Talk:Ismail Haniyeh/Archive 1
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Jihad Against Usurpers?
"We will never recognize the usurper Zionist government and will continue our jihad-like movement until the liberation of Jerusalem." This is a highly provocative quote, and the link given for it (http://www.forbes.com/technology/ebusiness/feeds/ap/2006/12/08/ap3240289.html) doesn't work. Furthermore, it practically contradict other statements made in another interview (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/24/AR2006022402317_pf.html). Can someone either verify the accuracy or remove the quote? --Queenrani 23:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Never mind, found it here. Can someone please replace the citation (#10) with this? i don't know how. --Queenrani 23:06, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
incarceration
"he was incarcerated for three years by Israeli authorities because of his continued role in leading the resistance movement"...somehow I'm guessing that's not the way the Israelis put it at the time...were there official charges against him in connection with any particular incident? Dsol 11:36, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Being a "moderate"...
Is he known to support the Hamas idea for a generation-long cease-fire? If so, it should probably be noted in the article. Zocky | picture popups 14:00, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Better photo would be good
See [1] or [2]--68.214.59.199 05:31, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- There's also this one. Feel free. I think you need to register an account in order to upload, though. El_C 05:38, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Jumping the gun?
This article (and the current main page news box) says Haniya "is" the Prime Minister (actually I think the main page says, in news-speak present-tense, that he "succeeds" as PM but that amounts to the same thing.) Now, I am a little hazy on exactly how parliamentary systems work, but doesn't he actually have to present a government to the parliament (whatever it is called in this case) and have it approved, before he takes office as Prime Minister? To my understanding, all that has happened is that Hamas has designated him to be the Prime Minister and that the "president" has formally asked him to form a government. Those events mean that he will be Prime Minister, but he isn't yet. Am I incorrect? 6SJ7 14:41, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- You are right. He is not the PM, at least, yet. Please do not put wrong facts. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.132.3.7 (talk • contribs) 22:31, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- He is officially the Prime Minister-designate. El_C 07:36, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Re: being a moderate
A long-term ceasefire is what Hamas calls a "hudna." look up the article here on wikipedia; it may just mean that for non-muslim enemies, there can be a period of calm and quiet while the muslims are 'weak.'
Haniya seems like a pragmatist in comparison to other leaders because he knows what terms to avoid and what americans want to hear. He is rooted in Hamas' radical ideology and is not a moderate.
see also interview with Haniya with Washington post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/24/AR2006022402317_pf.html
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.249.117.74 (talk • contribs) 10:31, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Ismail Haniyeh email address
can we add Ismail Haniyeh's email (removed) base on the email that was published in the Guardian? http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1743628,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.102.132 (talk • contribs) 13:01, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Not unless he signs himself up for a WP account and posts it on his user page (and even then, we'd probably have to ask permission). My email address can be found relatively easily with a quick internet search, but WP policy is such that it is not possible to publicly post my address without my consent. Incidentally, it may also be illegal, but I'm not sure if that's the case in the US state in which WP is based. --Nema Fakei 15:30, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
- I do not understand why it cannot be mentioned in the article. Which Wikipedia policy prohibits it? It was published in one of the best-known newspapers in the world, apparently because Haniyeh himself mentioned it in the signature of his letter, and the newspaper put it on the Internet. In effect, Haniyeh has already given his consent. (And besides, the link appearing above is to the letter that contains his e-mail address, so the address is already linked-to from Wikipedia; the anon editor was just suggesting making the link more direct.) 6SJ7 04:39, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Name of article
Seeing as noone can say what 'correct' transliteration of Arabic script is, shouldn't the article use the most common one? (i.e. Ismail Haniyeh) Joffeloff 21:42, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
- Why is this article not at Ismail Haniyeh?
