Talk:George Floyd protests in New York City

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I've been watching this and considering it for a couple days now, but NYC is clearly turning into one of the big sites of these events. First curfew in decades! I was going to start with material taken from the list article, but was surprised at how it was almost entirely a detailed list of acts committed by protesters, which seemed strange. So I just started from scratch. Big chunks still missing. Made a first pass at organization, but it'll need to evolve as the story does, of course. It's late now, but I plan to come back to this to continue working tomorrow. FYI. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 04:07, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

NYPD background

@Rhododendrites: I think your trimming of the material I added is fair enough, but I've expanded the sentence slightly to mention the NYPD's history of policing protests, which is emphasised in the Guardian article and seems relevant enough to this article about protests. I've also added a link to New York City Police Department corruption and misconduct, which gives a useful overview and ought to be linked somewhere, though the current awkward location could probably be improved. What do you think? – Arms & Hearts (talk) 11:54, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

@Arms & Hearts: Works for me. Thanks. Only change I made was to the inline see also parenthetical. I think there's generally a preference to use piped links in the prose. I could be wrong, but it feels better. :) As an aside, it sure seems like Wikipedia could sustain an article on the NYPD and race, bringing all of these together in a more focused/organized way than the corruption/misconduct way. Maybe I'll mention that over at WPNYC. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 13:43, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

material copied from state article

@Epicgenius: This material was already included. Some is duplicated verbatim below. Also ref naming duplication errors. Possible a summary could be included under the timeline and then elaborated upon below but the review, etc. is specifically about the government response. There are ongoing challenges of organization, but I figured focus on the protests themselves in the timeline and go into more detail of specific incidents, politics, police investigations, etc. separately. The incident of police pulling down someone's mask to pepper spray them is new though (in the sense that I neglected to copy it over), if you want to fix the ref. (I won't be able to edit again until later this evening). — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 15:43, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Rhododendrites, oops, I did not notice that some things were duplicated. I will fix it soon. epicgenius (talk) 16:10, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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George Floyd protest in New York City

• ... that amid the George Floyd protests, New York City implemented an 8:00 pm curfew, its first since the Harlem riot of 1943?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Masked Singer (American TV series)
• Comment: Other possible image: File:George Floyd rally in Grand Army Plaza (02933).jpg (and there's a whole category, of course).

Created by Rhododendrites (talk). Self-nominated at 21:50, 6 June 2020 (UTC).

• Article is new enough and long enough, but the hook content is not currently supported by the article OR its sources. The "Curfew" section of the article states that curfew was first declared at 11:00 pm (not 8:00 pm) and was the first since the Harlem riot of 1943, but the only provided source (a New York Times article) does not confirm either that time or that claim. If you can correct the hook/article info and back it up with a good source, I'll finish reviewing other criteria for this DYK hook. Alanna the Brave (talk) 00:48, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

• Aha. Sourcing got mixed up somewhere. I added a couple to support this. Here's an ALT1 below. It was an 11pm curfew initially, then the next day was changed to 8pm. I don't actually know that the main hook is problematic in this regard. They did implement a curfew which was the first since the Harlem riot of 1943, and that curfew was 8pm for most of the time it was in effect. Not opposed to promoting this alt1 though. Thanks. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 01:12, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
• ALT1: ... that amid the George Floyd protests, New York City implemented a nighttime curfew, its first since the Harlem riot of 1943?

Thanks Rhododendrites -- I'll go with your ALT1 (I know the curfew timing seems minor, but I think the alt is just more accurate). Okay: article is long enough, new enough, neutral and appropriately sourced (Earwig shows a couple of close matches, but that's due to quoted material, which is all properly cited as such). Hook is short enough, interesting, and backed up by sources within article. Image seems appropriate and is free of copyright issues -- I've shortened the long caption, since I don't think the exact location of the New York crowd is vital to this hook/article. QPQ review is complete. Good to go! Alanna the Brave (talk) 15:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be cleaner to just say ... that amid the George Floyd protests, New York City implemented its first nighttime curfew since the Harlem riot of 1943? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 04:08, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Organization between articles

I keep seeing new events added to the timeline which are part of the greater BLM protest movement or perhaps part of the 2020-21 United States racial unrest, but are not, as far as I can tell, clearly part of "George Floyd protests in New York City." There have been several discussions at Talk:George Floyd protests (see archive 2 in particular), without a clear consensus of how to organize these topics. Obviously there's no clear answer like a date where one set of protests end and another begins. The killing of George Floyd is still very relevant to ongoing protests, but I don't think it makes sense to expand this article outwards indefinitely.

So here's an approach I'd like to take, and I'm hoping to get your thoughts:

I'm working on a draft of "Black Lives Matter protests in New York City" that goes back further and continues after the protests directly responding to the killing of George Floyd. It starts with Eric Garner, summarizes this article, and has a wider scope to allow for continued expansion.

I'm thinking, looking at the timeline of this article, that it makes sense to focus this one on the events of May-July, as well as any e.g. police reforms or other events with a clear connection to those protests. But any significant specific protests/incidents that don't mention a connection to George Floyd, but are discussed as part of the broader BLM movement, would be moved over (or, in some cases where WP:WEIGHT or RS is an issue, omitted). I should have the draft up later tonight, and would welcome additions/edits/discussion. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 23:51, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Another question: what to do with some of the material that's relevant to both articles? The Eric Garner Anti-Chokehold Act is a good example. It's directly relevant to the George Floyd protests, but also has wider significance to BLM via, obviously Eric Garner. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 02:44, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea to do a BLM in NYC article. The Floyd-related protests here mostly took place during the summer, while if I recall correctly, his name is mentioned largely in passing in other protests. Epicgenius (talk) 02:58, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Ok I'm going to move it live: Black Lives Matter protests in New York City. In sum, though not ideal, it seems unavoidable that we need to impose a semi-artificial cut-off point. My sense of the sourcing and events is that's roughly the end of June. So let's cover through then in this article and summarize the events of May and June in the new article, which is where anything thereafter will live (for now at least), as well as Black Lives Matter events in NYC before the the George Floyd protests. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 04:16, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Dates

Following on it seems unavoidable that we need to impose a semi-artificial cut-off point above, I've gone ahead and updated the infobox and tense of the lead to set the bounds for protests covered in this article at May-June 2020, with what follows (and preceded) covered at the BLM in NYC article. Of course, this article still covers events after June 2020 directly connected to George Floyd and the protests that took place in May/June (so trials, reports, legislation, memorials, etc.). — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 21:23, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Something to keep an eye on for later

Currently unresolved, so maybe best not included, but [1] — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 21:25, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

The sources for these claims seem to be confusing different sets of people.

The first reference cites two specific people. The second reference cites a third, completely different person. This content needs to be separated into two distinct parts:

In the early hours of May 30, a young woman from the Hudson Valley region and a young man were arrested for throwing a Molotov cocktail at an abandoned NYPD van. No police officers were hurt, however both faced several charges including four counts of attempted murder. On July 1, both were charged with seven federal charges and face long mandatory minimum sentences.

Also, here's some new info. The people cited in the first reference have both pled guilty. This info should be added, but not until after the above issue is fixed.

We43ff21 (talk) 15:13, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

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