Talk:Gabriel Rockhill

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Notability issue

Hi, I put back the tag removed here; the "Notability issue" tag had been removed for the following reason : ‘’the subject passes criterias 6 and 7’’. I am most sorry but it can neither be said that an Assistant Pr. at Villanova (not to mention « directeur de programme » at CIPh (which is a mere honorary status as abroad consultant)) can be considered to equal positions at the highest-level elected or appointed academic post at a major academic institution or major academic society (crit. 6) nor can it be said (or if so, well, let the page prove it, which is now absolutely not the case) that Rockhill has made substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity (crit. 7). I therefore put the tag back, with your permission, hoping you will agree. 210.159.191.89 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:48, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding criterion 6: judging by what I read in Collège international de philosophie, I see that holding the chair of the director of program is not an honorary title: "directors of program are competitively elected for 6 years." If this is right it means that Rockhill has indeed held a highest-level elected or appointed academic post at a major academic institution. If an academic meets that condition, as substantiated through reliable sources, s/he is notable. --Omnipaedista (talk) 16:57, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thank you for the reply and research. Directeurs de programme (note that no translation is provided and that it is, in my idea, a faux-ami) are elected for six years, they create one teaching course or more, indeed, but the word « directeur de programme » (basically, someone who decides a seminar or research ^[1] or cooperation program linked with an institution abroad or in Fr. and makes it work) does not imply what is usually meant by Director (Head of Department or any superior level) in the academic world. Hence my doubts.--210.159.191.89 (talk) 01:46, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My point is that CIPh is a major education institute and that in the case of CIPh, the respective highest-level elected post is the Directeur de programme. --Omnipaedista (talk) 16:11, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

even it was « respectively » so, I would consider that the organization in CIPh (non-institutionnal^[2]) makes this type of ~~casuistic~~ jurisprudential arguing a bit specious. But, let’s pretend you can reason like this; still, President being the highest-elected post, ergo Directeur de programme (please note that there are 50 of them) is not. I suggest we wait for opinions by other editors if you still disagree.--210.159.191.89 (talk) 20:42, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I admit you are right that the highest-elected post in the case of CIPh is the President; I had not noticed the distinction between directors and presidents before. Sidenote: I hope that you do not contest that CIPh is an academic institution though; the fact that CIPh works like an open university and that it has "directors of programs" instead of professors does nοt mean that it is not a higher education institute. I will try to find a reliable source regarding criterion 7. (Please do not argue using terms like casuistry; just keep your point clear.) --Omnipaedista (talk) 23:32, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I never contested here that CIPh is an academic institution (but CIPH does contest it, though.). As for the word you mention, you noticed that I did not use the word casuistry but casuistic (Lat. or Fr. or classical meaning). Which was both a gallicism and a grammar error. I honestly did not mean anything (if so, I would not have used ALSO the adjective specious) but what the word refers to in the first place : a study of matter of fact cases according to general principles only. It may be slightly ironic but it was not meant to be read as « bad-reasoning » (which is the first definition on the en:WP, indeed). Sorry for this faux-pas and sorry that you read and then heard it else way. (Which reminds me to ask you, concerning your second edit here, not to change the layout in other editors’ contributions without asking them first, by the way). Hope the concern is addressed and I leave it to you and the other editors’ good will. Greetings,--210.159.191.89 (talk) 02:15, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Footnotes (for other editors to know what we are talking about)

^ ″Les Directeurs de programme sont élus pour mettre en oeuvre un projet de recherche original.″ Source : CIPh
^ Une direction de programme n'est ni une bourse, ni un poste rémunéré, mais elle permet aux chercheurs de donner un espace et un écho à leurs travaux, et de s'inscrire dans un réseau philosophique international. (=Directeur de program is neither : a scholarship, neither a remunerated position(...))

It is now 2017--five years later. I have removed the "notability" tag. Feel free to nominate it for AFD if you want.Zigzig20s (talk) 09:47, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] ″Les Directeurs de programme sont élus pour mettre en oeuvre un projet de recherche original.″ Source : CIPh

[2] Une direction de programme n'est ni une bourse, ni un poste rémunéré, mais elle permet aux chercheurs de donner un espace et un écho à leurs travaux, et de s'inscrire dans un réseau philosophique international. (=Directeur de program is neither : a scholarship, neither a remunerated position(...))

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