is alot clearer of his face. The kit of the team he plays for isn't so important as to be in the picture. JacќяМ ¿Qué? 02:17, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

It is to most people. John Terry is known among Chelsea fans as Mr.Chelsea, he's the heartbeat of the team and him wearing the kit would represent that better. Sontailsic 02:42, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

It's more important to see his face. It's about him, not him playing for chelsea. JacќяМ ¿Qué? 02:27, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with that. But his identity right now is 'Captain of Chelsea and England', surely a picture of him in the Chelsea strip would fulfil tht identity? It's not like you cannot see his face anyway. But if other people feel the same that's cool, I just think it'd be better to have him in a Chelsea kit.Sontailsic 02:42, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

How about adding the picture later on in the article? I'm sure you could find somewhere where it would be more suited :) Also, please sign your comments with ~~~~ JacќяМ ¿Qué? 02:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok, good idea, although I don't really wanna edit it in in case I managed to make a mess of it :P Sontailsic 02:42, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, upload your image to Wikipedia using Wikipedia:Upload. When you have, choose where you want it, and put [[Image:Image-name|thumb|right or left(depending which side you want it on)]]. If not, you can tell me the image name and i'll add it for you :) JacќяМ ¿Qué? 02:46, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

You're best of doing it mate, I'm a bit too new to editing Wiki pages to be messing around with that. Sontailsic 03:00, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Do you want me to upload it? I'm sure you could get through uploading it, just follow the simple instructions on Wikipedia:Upload. When you have, or if you can't, reply here, or on my talk page. JacќяМ ¿Qué? 03:02, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:John_Terry_during_a_match_vs_Everton_at_Stamford_Bridge_in_2006.jpg Sontailsic 03:07, 31 July 2007 (UTC) Ok, i added it, check the article. Feel free to add a little extra info the picture caption, such as who he's playing against. JacќяМ ¿Qué? 03:12, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Chinese descent?

I've found nothing to substantiate the claim that John Terry is of partial Chinese descent. What's the source for this claim? Chaitanya 05:30, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Mourinho

John Terry has been linked to the "mutually agreed parting of ways" between Jose Mourinho and Chelsea. There were numerous news reports, which were never denied by either person, that John Terry, in his capacity as captain of the team, reported to Paul Kenyon that manager Jose Mourinho is "lost control of the team", thus facilitating Mourinho's exodus by the Board. -The Gnome (talk) 19:26, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

A one man 'exodus'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.213.157 (talk) 17:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

You are right. I forgot that the term "exodus", in English, has come to mean "a departure or emigration, usually of a large number of people". I should have used "forced exit". (It was the Board and not Mourinho who brought about the "mutual parting of ways".) -The Gnome (talk) 21:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

First international goal at Wembley

Terry was not the first person to score an international goal at new wembley, it was an italian for a U-21 match between England and Italy. Terry was the first person in a senior squad to score. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.227.114 (talk) 21:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Nickname/quote

I added the nickname "Bionic Man" as well as adding a quote from Avram Grant giving Terry this nickname 77.99.186.110 (talk) 19:52, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Goals

It says that John Terry scored 986 league goals for Chelsea. He only has 235 caps. Somebody might want to find the actual number and fix it. 11:33 9 March 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Otaku-jin (talk • contribs) 15:34, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Terry scored in the 2009/2010 FA Cup quarterfinal in March 2010 against Stoke City. Why is this not in the statistics box? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.165.78 (talk) 21:28, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

No mention of..

his attitude and hypocrisy towards referees. He acts like a referee himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.186.110 (talk) 01:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Most famous for...

Surely in the opening paragraph there should be something saying he is most famous for missing the crucial penalty for Chelsea against Manchester United in the champions league final. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.17.45.231 (talk) 17:05, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

No, becuase it is opinion as to whether it is what he is best known for. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 16:13, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Rugby tackling?

