Talk:Hamilton Fish

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Albert Fish, not related, included among descendants

Albert Fish, a serial killer noted for his fascination with obscenity and his cannibalism, is not a descendant of Hamilton Fish and should never be included among his descendants.

While any halfway descent biographical account of Albert Fish lists his father as Randall Fish originally of Kennebec, Maine, a full consideration of his ancestry may be found at http://www.wargs.com/other/fish.html . Quissett (talk) 17:37, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Photos

These are comparative photos of Hamilton Fish. Cmguy777 (talk) 20:12, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Other involvments

Moved to talk page possibly to be incorporated into the article. Cmguy777 (talk) 16:57, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Vice-president general of the Society of the Cincinnati from 1848 to 1854, president general from 1854 until his death
Appointed by U.S. President Abraham Lincoln as one of the board of commissioners for the relief and exchange of Union prisoners of war in the South
President of the New York Historical Society from 1867 to 1869
Served as a trustee of Columbia University for 53 years (1840–1849, 1851–1893), and as chairman of the board of trustees from 1859 until his death in 1893
Served as president of the Union League Club from 1879 to 1881.
Acted as a trustee of both the Lenox Library and the Astor Library, which were later shaped into the New York Public Library

Sources

Moved sources to talk page for possible further use in article. Cmguy777 (talk) 17:13, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

United States Congress. "Hamilton Fish (id: F000140)". Biographical Directory of the United States Congress.
This article incorporates public domain material from the Biographical Directory of the United States Congress
Chisholm, Hugh, ed. (1911). "Fish, Hamilton" . Encyclopædia Britannica (11th ed.). Cambridge University Press.
This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Wilson, J. G.; Fiske, J., eds. (1891). Appletons' Cyclopædia of American Biography. New York: D. Appleton. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

Who Was Who in America: Historical Edition, 1607–1896. Chicago: Marquis Who's Who, 1967.
Nevins, Allan (1936). Hamilton Fish: The Inner History of the Grant Administration. Berlin: Dodd. (1937 Pulitzer Prize winner in biography/autobiography category)

Unsourced material

Removed unsourced material. Cmguy777 (talk) 20:11, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Newburgh-Beacon Bridge on I-84 across the Hudson river is named after him.

The Hamilton Fish Park Pool on the corners of Pitt St. and E. Houston St. in New York City is named after him.

GA Review

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Reviewer: Astrocog (talk · contribs) 13:19, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Things to fix right away

There are five wikilinks to disambiguation pages in this article. Click on the disambiguation link in the toolbox on the right to see what they are and fix them. Fixed Cmguy777 (talk) 16:52, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The article has a nice prose style until the end, with what amounts to a trivia section about Fish's relatives. The important information there needs to be converted into prose and get rid of the bullets. Cut out the non-essential trivia and only leave information about relatives directly related to this article. Fixed Cmguy777 (talk) 18:03, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

Quite a good article overall. Just two issues need to be fixed to pass GA review: lead expansion and alt-text for the images.

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
The only major issue is the lead. It's quite small for the size of the article and doesn't touch on every major section. Make sure that there is at least a sentence for every section. The largest section, about Fish's service as Secretary of State, probably deserves more coverage in the lead than the other sections.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
No issues that I see.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
Seems comprehensive, though I'm not an expert on the subject. However, as a general reader, I didn't finish the article with any major questions.
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
No problems here.
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
Stable.
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
All images need alt-text.
Overall: Good job with the improvements. Article passes GA review.
Pass/Fail:

OK. Thanks for the article review. I am working on fixing the above pertinent issues. Cmguy777 (talk) 16:39, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for fixing those things above. I'll finish the review today or tomorrow. AstroCog (talk) 16:57, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I added to the lead section. Cmguy777 (talk) 05:02, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I added alt text(s) to the photos. Cmguy777 (talk) 18:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent. AstroCog (talk) 03:26, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for GA, Astrocog! Cmguy777 (talk) 08:09, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notable relatives

I am putting this section into the talk page. Cmguy777 (talk) 17:01, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

