Talk:Characters of The Last of Us Part II

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Hdolf (talk) 07:02, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

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Motion capture suits

• ... that the character performances of The Last of Us Part II were recorded using motion capture (as pictured)? Source: VG247
  • ALT1:... that the writers of The Last of Us Part II wanted to develop "the most multifaceted characters you've seen in games"? Source: Wired

• Reviewed: Ken McKenzie

Created by Rhain (talk). Self-nominated at 10:59, 11 July 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Though copyvio catches few lines they may need to be dealt with. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 13:53, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

@CAPTAIN MEDUSA:, why did you approve a review and also say there might be copyvio issues? Questions on copyvio must be resolved before the nomination move forward, or before this can be claimed as a QPQ credit. Flibirigit (talk) 16:38, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• You can't do anything about the full title of the game or official titles. And the site (user) it catches from says licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution licence. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 10:22, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• That does not answer why a review was approved when a concern was listed. The review also failed to make a single comment about any other DYK criteria. Flibirigit (talk) 11:29, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• @Flibirigit: There's a reviewer's template filled out above the reviewer's comment. I checked Earwigs and I don't see any close paraphrasing; all text from the sources has been put in quotes. CAPTAIN MEDUSA, what did you mean by your comment about few lines they may need to be dealt with? I don't see anything that needs to be dealt with. Yoninah (talk) 14:52, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah, It seems that they are resolved. They don't appear anymore, strange. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 10:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• Great, thanks. Before I restore your tick, however, I think the hooks are rather weak, especially if the nominator wants an image slot. Rhain, do you have any better suggestions? Yoninah (talk) 11:12, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: How about:

• ALT2: ... that the actors of The Last of Us Part II (pictured) could improvise their performances and were allowed up to 20 or 30 takes? Source: The Telegraph
• ALT3: ... that the character performances of The Last of Us Part II were recorded using motion capture suits (pictured) and head-mounted cameras that track facial muscles and eye movements? Source: GQ

– Rhain ☔ 00:37, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

NOTE: I am satisfied the QPQ is now valid, and have no further questions. Flibirigit (talk) 00:51, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you, ALT2 is better. Paywalled ref AGF and cited inline. Rest of review per CAPTAIN MEDUSA. ALT2 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 10:08, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Merging with List of The Last of Us Characters

I would like to propose that this article be merged with List of The Last of Us characters; the main benefit of this would be that, as several characters appear in both games, it would be better if the relevant information was compiled in a single article. Furthermore, the two games form part of a single franchise, and most list articles for characters in fictional works encompass the entire relevant franchise, rather than dividing the article by installment. --LordNimon (talk) 03:00, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm strongly opposed to this. The only characters with sections on both articles are Joel and Ellie, and Tommy is the only other notable secondary character across both games. Even more important is the development and reception information; the games, especially the characters, were so distinctly different in their development that I think any attempt to merge the two articles would be messy and confusing. I think the reception is similarly different for many reasons. Most importantly, though, the characters of Part II are independently notable enough to justify a split. – Rhain ☔ 03:39, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

I will accept your reasoning, but it still feels odd that the TLOU character list is split, when similar articles for most franchises are merged. Also, do you think it would be acceptable to include info from Part 2 in List of The Last of Us characters for characters that appear in both games? I also think that, if we are going to maintain separate articles, we should mention in the intro to List of The Last of Us characters that the list only covers Part I, as the title alone is ambiguous. --LordNimon (talk) 20:17, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

It's a valid concern, but simply referring to other similar articles feels like a case of WP:OSE to me. I think there's enough information to justify the Part II list. I've added brief mentions to Joel, Ellie, Tommy, and Maria's sections in the first game's list (anything beyond that is unnecessary), as well as a hatnote that links to Part II's list for clarification. – Rhain ☔ 00:56, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much!--LordNimon (talk) 03:04, 11 August 2020 (UTC)