"sent of for rugby-tackling Jo"... I don't think that was strictly true somehow... --86.10.126.180 (talk) 00:54, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

No mention of..

that transsexual that was a dead ringer for Terry? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.253.231 (talk) 03:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Photos

Any thoughts of using these photos as the main one? First one May Have to crop out the fan so not much of Terry will be left. Slightly blurred. Any thoughts? --DFS454 (talk) 16:51, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

FA Cup 2009

Add the 2009 FA Cup to the honours section! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.169.124.145 (talk • contribs) 21:07, May 30, 2009

I've added that in for you. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:27, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Photo captions

Any chance someone can change the caption by the picture under personal life. The picture of him at the Blackburn game with his children, Summer Rose is definitely a girl, yet the caption says John Terry and his boys. His twins would be more accurate! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.237.65.20 (talk) 22:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Someone has changed it to "...with his children.", which resolves that nicely. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 19:39, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Caps

Terry has made 53 international appearances for England. Can someone please fix this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.111.181.174 (talk) 15:54, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Can you let me know where I can find the information. (Off2riorob (talk) 12:49, 10 August 2009 (UTC))

The John Terry profile on the FA website shows 53 cap. I'll update it. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 19:35, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Now updated to 54 after the game against the Netherlands this week. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 19:27, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Paul Terry

Could you change Paul Terry's current club to "Conference National side Grays Athletic" please? He's just been signed by them today (Monday 10th August). Cheers! JP

I've done this for you. :-) --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 20:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Typo?

Can Jermaine (sic) Defoe be corrected in the early paragraphs? I know it's a redirect to the correct spelling as is, but doesn't give off a good image with typos. Thanks 78.151.176.62 (talk)

Sorted! Thanks for spotting it. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 19:23, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Harry Cox

I have edited out this reference which has been marked up for some months as requiring a citation "His great-grandfather, Harry Cox, was a noted traditional folk singer, featured in Lomax interviews."

Harry Cox was a friend of my daughter's godfather in Norfolk, there seems no local tradition of a relationship to John Terry. Harry's only child to survive infancy as far as I know was Myrtle, she married Lenny Helsdon. A bit of cursory research suggests the names of John Terry's great grandparents were TERRY, WILLING, POWELL, CHESTER, CHURCH, LEWIS(?), BELL and HENESSEY(?). I will make a similar edit on Harry Cox's page. IainWallace (talk) 01:03, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Controversies

Terry was exposed of giving tours of the Chelsea grounds to paying outsiders at a cost of 10,000 pounds. His share, 8,000 pounds, he alleges gets donated to charity, while 2,000 pounds goes to his "acting" agent, Tony Bruce, who organizes the gig.Prizby (talk) 01:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1246925/Court-gagging-order-soccer-stars-secret-affair.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.170.123.110 (talk) 05:03, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

um, so what?--EchetusXe 09:35, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Update individual honours

He is a member of the 2009 UEFA Team Of The Year —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.229.239.73 (talk) 08:07, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Affair

There's not nearly enough written about Mr Terry's alledged affair in this article. All the reader is informed is that an injuction was lifted which allowed newspapers to report it, there's no information on what actually happened, nor is there any mention of the massive media storm and following calls for him to be stripped of his captaincy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.36.199 (talk) 10:59, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I certainly agree that it is lacking in the mention of the media storm, so I'll add something on that. Not sure whether more details of the affair itself should be added, because people do have affairs - the notable aspect here is the tabloid reaction.--A bit iffy (talk) 10:37, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I've now added something (see diff). But I'm wondering: is it fair to Capello (does it imply Capello was only reacting to the media coverage)?--A bit iffy (talk) 11:00, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

...also maybe his dad of the tear is under retraction, and its mentioned that he is a professional football player, however, i believe this week he now considers this profession to just be "a player" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.90.109 (talk) 13:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

The coverage of the current relationship brouhaha is spot on. Congratulations to the collective Wikipedia editor for keeping it simple and focused on implications for John Terry the footballer, John Terry the England (ex-)captain etc. Perhaps more gossipy stuff has been added and taken out, but either way I'm proud to be part of this community. Earthlyreason (talk) 06:30, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Quote

Anyone want to get this in, regarding his personal life?

"I've never cheated on her or anything like that. I never would. I can look you in the eye and tell you that. There's been stories out there that I've cheated on her but I certainly haven't - I love her to bits... With me saying I'm a loyal person, that goes with my girlfriend as well as with Chelsea." The Observer, 2006

80.225.132.131 (talk) 18:24, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

This goes to his character and should be in. Bridgeplayer (talk) 02:43, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia not a gossip mag, its got nothing to do with the major life story events of Terry,. Off2riorob (talk) 02:50, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Any encyclopedia worth its salt goes beyond the events to analyse the character and attitudes of the subject. This is not gossip; it is contrasting Terry's statements with his actions. At the moment there is a whole slew of issues that are reliably sourced that are not in, but should be. Bridgeplayer (talk) 04:02, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