- Since he spells his name that way, why is the article at Ismail Haniya?- Folksong 06:16, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- I guess that makes three of us, and nobody voiced any objections so far. I'm changing it now. --Daniel575 | (talk) 13:09, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Contradictions?
just found this article which seems to contradict his arrest dates and adds interesting perspective? anyone want to do a an edit http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/01/26/1760796.aspx --Sereneami (talk) 19:46, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Death Threats
1. The article in reference is dated "Tuesday 22 May 2007", and not "30 June", as mentioned in text.
2. There are no death threats, as becomes clear to those reading the source: «Ephraim Sneh, Israel's deputy defence minister, declared in a radio interview that "no one" in the Hamas leaderships was "immune from strike".» That's it. There is a threat, but it is not personal towards Haniyeh. And it does not come from the government as a whole, but from one deputy minister. The source article's title is pure journalist misjudgement.
This section must be removed.
--Tangerine (talk) 00:12, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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Addition to "Views" Section
Given that this man is slated for future Hamas leadership, his views on leadership and the values he would use to lead the country are important. I note that a recently published book from the Stanford University Press quoted him as making a speech at a carnival in Gaza in the run up to the 2014 conflict with Israel where he stated to the crowd through loudspeakers: "we are a people who value death, just like our enemies value life." I propose to add a small heading under "View on Osama Bin Laden" which states
Views on Value of Death At a carnival leading up to the the 2014 confrontation with Israel, Haniyeh reportedly stated to the crowd that he is in favor of promoting within Palestinian society a "culture of death" which he contrasted to the Palestinians "enemies" culture of life. His precise words as quoted were "we are a people who value death just like our enemies value life."[1]" Jonmayer18 (talk) 17:23, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
References
- ^ Baconi, Tariq (2018). Hamas Contained (1st ed.). Stanford University Press. ISBN 9781503605817. Retrieved 20 May 2018.
Correction
In the personal life section, it is stated at the end of the second paragraph that some of Ismail Haniyeh's sister's children have served in the IDF. I have read the source(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/1520134/Hamas-leaders-three-sisters-live-secretly-in-Israel-as-full-citizens.html) it said in the article and found this "Some of their offspring have even served in the Israeli army". How does this vague sentence from a newspaper article support's the wikipedia article's claim that Ismail Haniyeh's nephews served in the IDF. I have even looked onto other sources online to find evidence but couldn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yousifya (talk • contribs) 20:31, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
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Change "In September 2016 reports indicate that Haniyeh will replace Khaled Meshaal as head leader of Hamas." To "In September 2016 reports indicated Haniyeh would replace Khaled Meshaal as Chief of Hamas's Political Bureau." Phrasing is in present tense and out-of-date. Haniyeh did replaced Meshaal as Chief of the Political Bureau. Entire sentence is somewhat unnecessary.
Similarly, "This trip, viewed as a campaign commencement, further confirms reports that Haniyeh is indeed replacing Meshaal in the coming months." should be "This trip, interpreted as a campaign commencement, bolstered reports that Haniyeh was to replace Meshaal." Ought to be combined with updated information about Haniyeh's appointment as Chief, etc. Ox Eyed (talk) 23:02, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
- Done Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia! — Newslinger talk 23:54, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
File
I offer a current portrait → File:03-03-2020 Ismail Haniyeh.jpg.--Semenov.m7 (talk) 13:15, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you! I boldly updated his portrait photo. The previous one was blurry and low-res. The new one is high-res and taken in better lighting conditions. ImTheIP (talk) 16:28, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
infobox is incorrect
it says he has 3 children, correct is 13. 1177BC (talk) 01:35, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
more than one Meeting with Erdoğan
sorry, nearly alll articles are in german
Recep Tayyip Erdogan, die Türkei und Hamas-Führer Ismail Hanija
he lifes in Qatar and Turkey
--Über-Blick (talk) 23:37, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
