Talk:Common wood pigeon

Fledging

Is there evidence that chick wood pigeons can fly as young as 16 days? This seems to be very young to me.

many pigoen species are fledged in about two weeks from hatching, but the only source I can readily find says 20-35, so I've amended the entry jimfbleak 17:12, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Does your reference saying 20-35 days specifically refer to wood pigeons? I guess that such a large bird would take longer to fledge; perhaps smaller pigeon species could fledge quickly.

From BWP Concise:

• Wood Pigeon: (20-) 33-34 (-35) days
• Stock Dove: 20-30 days
• Rock Dove: 35-37 days

As Rock Dove is smaller than Wood Pigeon (same size as Stock Dove), size is not the only factor. Nest site concealment and security may be important, the 33-34 days is cited as for 'undisturbed' nests, with the implication that they can fly earlier if necessary to escape predators. Rock Doves nest in caves, where predation is less likely. MPF 13:44, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Juvenille wood pigeon

It would be good to have a picture of a young wood pigeon, without the white ear patches.

wood pigeon sexes

I have got a pair of Wood Pigeons with their 2 babies that found my balcony and I feed them. One of them will come in my balcony door into my sitting room to let us know if they want more food!! Can anyone tell me how you tell the difference between a male and female Wood Pigeon? My daughter, my granddaughters and I are very happy that this family of Wood Pigeons has chosen us to visit several times a day. It would be interesting to know which one is the Dad and which one is the Mum. The babies are very nervous but very cute.

The juveniles lack the white neck patches, but the male and female plumages are identical. 16:36, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for answering my question. This family of Wood Pigeons are very cute and we are all loving watching them.

I noticed the previous message where the writer would like a picture of a juvenile wood pigeon. I have been trying to get a nice picture of one of the babies that comes to my balcony and my daughter took one nice one of the baby feeding from my planter. I put seeds in there and now my herb planter has been converted to a giant bird feeding tray. This picture is not a perfect one, but I will try to send it on this message and we are trying to capture a better one. I am not sure how to send a picture on this message or even if I can, but I will try now. The picture wouldn't copy out on this page.

juvenile woodpigeon

My apologies for messing you all about, but I am a complete novice at this chat page!! I have finally read the instructions properly and have inserted the photo for you to see. Although it is not a frontal picture you can see that it has a fully grey neck with no white flashes. I will try to capture a better photo in the future. We think it looks quite fluffy and cute with it's baby feathers. If you double-click on the picture it will enlarge and you can see the head and neck much better.

I have tried to tag this picture correctly, but I am not sure if it has been successful, so if it gets deleted and you wish to see it, please go to Grannie Jas talk page and hopefully you will see it there.

The picture is on this page ok. Thank you for your interest. I hope that you can get a better focus picture that can go on the article page. If it is not in the correct position on the article page I am sure someone will straigten it up. The main thing (at fisrt) is to get the picture on the page (or this page) somewhere. Can you also report exactly how old the bird is from hatching? It will get small white patches which get bigger over the next 3 to 6 months - I am not sure about the exact timing. Snowman 09:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure how old the babies are. The parents have been coming to my balcony for several weeks now, but the babies first appeared here on my balcony with the parents just over 2 weeks ago. At first there were 2 babies, but now only 1 comes, so we fear that sadly something has happened to the other baby. I don't know if you can work out how old the baby is from this information. I imagine that when it first visited with it's parents then that was when it first fledged. I hope this helps you. Grannie Jas 16:39, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Replacing city-dove (Rock dove)?

It seems to me and dad (quite unscientifically) that Wood Dove is slowly gaining territory into the "civilization", in at least Sweden, on the loss of City Dove (Rock Doves). Is this just my imagination, or is there actually a trend? Said: Rursus 04:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was page moved to Common Wood Pigeon.  Skomorokh  09:01, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

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Wood Pigeon → Woodpigeon — This is the correct name of this species. http://blx1.bto.org/birdfacts/results/bob6700.htm-- Carlroach (talk) 11:32, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose move This is not the correct name, it is a name used by the BTO, hardly a global authority. The bird project standard ids the IOC list, which has Common Wood Pigeon, so if it's moved at all, it should be to that Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:01, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

• I wouldn't like to comment on "correctness", but woodpigeon is the form I have seen far more often. Knepflerle (talk) 00:24, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

• • WP:OR isn't an adequate reason, I suggest that if you are unhappy with the current name and the IOC name, you raise the proposed move at the project page for wider discussion. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:43, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