You mean like, look he said he would never cheat on his wife and three years later he slept with a colleagues wife, that helps analytic understanding of him as a person, wow..that reveals he is just like millions of other people, the article about her has already been deleted as she is not notable, I am of the opinion that such trivia is unworthy of insertion, and she allegedly killed his fetus and he won her in a card game. Off2riorob (talk) 06:34, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Perroncel's article hasn't been deleted - it is a redirect to Wayne Bridge, and has no prior editing history. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 17:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

The abortion info has been removed on the basis of it being disputed, but to the best of my knowledge the only person who denies the abortion happened is Perroncel's best friend. The Mail is considered a reliable source; it states the abortion happened. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 17:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Height

John Terry is written as 6 foot 1/2 inch (1.87m), 1.87m is not the same as 6 foot 1/2 inch. It should say 6 foot 2 inch instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.138.110.127 (talk) 13:00, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

His height is correctly written in metres as 1.87 but incorrectly written as 6ft 1/2inch. This can be checked with the chealsea website. 175.138.254.254 (talk) 04:21, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Correction required

"On 3 October 2010, The News of the World printed an apology to Miss Perroncel for invading her private life, and accepted that the claims against Terry and her were untrue."

this is not what the article says - it states the NOTW apologised for printing Miss Perroncel's *personal details* and that it was these details, not the allegations, which were 'largely untrue'. It is not the allegations themselves - which have been confirmed by Perroncel in other tabloids - which are untrue. The wording of this article makes out that the NOTW was totally wrong - please correct this 81.96.245.225 (talk) 16:39, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

The source is unclear as to what exactly the newspapers admitted was untrue. Jim Michael (talk) 00:56, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from reliable source

Date: May 3, 2011. Time: 12:50

Please add to 'Personal Life':

"Terry revealed in a 2005 interview that he has to go through 50 superstitious rituals before each game."

Source, with quotes from John Terry:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2005/08/13/john-terry-exclusive-superstitions-i-have-about-50-115875-15852619/

Thank you.

83.244.128.162 (talk) 11:51, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Done — Bility (talk) 15:45, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

nearly swallowed his tongue

It is impossible to swallow your tongue, it may have nearly blocked his airway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.147.20 (talk) 11:47, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Soumyagame8, 29 August 2011

Height given is wrong ; he is 6 ft 1 inch (187 cm) Soumyagame8 (talk) 09:57, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

This needs a source.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:17, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

The article has him as 187 cm. and 74 inches which is 6ft 2in. 187 centimeters = 73.6220472 inches according to the google calculator. Apparently the template for the conversion on Wikipedia rounds up to the 74 inches. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 10:20, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Removing mention of parental brushes with the law

I've removed mention of these incidents. To focus on the older Terrys being petty crooks without mentioning anything to do with what sort of relationship they have with JT, stikes me as a case of WP:COATRACK. This was especially so given that the version I removed talks about the father being "exposed" as a drug dealer without mentioning the sentencing judges criticism of the NotW's sting operation and how the crime would never have happenned without their setting Terry senior up.--Peter cohen (talk) 18:04, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

without being john terry's dad, the case wold have received no news coverage. further, ost news outlets reported it alongside pictures of and reporting on terry himself. the two are heavily and inextricably interlinked. case of WP:THESE'S ALWAYS ON WHICH CAN JUSTIFY MY BIAS OR CENSORSHIP 81.96.245.225 (talk) 16:32, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

'without their setting Terry senior up' somewhat notes the bias of the above editor. the point made by 81.96.245.225 is very valid in this case Jw2036 (talk) 11:10, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Family and personal life

To have this section omitting most of the - heavily cited - negative press coverage about this player, whilst including the positive column inches like his 'Dad of the Year' award and autobiography income is frankly laughable and a gross violation of WP:NPOV.

For the article to include the Peroncel affair but not, for example, the court case for the doorman attack (leading to his highly publicised omission from an England squad) is frankly totally contradictory; either get rid of the lot (which would render this article seriously deficient) or include it.

All of the incidents involving his family members are valid since they were only notable through Terry - the BBC article on his father's cocaine conviction begins 'John Terry's dad...' for example.

As had been noted above and not corrected, various papers apologised for breeching Peroncel's privacy - they did NOT, as this article previously claimed, apologise to Terry or refute any of the allegations made or reports about the superinjunction.