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Israeli occupation administration? Israel is a country, it has it's own government. 86.120.244.53 (talk) 13:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:17, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- It's pretty obvious that the term is inherently biased and inappropriate. Instead of deflecting and asking for specific changes and a reliable source, you could have just removed the word occupation, as there is no such thing as “Israeli occupation authorities”, and you are obviously taking a stance by using the term. 2A0D:6FC2:4000:2900:98E1:C7B1:3EC4:1C18 (talk) 19:13, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
"Israeli occupation authorities"
In the section discussing his prison and deportation, the term "Israeli occupation authorities" is mentioned several times. It is not within Wikipedia's scope to take a stance on this matter. Therefore, I suggest that the word "occupation" be removed from these contexts. 2A0D:6FC2:4000:2900:98E1:C7B1:3EC4:1C18 (talk) 19:03, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- If the article referred to pre-1967 Israel as an "occupation", then that would be a very big problem, but referring to Israel's control over Gaza and the West Bank as such is less problematic. I don't know why you say that there are no Israeli occupation authorities, when we have a whole article on Israeli Military Governorate... -- AnonMoos (talk) 13:07, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
- The article you have linked refers to the military rule which ended in 1982. The term “Israeli occupation authorities” is mentioned in the context of Haniyeh’s sentencing to prison by an Israeli court, and subsequent imprisonment between 1988-1992. This reeks of heavy bias. Is the Israeli court part of your so-called “Israeli occupation authorities”? CucumberWaterForCustomerOnly (talk) 08:26, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, Palestinians from the occupied territories are not tried in normal courts, but the military courts acting under Israel's military occupation forces, which are headed in the West Bank from Central Command in Neve Yaakov. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:20, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- The term 'Israeli occupation authorities' carries a strong connotation and implies a specific stance on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Wikipedia strives to provide a neutral point of view, and it is essential to avoid using loaded terms that could compromise the encyclopedia's objectivity.
- I propose using terminology that accurately reflects the legal proceedings and avoids terms that may be considered contentious or politically charged. Considering this, replacing the term “Israeli occupation authorities” with “Israeli military court” would provide a more accurate and neutral description. CucumberWaterForCustomerOnly (talk) 18:27, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Fine. I've changed the wording in relation to the sentencing to "an Israeli military court". Iskandar323 (talk) 18:41, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, Palestinians from the occupied territories are not tried in normal courts, but the military courts acting under Israel's military occupation forces, which are headed in the West Bank from Central Command in Neve Yaakov. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:20, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- The article you have linked refers to the military rule which ended in 1982. The term “Israeli occupation authorities” is mentioned in the context of Haniyeh’s sentencing to prison by an Israeli court, and subsequent imprisonment between 1988-1992. This reeks of heavy bias. Is the Israeli court part of your so-called “Israeli occupation authorities”? CucumberWaterForCustomerOnly (talk) 08:26, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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Replace all occurrences of the term “Israeli occupation authorities” with the names of the relevant legal entities, such as “Israeli military court”, “Israeli government”. Wikipedia’s role is to provide users with factual information, and by using ambiguous and politically charged terms like this, it deprives readers of clear and accurate information. In this specific case, it is not clear which legal entity is responsible for the detaining of Haniyeh. CucumberWaterForCustomerOnly (talk) 18:49, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Nevermind, just saw the edit. Thanks CucumberWaterForCustomerOnly (talk) 18:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
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Ismail haniya is dead 2601:205:8301:54B0:B955:3EDB:3E3:B238 (talk) 07:04, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 08:56, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Is there no update? His sisters are Israeli citizens and his nieces and nephews served in the IDF, according to The Telegraph. Has it been confirmed by official sources? Ben Azura (talk) 14:53, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Update