He had a son, a grandson and a great-grandson (all named Hamilton Fish) serve in the U.S. House of Representatives for New York:
- Son Hamilton Fish II (1849–1936)^[1]
- Grandson Hamilton Fish III (1888–1991)^[2]
- Great-grandson Hamilton Fish IV (1926–1996)^[3]
His great-great grandson Hamilton Fish V ran for Congress in 1988 and 1994 (to succeed his retiring father) but lost. With other investors, Hamilton Fish V purchased The Nation out of bankruptcy in 1977, and sold it in 1995, but remains connected to the foundation. He is also an adviser to George Soros.^[4]
Another son Stuyvesant Fish was an important railroad executive.^[5]
great-niece Edith Vanderbilt, Wife of George Washington Vanderbilt II, the owner of the Biltmore Estate and mother of Cornelia Stuyvesant Vanderbilt
Another son, Nicholas Fish II, was a U.S. diplomat, who was appointed second secretary of legation at Berlin in 1871, became secretary in 1874, and was chargé d'affaires at Berne in 1877–1881, and minister to Belgium in 1882–1886, after which he engaged in banking in New York City.^[6]
Nicholas's son Hamilton Fish, an 1895 graduate of Columbia College of Columbia University, saw service in The Spanish-American War as one of the storied Rough Riders. He was the first member of that regiment to be killed in action, at the Battle of Las Guasimas, Cuba.^[7]
Nephew Stuyvesant Fish Morris, physician from New York.^[8]
Grandnephew Hamilton F. Kean, US Senator from New Jersey.^[9]
Great-grandnephew Thomas Kean, Governor of New Jersey.^[10]
The infamous child killer, Albert Fish, stated he was a distant relative of Hamilton Fish in an interview with Dr. Fredric Wertham. According to Albert Fish, his birth name was Hamilton Fish, named after President Grant's Secretary of State in 1870. Albert Fish stated he changed his name from Hamilton to Albert, because he was teased as a child.^[11] An Albert Fish genealogy by William Addams Reitwiesner stated that Albert Fish's father, Randall Fish, a Potomac Riverboat captain, was born in China, Kennebeck Co., Maine.^[12]

^ Biographical Directory of the United States Congress, Fish, Hamilton, (1849 - 1936)
^ Biographical Directory of the United States Congress ,Fish, Hamilton, (1888 - 1991)
^ Biographical Directory of the United States Congress, Fish, Hamilton, Jr., (1926 - 1996)
^ New York Times (April 3, 1988), Hamilton Fish 3d Joins Race for House
^ Stover, "The management of the Illinois Central Railroad in the 20th century.", PDF file
^ Political Graveyard (July 19, 2011), Fischetti to Fishelson
^ Benz (June 26, 1998), The Bull Pulpit
^ New York Times (May 11, 1928), Dr. Stuyvesant F. Morris.
^ Biographical Directory of the United States Congress, Kean, Hamilton Fish, (1862 - 1941)
^ Rutgers, Governor Thomas H. Kean Biography
^ Bardsley (2011), Albert Fish
^ Reitwiesner, Ancestry of Albert Fish

New Picture

I've just been sent a picture of a Fish campaign poster which has been up in its original place until now. Is this useful? (see photo here Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 16:19, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I added another new picture. Bearian (talk) 21:38, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Elizabeth Stuyvesant

With respect to Elizabeth Stuyvesant, Hamilton Fish's mother, the article included the line "(a daughter of New Amsterdam's Peter Stuyvesant)" with a link to her ancestor, Peter (Petrus) Stuyvesant (1610-1672), the last Dutch director-general of Dutch New Netherland. Elizabeth's father was also called Peter (Petrus) Stuyvesant (1727–1805) - see entry on Elizabeth Stuyvesant's husband, Nicholas Fish, Hamilton Fish's father. The latter Peter Stuyvesant - Elizabeth's father - was a descendant of the director-general, and presumably the elder Peter's namesake. --J. G. Graubart (talk) 23:23, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Biographical Directory of the United States Congress, Fish, Hamilton, (1849 - 1936)

[2] Biographical Directory of the United States Congress ,Fish, Hamilton, (1888 - 1991)

[3] Biographical Directory of the United States Congress, Fish, Hamilton, Jr., (1926 - 1996)

[4] New York Times (April 3, 1988), Hamilton Fish 3d Joins Race for House

[5] Stover, "The management of the Illinois Central Railroad in the 20th century.", PDF file

[6] Political Graveyard (July 19, 2011), Fischetti to Fishelson

[7] Benz (June 26, 1998), The Bull Pulpit

[8] New York Times (May 11, 1928), Dr. Stuyvesant F. Morris.

[9] Biographical Directory of the United States Congress, Kean, Hamilton Fish, (1862 - 1941)

[10] Rutgers, Governor Thomas H. Kean Biography

[11] Bardsley (2011), Albert Fish

[12] Reitwiesner, Ancestry of Albert Fish

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