I've endeavored to correct this and put as many citations from reputable sources rather than scandal rags as possible Jw2036 (talk) 10:59, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

What Terry's parents do is not relevant to this article, since none of it involves him. They aren't independently notable people, and I see no need to mention what they've done on their son's page. SteveO (talk) 15:57, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes dont think a bunch of articles about his parents will be useful, but more sources to balance out his public image are certaintly neccessary. You should also propose some changes to the article itself where the opinion is rather slanted.Millertime246 (talk) 16:06, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 6 November 2011

Please add to the article that Terry did NOT stand to profit from giving stadium tours. Even the NOTW article said that he intended his £8000 share to go to Make a Wish charity for terminally ill children.[1]

86.178.30.27 (talk) 16:52, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

The article makes clear that this claim - made by the now defunct News of the World in December 2009 - was denied by both John Terry and CFC. Some more sourcing on this here.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:08, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Anti smoking campaign

'John Terry' image appears in India anti-smoking drive is in the news at the moment. There are conflicting reports about whether it is intended to be him, but his management is not pleased.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:43, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Video footage

Having looked and read a bit in to the video footage, am I right that all that's apparently available is side footage of his face without any audio (of him speaking)? My assumption when I first read our description is the video footage included some audio (perhaps unclear or poor quality), not that the allegations were made relying solely on side on lip reading. (I presume we don't actually know what evidence the CPS has, whether it's just this or more.) Nil Einne (talk) 11:12, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 May 2012

Please change "Terry is Chelsea's most successful captain, having led them to three Premier League titles, three FA Cups and two League Cups since 2004." To "Terry is Chelsea's most successful captain, having led them to three Premier League titles, four FA Cups and two League Cups since 2004."

Evidence: http://www.thefa.com/TheFACup/News/2012/May/chelsea-liverpool-final-report-050512

94.169.119.129 (talk) 15:06, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

I changed it.   TRBP  talk  18:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Alright, then marking as Done elektrikSHOOS (talk) 23:55, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 June 2012

In the career statistics table,the total appearances reads 537 whereas it actually is 547.. I did my research and heres where the mistakes arise..
1.season 1998-99:the appearances are totalled wrong-it shows 6 instead of 7(2+3+1+1)
2.The table doesnt show community shield appearances which is another reason for the discrepancy..i suggest either adding a community shield column or mentioning below that the stats do not include the community shield appearances..season 2005-06 should show a community shield appearance..
3.season 2006-07 also has been totalled wrong-it shows 46 instead of 44(28+4+2+10)..but here again the correct total would be 45 as there was a community shield appearance
4.season 2008-09 has a mistake in the FA cup column..the correct number of appearances is 4 but it shows 2 and hence the total appearances for the season would be 51 and not 49
5.season 2009-10 FA cup appearances shows 4 instead of 5 and again there is a totaling error here it shows 46 but should be 51(37+5+1+8)counting the correction in the FA cup..also in the same season a community shield appearance must be accounted for in the table or mentioned below..
6.2010-11 also should have a community shield appearance..

If these errors are changed then the correct total appearances would be 547 and not 537.. i collected the data from: http://www.chelseafc.com/page/PlayerProfileDetail/0,,10268~5593,00.html http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/8931/john-terry?cc=4716 I kindly request you to make the changes.. thank you.. Siddharths1995 (talk) 15:48, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Done Thank you for helping to improve Wikipedia! Mdann52 (talk) 17:38, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Recent comments

Please can we have no more comments calling Terry a Twat, Wanker, Arsehole, Knobhead, Bellend etc... They're probably true but its not the policy of Wikipedia to judge a person's character. Thanks --86.21.136.74 (talk) 19:05, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Date of acquittal shows "June 13", should be July 13. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.0.85.140 (talk) 13:44, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 July 2012

Please remove the word Racist from the first line of the John Terry article.

