Talk:Israeli invasion of Syria (2024–present)
This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Israeli invasion of Syria (2024–present) article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
Archives: 1, 2Auto-archiving period: 3 days |
Warning: active arbitration remedies The contentious topics procedure applies to this article. Parts of this article relate to the Arab–Israeli conflict, which is a contentious topic. Furthermore, the following rules apply when editing the parts of the page related to the contentious topic:
Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page. If it is unclear which parts of the page are related to this contentious topic, the content in question should be marked within the wiki text by an invisible comment. If no comment is present, please ask an administrator for assistance. If in doubt it is better to assume that the content is covered. |
WARNING: ACTIVE COMMUNITY SANCTIONS The article Israeli invasion of Syria (2024–present), along with other pages relating to the Syrian Civil War and ISIL, is designated by the community as a contentious topic. The current restrictions are:
Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be sanctioned.
|
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to multiple WikiProjects. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article has been viewed enough times in a single week to appear in the Top 25 Report. The week in which this happened: |
On 1 25 December 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from 2024 Israeli invasion of Syria to Israeli invasion of Syria (2024–present). The result of the discussion was moved. |
|
||
This page has archives. Sections older than 3 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III. |
Minor Edit Request
[edit]In the last paragraph of the Background section it says "...launched a major offensive against the Syrian regime led by Bashar al-Assad." This could confuse some into the thinking that the offensive was led by Assad and not the regime and should be changed to "...launched a major offensive against the Bashar al-Assad led Syrian regime." Fyukfy5 (talk) 10:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Edit Request
[edit]The last paragraph of the current events tab says that at least 11 syrians were killed in an airstrike. The source for that mentions 2 different sources, one says at least 11 the other says 6. The sentence should be changed to reflect that it's not known, either "multiple people" or something along the lines of "at least 6" Fyukfy5 (talk) 22:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Al-Mayadeen, the second of two different sources cited and the one which said 6, ended up raising the number to 11.[1] However, I removed the term "at least" before 11, given 11 is the highest figure we have, and both SOHR or Al-Mayadeen never used the term "at least" in reference to the 11 figure anyway. UncleBourbon (talk)
Civilian casualties
[edit]There's currently only one source for civilian casualties; an SOHR report describing 1 killed. The casualties have been updated since the start of the invasion/bombing without adding additional sources, with the current casualties being listed as 18. However, checking all the SOHR reports I could find pertaining to the Israeli invasion/bombing, I've only been able to find at most 4 – ~14 civilian deaths; 1 being the originally cited example[2], 2 being victims of an airstrike in Daraa[3], 1 more under similar circumstances to the originally cited incident[4], and then 11 people, 'most' of them civilians, were killed by an explosion at a weapons depot near Rif Dimashq, although it's unclear if it was an Israeli airstrike or an accidental detonation of old ordnance.[5] Even if all casualties from the Rif Dimashq explosion were counted as Israeli-caused deaths and civilians, that would still only account for 14 of the 18 deaths stated. It's possible I've missed 4 deaths in trying to scan through all SOHR reports, however for now I'm going to change the civilian deaths to 4, given the uncertainty around the Rif Damishq explosion. If the user(s) who initially added the 4 unaccounted for casualties can find the SOHR reports that cover them, then they can cite them before re-adding. I'd also be willing to hear opinions about how to list the Rif Dimashq explosion if at all; if it is to be listed, I'd suggest '4 – ~14 civilians killed, 1 – 5 soldiers killed,' to account for the deaths being 'mostly' civilian.UncleBourbon (talk) 11:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Source on the Southern Operations Room
[edit]The article currently lists the Southern Operations Room as a unit involved, but has a "citation needed" template next to it. Here are a couple of sources that could be cited for their involvement:
- Al Nofal, Walid (10 December 2024). "'Decades to rebuild': Israel grabs land and wipes out Syria's arsenal". Translated by Nelson, Mateo. Syria Direct. Retrieved 3 January 2025.
- Levine, Abraham (30 December 2024). "The Northern Arena and the Shiite Axis – Weekly Review of Events and Key Data (16-22 Dec.)". Alma Research and Education Center. Retrieved 3 January 2025.
95m95 (talk) 00:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your recommendations. I've added the Syria Direct source given Syria Direct has it's own wikipedia page, but not the Alma source as it lacks one, and I'm unsure of it's reliability off-hand. I've instead opted for an article from The Times of Israel that essentially says the same thing (Southern Operations Room in control of the border; first established during the rebel offensive), minus the date of establishment. UncleBourbon (talk) 06:44, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
References
[edit]- ^ "أكثر من 10 شهداء في غارة إسرائيلية على مدينة عدرا الصناعية في سوريا". Al Mayadeen. 29 December 2024.
- ^ "Amid military escalation: Israeli forces invade Al-Qunaitrah countryside, shoot young man dead and arrest civilians". SOHR. 8 December 2024.
- ^ "Destroying Syrian weaponry: Israel targets weapon depots and military checkpoints of former regime kil*ling two civilians in Daraa". SOHR. 9 December 2024.
- ^ "Rif Dimashq: Young man shot dead by Israeli forces in western Rif Dimashq". SOHR. 11 December 2024.
- ^ "Rif Dimashq: Loud explosions hit Tal Al-Shahem military area in south-western Damascus". SOHR. 2 January 2025.
- Wikipedia articles under general sanctions
- C-Class Israel-related articles
- Low-importance Israel-related articles
- WikiProject Israel articles
- Start-Class military history articles
- Start-Class Middle Eastern military history articles
- Middle Eastern military history task force articles
- Start-Class Post-Cold War articles
- Post-Cold War task force articles
- C-Class Syria articles
- Low-importance Syria articles
- WikiProject Syria articles
- Pages in the Wikipedia Top 25 Report