Please update this article. The article Yahya Sinwar says Sinwar took over in 2017 and is mostly considered responsible for the attack and has a hardliner type background. Have Haniyeh and Meshaal left Hamas? Ben Azura (talk) 15:39, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- Mashal is retired since 2017 when Haniyeh took over. Haniyeh lives in Qatar and is in charge of Hamas overall. Sinwar is the leader of the Gaza Strip branch of Hamas, so many governance decisions are being made by him. 25stargeneral (talk) 17:10, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
Citizenship / Residency Status / Nationalities
Haniyeh's nationalities should include Turkish (along with Palestinian), because it was given to him and his son (along with other Hamas top operatives) by Turkish president in 2020. Source : https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/03/06/hamas-operatives-in-turkey-recruit-palestinians-for-terror-attacks/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hookmania (talk • contribs) 19:25, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- The concept of "nationality" involves more than just holding the passport of a nation. At this point, I don't see enough here to consider Haniyeh a "Turkish national." If there are more RS that refer to him as such, that bit could be incorporated into the article. PhotogenicScientist (talk) 20:59, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- Actually, what I meant and titled my change summary was about mentioning his citizenship and residency status to reflect what is viewed as a fact by Israel. Another (french) different source: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.latribune.fr/opinions/israel-palestine-le-chemin-turc-981068.html&sca_esv=582576413&strip=1&vwsrc=0
- Please sign your talk page posts. I don't think this situation rises to the level of being necessary to point out. Check out MOS:INFONAT. I think it's fine to leave in Nationality as Palestinian, due to the abnormal situation of Palestinian authority over his birthplace. However, I don't think this counts as Haniyeh "changing nationality after birth" or acquiring "dual citizenship" just because he has a passport. So, Nationality is probably better than Citizenship in the infobox, and Palestinian is the more appropriate nationality.
- I can't access that French source. Does it refer to Haniyeh as a Turkish citizen or Turkish national? PhotogenicScientist (talk) 14:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- Actually, what I meant and titled my change summary was about mentioning his citizenship and residency status to reflect what is viewed as a fact by Israel. Another (french) different source: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.latribune.fr/opinions/israel-palestine-le-chemin-turc-981068.html&sca_esv=582576413&strip=1&vwsrc=0
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Add Category:Palestinian billionaires to the page. Automatik (talk) 03:19, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
- Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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template. I'm afraid this one will no doubt be controversial, and thus, will need consensus. Spintendo 04:09, 28 December 2023 (UTC)- Spintendo The article does mention: "Haniyeh leads a lavish lifestyle in Qatar,[65] and his wealth is estimated at 2.5-4 billion USD.". Adding the category would just be consistent with the content. Automatik (talk) 00:11, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
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Hi! I think 2023 should be changed to 2024 in the lead section unless something happened with where he lives. Aiue (talk) 08:49, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Unclear wording in one section
During the Pope Benedict XVI Islam controversy in 2006, Haniyeh strongly objected to the Pope's remarks: "In the name of the Palestinian people, we condemn the Pope’s remarks on Islam. These remarks go against the truth and touch the heart of our faith." He also denounced the Palestinian attacks on churches in the West Bank and Gaza.
People who can't get past the source paywall (NYT) may have trouble figuring this out. Who was denouncing the attacks, the Pope, or Haniyeh? Also "Palestinian" attacks on churches attended by Palestinians?
The NYT article says,
"In Gaza, the Palestinian prime minister, Ismail Haniya, denounced attacks on some half-dozen churches there and in the West Bank. In Bethlehem, sacred to Christians as the birthplace of Jesus and home to many Arab Christians, police presence was higher than usual. 'The Christian brothers are a part of the Palestinian people, and I heard the highest Christian authority in Palestine denouncing the statements against Islam and against Muslims,' Mr. Haniya told reporters."
It appears that the attacks Haniyeh denounced (presumably from Islamists) were themselves in response to the Pope's statements.