First line Quote: "John George Terry (born 7 December 1980) is a racist English professional footballer"

To be replaced with: "John George Terry (born 7 December 1980) is an English professional footballer"

195.50.96.14 (talk) 13:55, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Done, removed. This vandalism was inserted by User:Intimidated, who has been warned. Robofish (talk) 14:09, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 July 2012

what right have you got to brand john terry as a racist on a page seen by so many,especially now he has been proven innocent,wouldyou like to be labelled with something that you were just accused of?.putting that on this page is nothing short of disgusting — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.236.225.196 (talk) 13:59, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

This was vandalism and has been removed. See above. Robofish (talk) 14:09, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately for John Terry the Football Association of England has not cleared him yet, so saying he's been unfairly branded as racist could be premature.--86.21.136.74 (talk) 19:42, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

left England

its just been announced he's retired from international football so we're going to need to get this up on the page ASAP he left because of the racial abuse charges please anyone who knows more get editing http://news.sky.com/story/988676/john-terry-quits-england-before-fa-hearing see that for the latest Tincanmansiimon (talk) 21:06, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit in 2012-12 Season

The last line that says that the injury is not serious, isn't really true. The injury was serious enough to keep him out for 6 weeks. Rhic Chowdhury (talk) 12:29, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

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John Terry celebration meme

I'm giving this a bit of thought and feel, having lasted this long, the internet meme John Terry kicked off with his celebration of Chelsea's Champion's League triumph last season has been widely reported and is notable enough to mention perhaps as a contribution to popular culture.

I notice the incident itself merits mentioning in the article but the meme and how it has spread and been reported has not.

There are a good few sources:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/chelsea-captain-john-terry-centre-of-viral-craze-after-uefa-champions-league-celebrations/story-e6frf423-1226363042887#.UOZNMc-weBt

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2147522/John-Terry-lampooned-online-Chelsea-captain-lifted-Champions-League-trophy-kit-shinpads-despite-banned-final.html

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/champions-league/internet-pranksters-target-limelightloving-john-terry-after-champions-league-win-3115491.html

http://www.empireonline.com/empireblogs/words-from-the-wise/post/p1235

Also this inident where Terry is lampooned by a Sligo Rovers fan: http://metro.co.uk/2012/10/27/john-terry-shows-up-to-celebrate-sligo-rovers-irish-league-title-win-608417/#ixzz2BxNanM96

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I would suggest adding the line:

"this led to a popular internet meme lampooning Terry's behaviour." with a reference from above.

Also a section

In Popular Culture

Immediately after Terry's celebration with his Chelsea teammates after their 2012 UEFA Champions League Final victory a popular internet meme lampooning his behaviour appeared on the internet, becoming one of the most popular online jokes in 2012. Terry has been pictured taking part in great moments in history and fiction. These included the fall of the Berlin Wall, the freeing of Nelson Mandela and the triumph of Rocky Balboa. Over the summer of 2012 this developed into his celebrating current sporting achievements such as 2012 Olympics medal wins by Team GB.

The joke reached its height when in October 2012, a Sligo Rovers fan donned a John Terry mask and full Chelsea kit, invading the pitch. He was photographed celebrating with his team winning the 2012 League of Ireland.

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so what do my fellow wikians reckon?

Omar418 (talk) 04:18, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 May 2013

John terry goals 50 501 apps

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Honours

Champions League and Europa Cup achievements - Why does the article say Terry won both competitons? In football, you are only considered as being a 'winner' if you were part of the final match day squad. As Terry was suspended for the former, and injured for the later, he would not of recieved an official medal (but had to of requested one to be made) and is therefore not considered an official winner. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.146.36 (talk) 06:57, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

You've included a lot of nonsense in there. Narom (talk) 22:26, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Paul Terry

Mentioned in personal life as a 'professional' footballer for Thurrock F.C. Firstly, he (Paul) ha retired; secondly, Thurrock are not a professional side (Isthmian League). Could someone please edit accordingly? --82.41.251.96 (talk) 17:07, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

The 'sarcasm defence'.

In relation to the racial abuse allegations, John Terry's defence in court became known as the 'sarcasm defence'. [Natasha Henry The Observer, Saturday 14 July 2012 19.05 BST] He claimed that he was only “sarcastically repeating” a racist slur that Ferdinand mistakenly thought he had used [...Jul 11, 2012 07:07 By Mirror Football] [www.telegraph.co.uk/.../John-Terry-trial-He-should-not-be-in-court-says- Ashley-Cole.html
 11 Jul 2012 ... He denies a racially aggravated public order offence, saying that he was sarcastically repeating the slur that Ferdinand mistakenly thought he had used.][“merely repeating it in a sarcastic manner” Video report by ITV News' Juliet Bremner]According to Duncan Perry, the counsel for the prosecution, Terry's case was that the offending words were “uttered by way of sarcastic exclamation" in response to a "perceived false accusation made by Mr Ferdinand to the effect that he, the defendant, had used the term 'black cunt' ". [Caroline Davies The Guardian, Monday 9 July 2012 20.54 BST] Kiwicherryblossom (talk) 16:58, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

I added the content... see Terry maintained that he used the words as a form of sarcasm and that he was questioning what he thought had been an allegation of racism from Ferdinand and a reference. Thanks. Starship.paint (talk) 03:20, 20 December 2013 (UTC).

