Talk:Belizean–Guatemalan territorial dispute

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Jan 27 '09: This was a stub (see above) and still is (to a lesser degree), but I expanded it to at least 3 times longer (it had 1494 stuff in the '20th century' heading, and little detail about the intervening centuries, i.e. how 2 imperial powers both came to claim the same land):

1. Added colonial-era histories, but please do add more info if any history is relevant to the dispute, especially the more modern history (I probably have some mild POV toward one side then the other at various points in history but tried to keep it overall balanced. And possible inaccuracies in the "transition to crown colony" period?). There's already an article British Honduras so I've generally tried to reference that article whilst keeping this page's British-Honduras era very limited. In that British Honduras webpage, you'll find a LONG section with POST-British-Honduras history! Maybe move the POST-Brit-Honduras history from there to here assuming people active on the British Honduras webpage agree, since British Honduras already references this webpage? (many things in this part of the British Honduras page[1] are after 1964 (the end of Brit Honduras's existence) so that seems more relevant to this webpage than Brit Honduras, dunnit? But it would be a time-consuming process of sorting out what belongs in both articles, or just one or the other.)

2. 1859 treaty said Guatemala will GIVE UP its Belize claim (opposite of how the article's first paragraph said [before I edited it] that Guatemala's first claim TO the land was immediately in 1859... someone seemed to be confusing the fact that Guate USED the 1859 treaty MANY YEARS LATER [after 1859] to say since that 1859 treaty is null-and-void, they no longer need to GIVE UP their claim to Belize, as promised in 1859. The article now reflects this). I also googled like hell to find an "1851" treaty (because this article before my edits today claimed 1851; an 1859 treaty is widely known), and found nothing on any 1851 treaties. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.155.196.211 (talk) 15:30, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What territory does Guatemala actually claim?

The article just says that Guatemala believes they "are owed more than half of Belize's land mass"? Which half? What would be the boundaries of Guatemala's supposed full territory? Kaldari (talk) 08:21, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The text says that Guatemala claims land south of the Sibun River, but the one map doesn't even have said river on it. As far as I can tell, it isn't even one of the unlabeled rivers. 69.160.210.168 (talk) 00:00, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A more accurate map can be found at https://web.archive.org/web/20171010202415im_/http://atlas-caraibe.certic.unicaen.fr/en/image-251.jpg. Kaldari (talk) 07:02, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

confusing tag

I am removing the 'confusing' tag immediately since it does not comply with responsible tagging guidelines as per [tagging] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ant9n (talk • contribs) 17:00, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned references in Belizean–Guatemalan territorial dispute

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Belizean–Guatemalan territorial dispute's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "cs":

From British Honduras: Bolland, Nigel. "Belize: Historical Setting". In A Country Study: Belize (Tim Merrill, editor). Library of Congress Federal Research Division (January 1992). This article incorporates text from this source, which is in the public domain.
From Belize: Bolland, Nigel (January 1992). Tim Merrill (ed.). "Belize: Historical Setting". A Country Study: Belize. Library of Congress Federal Research Division.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 20:48, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Poor projection

It's a tragedy to use Mercator or whatever that is for the map on this page. The north part of the western border is defined as being due north, and on that map it's a slanted line. If there's a map making group on Wikipedia, this seems like a great candidate for an update. —Ben Brockert (42) 22:45, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Removing the Refimprove banner

I have spent the last 3 months improving and citing the article. I believe there are sufficient primary and secondary sources, enough to warrant removal of the banner. I do not claim that the article is perfect, as there are large portions derived from single secondary sources, but it is a vast improvement from the state of the article in 2018. I will leave the banner up for a month from this talk post to allow any contributors to make their case in support, opposition, or neutrality on the matter. This should allow for the most amount of contributors to pass by since the 21 September, Belize's independence day, is in this timeline, which means redirects and links towards this article are at their peak. Should no response come through by 30 September, 2022, the silent consensus is Support. Gett Numbers (talk) 20:00, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Belice submitted response to the ICJ

https://www.sanpedrosun.com/community-and-society/2023/06/08/belize-guatemala-territorial-dispute-case-moving-to-oral-hearings-at-the-icj/ Kmwittko (talk) 13:59, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]