Based on this, the section in question should be modified to read:
During the Pope Benedict XVI Islam controversy in 2006, Haniyeh strongly objected to the Pope's remarks: "In the name of the Palestinian people, we condemn the Pope’s remarks on Islam. These remarks go against the truth and touch the heart of our faith." Haniyeh also denounced attacks on churches in the West Bank and Gaza that had been carried out in response to the controversy. Or something along those lines. Evaporation123 (talk) 04:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Haniyeh's grandkids
The CNN source notes that one of the three grandkids killed in the strike was underage. That should be noted.ItsRainingCatsAndDogsAndMen (talk) 09:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Also worth adding that the IDF described his three sons as "three Hamas military operatives" although perhaps their names and job titles aren't necessary.ItsRainingCatsAndDogsAndMen (talk) 09:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
Moderate
Haniyeh has always struck me as one of the more moderate Hamas leaders. I noted that the Al Jazeera link points out that he has repeatedly said that Hamas could find some peace with Israel, but the Forbes link is cited with him using more militant language. The Forbes link is broken and unretrievable. The article should reflect his position according to the sources that work. MarkB2 15:27, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
2024
- Sources often note that Haniyeh and other Hamas leaders will say they will accept a reduced Palestinian State in the interests of peace, while also noting they use language about continued conflict for all of the territory. Even the updated Hamas Charter seems to say that they will accept a two state solution while also saying that won't end the conflict.ItsRainingCatsAndDogsAndMen (talk) 09:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- It basically means that they're willing to go along with the old 1970s "stages plan" in the interest of "national consensus" without mitigating in any way their ultimate goals. Most people in the West and Israel who understand it would not consider it to be any true sign of "moderation". What Wikipedia has on the stages plan seems to be at PLO's Ten Point Program... AnonMoos (talk) 13:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
MOSBIO
@NAADAAN: There is no need for middle names here per MOS:FIRSTBIO: "However, if the person is conventionally known by only their first and last names and disambiguation is not required, any middle names should be omitted." Makeandtoss (talk) 15:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'll self-revert for now. Thank you for bringing that to my attention NAADAAN (talk) 16:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- @NAADAAN: Thanks for the changes as well as the application of it across different articles. Makeandtoss (talk) 19:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Usually you write to whom any body is and was married. Hannieh was married 7 times this should be indicated 2A0D:6FC2:4732:900:DD85:95DA:503E:4B94 (talk) 06:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
assassinated
Hamas's Ismail Haniyeh 'martyred' in Iran - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com) 2606:9400:8FA0:CBF0:612C:133F:4598:54F (talk) 03:08, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Ismail Haniyeh Assasinated
As reported by the IRGC https://www.iranintl.com/en/202407311462 Ismail Haniyeh has been killed in Tehran. [1]WintermuteKnows (talk) 03:06, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Is it official??? Zundel e (talk) 03:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add in death date Jul 30 2024. He was just killed. https://x.com/yashar/status/1818481804485312896 69.123.64.3 (talk) 03:07, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- July 31 2024.
- "A statement by the IRGC's Public Relations Department said the attack was carried out early Wednesday [...]" – https://www.iranintl.com/en/202407311462 2A02:2F01:6A09:4000:F9D6:D363:8B54:E893 (talk) 03:23, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Already done ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 03:25, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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Change reported year of death to 2024 184.145.112.103 (talk) 03:19, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Already done - The article has already been updated. - ZLEA T\C 03:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Death date
Death date is listed as July 30, 2024. Shouldnt this be either UTC or tehran local time, July 31, 2024? Just.some.guy.2468 (talk) 03:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but it seems someone already got to it mere seconds before I was going to change the date. - ZLEA T\C 03:40, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unrelatedly, the name "Barghouti" is misspelt as "Barhgouti" in a link in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:9A29:FF00:9DD0:AAF9:472C:307C (talk) 03:57, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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Change “is” to “was” in the line “According to a 2014 Ynet article, Haniyeh is a millionaire…” which is under the heading “Personal and family life” 71.184.206.244 (talk) 04:00, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Now that's one of the best edits I've ever had the pleasure of seeing. 2603:9001:300:81A:D486:F646:CF3:6732 (talk) 04:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Done... Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 04:53, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
PSPCR poll
This graph takes an undue size in the article and should be removed. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:20, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Hamas Leader - more relevant then "Prime Minister of the Palestinian National Authority"
He was the leader of Hamas (terror) organization as his latest role. That title describes him more accurately. Strudelnew (talk) 09:33, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Why not use a clearer image as stated in Wikipedia Image use policy?