Thanks. Much appreciated. I wonder if it might be useful to include a couple of the references? ....Also, there's a slight but possibly significant inaccuracy in the statement that an Independent Regulatory Commission "labelled Terry's defence as "improbable, implausible and contrived""...... In the Commission's written ruling at 7.8 it says, "There are then further aspects of Mr. Terry‟s defence that the Commission finds improbable, implausible and contrived ..." They are not referring to Terry's defence as a whole but to specific aspects of it. For example, the "improbable" in the phrase "improbable, implausible and contrived" refers specifically to the Commission's view (in a nutshell) that it was "improbable" that John Terry would have sworn at someone who had falsely accused him of racism. (7.8 (i)) .... Maybe replace with "labelled aspects of Terry's defence as "improbable, implausible and contrived"? Kiwicherryblossom (talk) 20:11, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

I already added this as a reference, and I don't think more are necessary to cite that he used sarcasm, one is enough. Added in the "aspects of..", thanks. Starship.paint (talk) 04:11, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I hadn't spotted the Mirror reference. You're right, one is enough. Thanks for adding the "aspects of". Kiwicherryblossom (talk) 15:50, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to propose that the last paragraph of the section 'Racial abuse allegations', featuring a quote from the Daily Telegraph be completely removed as it appears to conflict with Wikipedia's NPOV policy. It is an opinion piece by sports journalist Paul Hayward, but is cited as an apparently neutral summing up of the consequences of the incident and therefore dresses up opinion as fact. It is not a fact, for example, that the incident "shed more light on the fantasy world of Ashley Cole". It is, of course, reasonable to suppose that the incident and its consequences "inflicted much distress on the Ferdinand family"; but that is also likely to be true for the Terry family. In addition, Paul Hayward's expressed view that "black" is a "vile" word is (I hope) not one that most people would share. Kiwicherryblossom (talk) 20:29, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Highest scorer of all time?

In the 2013-14 section, it states that John Terry is the highest scorer of all time for a defender. I assume this should read "the highest-scoring defender in the history of the Premier League", but some sort of reference would be good to have.ScarabusHigh (talk) 21:09, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 March 2014

Terry scored his 55th goal against Everton on the 93rd minute. 82.43.186.94 (talk) 18:03, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

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Honours

John Terry should not have UEFA Champions League 2011-12 and UEFA Europa League 2012-13 in his list of honours as he did not take part in either final nor was he listed as a substitute. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stu71 (talk • contribs)

He should definately have the honours as he participated in the tournament. Just beacuse he missed finals does not mean he did not participate. QED237 (talk) 13:27, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 October 2014

2014-15 Season

On 18 October 2014 Terry captained Chelsea for the 500th time against Crystal Palace F.C.

Cfc4ever26 (talk) 02:18, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Not done Do you have any source to support that? QED237 (talk) 10:30, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Yep sorry forgot that - On 18 October 2014 Terry captained Chelsea for the 500th time against Crystal Palace F.C. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cfc4ever26 (talk • contribs) 18:36, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

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References

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2014 addition to 2014/15 season

On 21 October Terry scored in Chelsea's record Champions League win against NK Maribor

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26th minute

I've edited the section about him leaving the pitch in his last game on the 26th minute. I know its symbolic but its technically wrong. The board went up when the clock read 26:xx, which is the 27th minute (0.xx being the first minute) and according to the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39912027 '28' Substitution, Chelsea. Gary Cahill replaces John Terry.') Terry left the pitch on the 28th minute. I'm sure someone will edit it back to 26th minute but it'd be wrong. I'd suggest putting 'after the 26th minute' if anything, to be technically correct. brob (talk) 17:36, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

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Proposed removal of 'runner-up' awards in Honours

