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A fact from Church of St Thomas à Becket, Box appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 14 May 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the churchyard of the Church of St Thomas à Becket in Box, Wiltshire, includes a pyramidical tombstone (pictured, right) said to have been contrived to prevent the deceased's wife from dancing on his grave?

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 18:10, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Box church

... that St Thomas à Becket's church (pictured) is in a box? Source: Wiltshire Council

Reviewed: Battle of Cane Hill

5x expanded by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 10:22, 24 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: New enough and long enough (expanded from 309 to 1964 characters according to the Cut & Paste Character count). Well-written, neutral and well-sourced. Pic ok and QPQ done. Hook cited, unusual and interesting. Well done - seems good to go! Xwejnusgozo (talk) 13:46, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The hook is misleading; the church is in Box, not in a Box. I get the joke (😆) but this is not a play on words, it's a misuse of them. ——SN54129 08:15, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Not at all, Simply April Fools style. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 17:57, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The C of E, this would work nicely as an April Fool's hook, do you want to hold it over? Gatoclass (talk) 14:47, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Are we allowed to do that as it was created before last april fools day? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 19:13, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, it is not eligible for April Fools' for the reason you note; it will have to run as a regular hook, and be subject to the usual rules regarding them. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:23, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't think so. I'm fine for it to run as normal. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:41, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not very happy with promoting this hook. I wonder if @EEng: has any brilliant ideas? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:51, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I found this:

ALT1 ... that the churchyard of Church of St Thomas à Becket, Box includes a triangular pinnacle gravestone (pictured) said to have been contrived to prevent the deceased's wife from dancing on his grave? [Wording modified and pic added 17:22, 9 May 2020 (UTC)]

The source is [1]. E Eng 16:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to stick with the quirky Box joke so I've made it less AFD-y. ALT2 ... that St Thomas à Becket's church (pictured) is in the Box in England? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 16:59, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IMHO that's about a 50-click joke. E Eng 17:49, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 would work—and is plenty quirky—if the parenthetical was put between commas (no parentheticals allowed in DYK hooks)...and if the fact and source were added to the article. I find ALT2 confusing, not intriguing. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:47, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One simple issue, alt1 isn't even in the article so we can't use it so I am striking/vetoing it. Al2 is fine to stand as it is. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 10:24, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, duh, obviously the intent was that it would be added to the article if there was a desire to use it. Or that someone appreciating my heeding the call to help out this dishwater-dull nom might do that anyway. Striking someone else's suggestion because you like your own better isn't very sporting. I'll leave it to you to unstrike. E Eng 10:37, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Cwmhiraeth and Yoninah to see whether ALT2 is a hook that they feel they can promote to prep. If not, we're back to square one. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:32, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 is no better than ALT0; they are both equally poor, and all the former has done to change the latter is add a definitive. The original excuse for that ungrammaticism was that it was Simply April Fools style. Well, it didn't run on April Fool's; it's not going to run on April Fool's, so we can have a truly qwirky hook (ALT1, which is so qwirky as to verge on the bizarre!) rather than a misleading one. And can CoE please stop striking things he doesn't like? (Edit: added some pics of the pointy tomb) serial ^# 14:44, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for sharing your opinion on it but the simple fact is that the alt1 is not in the article and thus cannot be used so it has to be struck in accordance with policy. We already have one hook approved according to policy. I am happy to continue with that. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 16:52, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if it's the lockdown or what, CofE, but my recollections of you are perfectly pleasant and I don't recall you taking such pains to pose as obtuse; it's in the article now [2]. Three out of four editors commenting think A0/A2 falls flat, and while the nominator does get a quantum of extra deference in hook choice, I really think you might want to rethink this. I mean, you do want people to click, right? E Eng 17:22, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you EEng for visiting this ancient village church during the lockdown restrictions. I think your ALT1 hook is better than any of the others and will draw more clicks. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:45, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, and in the spirit of pacifying the unpacifyable, and hoping EEng appreciates the spirit this is offered in to all parties, etc., a combination of the two themes might work: Something like (example only, tweak or plough salt into the ground if appropriate)

ALT3...that a Box Church includes a triangular gravestone, pictured, said to have been contrived to prevent the deceased's wife from dancing on his grave?

Juxtaposition of the cubic and pyramdal :) serial ^# 18:02, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Add me as the fifth vote of approval. Special thanks to EEng and Serial Number 54129 for turning this from a one-click wonder into a real winner! Yoninah (talk) 18:10, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]