In Wikipedia:Image use policy, it states that "The relevant aspect of the image should be clear and central". However the current image is not. The image mentioned below is more suitable. (Source: Arabic Wikipedia).
"03-03-2020 Ismail Haniyeh (cropped).jpg" Ras al Ghoul (talk) 11:34, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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Please change text "[...] Haniyeh sent a letter to U.S. President Georg W. Bush" to "[...] Haniyeh sent a letter to U.S. President George W. Bush"
Reason: I presume it's a typo? The Haaretz Article[1] linked as the Source also names him George W. Bush. Noodlesuwu (talk) 12:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
References
- Thanks! Fixed. — Chrisahn (talk) 13:57, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Birth date
Some foreign language wikipedias (including the Arabic one) claim he was born in 1962 and Not 1963 like stated now. can anyone verify the correct information? Dberliner 18:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry for the late reply... ;-) I fixed it. Our article now says "1962 or 1963". That's the best we can do, given the currently available sources. — Chrisahn (talk) 14:06, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Birthdate
He was born in 1963 or 1962? There are conflicting sources. 2A02:B027:8F02:8318:1D71:887E:FA14:4793 (talk) 07:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's true that sources give conflicting birth years. Best we can say is "1962 or 1963". Done. — Chrisahn (talk) 17:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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In the paragraph about his early life it should say ‘became’ instead of ‘become’ 70.66.44.42 (talk) 18:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Use of questionable source: AlArabiya
Source #89 links to AlArabiya. According to https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-arabiya/, this shouldn't be an adequate source for Wikipedia. Explanation on why this is here? 174.93.131.177 (talk) 22:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, it's not "According to https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-arabiya/", it's according to you. Important to get the attribution right when dealing with sources. Source reliability in Wikipedia is not based on what the Media Bias/Fact Check site says. There is a source reliability noticeboard (Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard). It's searchable. Al Arabiya has been discussed several times so you can have look through the archives. Here is an example, Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_418#Al_Arabiya. Sean.hoyland (talk) 06:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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The Death section shouldn't mention an airstrike without a source. Both sources say "raid", and one says "strike", but neither source says "airstrike". 12.75.41.13 (talk) 06:54, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Already done : Updated with new information – macaddct1984 (talk | contribs) 18:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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I would like to add info about Ismail hanyas death Sources: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/30/world/video/ismail-haniyeh-death-hamas-political-leader-digvid https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/7/31/israels-war-on-gaza-live-israel-hits-beirut-in-assassination-operation https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/jul/31/middle-east-crisis-live-updates-hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh-killed-iran-israel-gaza-war https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/7/31/hamass-political-chief-ismail-haniyeh-assassinated-in-iran-state-media TKWGwiki (talk) 05:01, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- I would suggest making a request at the main article instead as both entries about his death are fairly short. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 05:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: See the comment above, along with WP:SUMMARYHATNOTE and WP:SYNC, which explain why we have the pages organized this way. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 02:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
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Do we really need this many layers of templates on the name in the info box? {{nobold|{{lang|ar|{{Script/Arabic|إسماعيل هنية}}|rtl=yes}} }}
The info box asks for "native_name_lang", so I think it mighty be doing anything needed already? FourPi (talk) 11:29, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
It's not yet confirmed that he was killed by Israel
Until it's confirmed that he was killed in an Israeli airstrike, all guess' like that should be removed from this page. No reputable references confirms this (yet). Wikipedia is just so low quality right now. Please help make this better. 2A02:1406:A:E673:0:0:3993:8785 (talk) 09:32, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Furthermore, it should be an alleged Israeli airstrike, no confirmation has come from IDF. If Hezbollah's strike in Majdal Shams is "alleged" with only Hezbollah's word (and with Israeli and US claiming the opposite), I don't see why this one is so certain. Be consistent, please. 77.137.37.166 (talk) 10:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you :) 77.137.37.166 (talk) 10:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Still says "by Israel" when no evidence for this was found and no responsibility taken. At least add "presumably" by Israel or "allegedly" though the facts are not clear. 2A0D:6FC2:5351:5800:34A7:461B:C880:EDE5 (talk) 14:50, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 August 2024
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His remains were already transported to Doha and his funeral prayers were completed. Ali1079 (talk) 19:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Ali1079, I don't see a problem with adding this. But it will be done more quickly if you can provide a link to a suitable source? And it would also help to suggest exactly where on the page it needs to be added. FourPi (talk) 03:34, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Assassination is still not claimed to be done by any country.