I would like to propose the removal of the runner-up medals received from the honours section of the article. Similarly decorated players such as Frank Lampard, Petr Čech, Paul Scholes, Steven Gerrard, Ronaldinho etc. do not have such honours listed as they are vastly insignificant in comparison to the major honours won. Comparatively, it would be appropriate for a player like Dean Ashton to have runner-up medals included, as it is arguably the greatest major honour achievement in his career. Formulaonewiki (talk) 13:52, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Just because those articles don't include them *at present* doesn't mean they shouldn't. To say runner-ups should only be included for less successful players is too subjective for an encyclopedia, IMO. They should be notable in their own right, irrespective of "proper" honours. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:17, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request 31 May 2018

In the Aston Villa subsection, please change "in Championship play-off" to "in the Championship play-off final", and link it to 2018 English Football League play-offs or 2018 English Football League play-offs#Championship. --95.44.50.222 (talk) 09:50, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done - Thank you, the link and which part of the play-offs as you said have been completed. Iggy (Swan) 15:03, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2019

International career !-- State UNAMBIGUOUSLY your suggested changes below this line, preferably in a "change X to Y" format. Other editors need to know what to add or remove. Blank edit requests will be declined. -->

Although John Terry has been announced for the retirement. However, John Terry’s career has not been without soccer. In 2019, he has signed a flourish deal with BK8.com and this is "John Terry 1st brand ambassador of Asian betting major". sportzpower. 23 February 2019.Extend to this, BK8 has given out 888,888.88 prize pool to his registered member as "A big welcome to BK8.com ambassador John Terry". calvinayre. 18 February 2019. The agreement grants BK8.com the exclusive marketing rights to John Terry as Brand Ambassador for all the Group' s marketing campaigns and advertising platforms in which he will appear across its major businesses, throughout Asia. On 19th Feb, The brand manager Lawrance Wayneson is glad to announce that "BK8.com ropes in John Terry as Brand Ambassador". Europeangaming. 19 February 2019."John Terry joins BK8.com as first brand ambassador". Casinobeats. 18 February 2019. and mentioned to the press that there will be a series of program and activity will involve John Terry which its reputation and standing is enhanced and has leading to greater competitiveness. Nickyycc (talk) 04:29, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2020

Could you please change the following, under Style of Play: While some pundits, such as Chris Wright of ESPN, Tom Sheen of The Independent or Robin Bairner of Goal.com, have cited Terry's technique as a weakness, due to his lack of elegance in possession and his reluctance to carry the ball out from the back...

I am Tom Sheen and I've not said his technique is a weakness, if you read the article cited (https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/john-terry-captained-chelsea-for-the-500th-time-on-saturday-but-is-he-the-best-centre-back-of-the-9806372.html) you will see that I wrote... Terry has always been perceived as a bit of a plodder when on the ball, because he doesn't bring the ball out of defence, but he is an exceptionally two-footed footballer. Watch him closely during a game and Terry will show off a range of passing with either foot. Playing on the left side of the defence for much of his career, he is as adept with his left as he is with his right.

Could you please remove my name from the top paragraph and perhaps add in: Tom Sheen of The Independent noted that Terry was an "exceptionally two-footed footballer", one who is "as adept with his left as he is with his right".

Thank you very much and keep up the great work

Tom 85.210.178.139 (talk) 19:53, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@Messirulez: You might want to action this. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:33, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

I've fixed it now! Best, Messirulez (talk) 14:16, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Infobox phot

This photo MUST be replaced. It looks extraordinarily ridiculous and has aged well beyond its expiration date. I am sure we can find consensus for even a slightly more current photo. Krazytea(talk) 20:55, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Controversies

Does anybody else think that there should be a "controversies" section on this article? I think that piping the wife of one of his best friends, allegedly calling Anton Ferdinand some things I'm probably not allowed to say here, throwing food at American tourists after 9/11 and assaulting a bartender, all to quite a lot of media attention, probably warrants a section in the article. I think all of the controversial stuff from "personal life" should be moved there. Crystalpalace6810 (talk) 18:22, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

See WP:CSECTION. Wikipedia articles generally shouldn't have sections headed "Criticism", "Controversy" or similar, particularly in BLPs. If an incident is worth mentioning, it should be integrated into the main body of the text.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 20:35, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Would "public image" be a better name?

Crystalpalace6810 (talk) 16:12, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

It's a better idea, but it is still probably the preferred style to have it in the main body of the text.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 12:25, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2023

Change appearances for Chelsea from 492 to 717. 2600:4040:2A01:7800:CCE5:47DA:D35:5A0E (talk) 20:11, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

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