• You misunderstand WP:OR, because I have not asked any original research to be published. The name woodpigeon is clearly sourced and in use - whether we use it depends on whether it is the most common name, per WP:NAME. I agree that my experience is mere anecdotal evidence, but it is at least pertinent to the subject at hand. If there is stronger evidence as to what the majority of English speakers call this bird, then that would be useful. Knepflerle (talk) 14:14, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

• Actually, the bird project doesn't always opt for the most common name. For example we use IOC's Great Northern Loon because it solves the endless debate as to whether we should use the US or British names for Gavia immer Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:50, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

• Support — The nominator argues that the most commonly used name is woodpigeon. That would be a matter of examining sources, nothing to do with original research. If the IOC list uses Common Wood Pigeon then the choice may be between Common Wood Pigeon and Woodpigeon. If this is a source of dispute, which it appears to be, then I recommend using the scientific name. --Una Smith (talk) 18:30, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

That would make it the only one of 10,000 bird species' articles to be listed at its binomial name, so I think that's a non-starter Jimfbleak - talk to me? 20:52, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Raised here for wider input Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:55, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

• Move to Common Wood Pigeon. Wood Pigeon (or Woodpigeon, either really) should be a dab page for the numerous species also know as woodpigeons (or wood pigeons), including the Kereru, as well the band and any other usages. Much the same as Goshawk is now the dab page for the many uses. Sabine's Sunbird talk 08:40, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

• Move as above. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 17:27, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

• You need to make it clear - do you mean "Woodpigeon" as in the nomination or "Common Wood Pigeon" as in the previous vote? Snowman (talk) 17:54, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant Common Wood Pigeon: it is used by the IOC, there is not just a single species of wood pigeon, and a space is generally inserted after the wood these days, so that the species can be listed as "Pigeon, Wood". 18:12, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Do yo mean "Pigeon, Common Wood"? I think this would be the category indexing. Snowman (talk)

That would be European field guides I referred to. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 19:05, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

• Move to Common Wood Pigeon agree with Sabine's that either wood pigeon or woodpigeon should be a dab, with the other as a redirect to the dab (please not wood-pigeon!) and the species should be per IOC Jimfbleak - talk to me? 18:06, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
• Move to Common Wood Pigeon. Agree it should be moved to IOC name, as is being done with the rest of the project's articles. MeegsC | Talk 18:10, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
• Move to Common Wood Pigeon which is the IOC name. I'd never heard or seen it as woodpigeon before. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:43, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
• Move to Common Wood Pigeon with a dab as suggested by Sabine's Sunbird. To spell things out, the British Ornithologists' Union lists the two names "Common Wood Pigeon" and "Woodpigeon". The former works for international use, and the latter for use in Europe where there's no danger of confusion. As an international encyclopedia, we should use the international name, and I see no reason to ignore the IOC on what that name is. —JerryFriedman (Talk) 19:34, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
• Move to Common Wood Pigeon per WP:Birds consensus on IOC names. Maias (talk) 04:50, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
• Clear consensus moving to IOC name Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:12, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

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"Sex Dance"

I noticed that the male woodpidgeon's courtship dance isn't mentioned in the artice, despite being quite notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.23.28.224 (talk) 17:42, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Whipcrack

A whipcrack is the sonic boom from the tip of a whip accelerating through the speed of sound (approx 330m/s).

Pigeon wings can beat at up to around 10 beats per second, and might be up to 20cm long(?). The wingtip might then be moving at as much as 400 cm per second (4 m/s).

Also, whipcrack effects would surely cause serious damage to flight feathers.

If you restore this, please cite.

MrDemeanour (talk) 12:27, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi

I was just wondering whether a bird expert could tell me what gender the "adult in Birmingham, England" is.-Thanks ReedBlower (talk) 13:05, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Ambiguous sentence

>The nests are vulnerable to attack, particularly by crows, because they live in the countryside, the more so early in the year when the leaf cover is not fully formed.

This sentence is very confusing, because it is ambiguously worded: I assume the intention is that wood pigeon nests are vulnerable to attacks by crows because both crows and wood pigeons often nest in rural areas; but because of the construction of the sentence, it is not clear what "they" is referring to. As well, this fact has no source cited, so I can not easily confirm the correct information and revise this sentence.

If anyone can find a source for this, I would suggest this sentence should be revised either to make it fully unambiguous or to correct the given information. Otherwise, if no one can provide a source for it, this should probably be deleted from the page. AllArtAfterAll (talk) 13:46, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

The sentence was just conjecture. "Living in the countryside" is a bit meaningless considering that is where a lot of birds live. Woodpigeons can breed early in the year and with less leaf cover, it is an interesting hypothesis that this would make them vulnerable but without some valid research to back this up, it has no place on Wikipedia. Periglio (talk) 07:16, 27 August 2022 (UTC)