Why does it even say that the assassination was by Israel? It's a speculation at the moment, as no one has claimed responsibility. It should be changed to just assassinated by an unknown assailant… Or something. TheMushyCrazs (talk) 13:45, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- "Means, motive, opportunity", as they say. AnonMoos (talk) 20:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those belong in a court of law. Which Wikipedia is not. This is just a blatant break in WP:NPOV. It should be changed to "allegedly", rather than "likely", which is entirely the opinion of the editor; and not present in any of the three sources, as far as I can see. 77.137.37.166 (talk) 12:07, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Lede - Perpetrator
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The lede to the article currently states "On 31 July 2024, Haniyeh was assassinated by an explosive device planted in his guesthouse in Tehran by likely Israeli Mossad agents." The latter part which accuses "Israeli Mossad agents" has no foundation in any of the given sources, nor is its likelihood determined. It furthermore does not correctly summarize the section Death, nor the contents of the article Assassination of Ismail Haniyeh. It is confusing why the editor would add what appears to be a personal opinion that is not supported by the RS.
My request is that this part of the line be changed to indicate an alleged implication, if not removed at all.
77.137.37.166 (talk) 13:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- please provide x to y change with proper rs Golaecan (talk) 19:13, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
References
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 August 2024
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In "personal life," there is a reference to a 2014 Ynet article asserting that Haniyeh was a millionaire. But according to more recent reports, he was worth $4 billion.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ismail-haniyeh-net-worth-2024-062649649.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGcL060T3NgvEWE1LesTSKPKpDdV07ijm2tnWg84a91EF-GLtdbEN6SmMk4GK6nHcSZHeI1O4JBOy8bcVoT4fj5ZoRY39_rgH_GsC1ypYapOs7mUv_U1L7gpxOXftW7jaaqRAENe3909Q9fAfp1KEZTdzV6zbj7fstR9W8D1I-LC&guccounter=2#:~:text=Ismail%20Haniyeh%20had%20an%20estimated,activities%20linked%20to%20his%20position Ajkoller (talk) 18:57, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Rainsage (talk) 03:10, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request UNRWA employee
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The lead should say that Ismail Haniyeh was an (ex) UNRWA teacher. sources:
https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/hamas-terror-chief-haniyeh-was-an-unwra-teacher-reveals-former-un-official-nvlqbb16 https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/hamas-chief-haniyeh-was-an-unrwa-school-teacher/ https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/387304 https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-792791 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.22.130.45 (talk • contribs) 06:21, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: those sources got the information from the claims of 1 person as translated by MEMRI whose reliability is "between no consensus and generally unreliable". Rainsage (talk) 22:14, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- The video is in Arabic, you can litterally hear him say "Mu'alem fi al Unrwa, Ismail Haniyeh" (Teacher at (the) Unrwa , Ismail Haniyeh) , there are many Wikipedia editors who know Arabic well enough who could confirm that by watching the actual video from the thejc link. 2A00:C281:1212:7B00:5C69:A009:A9B9:D10B (talk) 13:02, 12 September 2024 (UTC)