Talk:Awilda

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Date?

What's the basis for the fifth century date? The story comes from Saxo Grammaticus, but his chronology is all over the place. I've seen some reckonings that place Alfhild as late as the eighth or even the ninth century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.135.40.178 (talk) 17:07, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable statement

", her story is still considered fact by Scandinavians."

Considered fact by whom? Scandinavian researchers? Scandinavian common people? Scandinavian School-system? I think this above is a huge generalisation.

primary source?

Does anyone know the primary source of this story? Is it written anywhere or has it been passed down orally? Geraanne 21:13, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Saxo Grammaticus. 66.61.141.157 (talk) 06:12, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article is copied from the Norwegian Wikipedia

Somebody translated part -- and only part! -- of the Awilda article from the Norwegian WIkipedia and glued it in to Wikipedia here. The reference is <http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awilda>. Now, before somone angrily tells me that Wikipedia isn't considered a "reliable" source, I know that -- but that didn't stop someone from copying the Norwegian article and putting part of it here. The Norwegian article has a bunch of references (which the copier left out, but I included below) and you can look them up if you want to.

Here's an additional reference, in Japanese, that the Norwegians didn't add:

"Moe Moe War Maidens Encyclopedia" 萌え萌え戦乙女事典. 2008. Eagle Publishing. ISBN 978-4-86146-139-2. pages 20-21. You can find this book on amazon.co.jp if you search their website using the ISBN 4861461391.

Timothy Perper (talk) 00:26, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the references from the Norwegian Wikipedia. I don't vouch for their accuracy, just their existence.

Legenden om den kvinnelige sjørøveren Alwilda, og varianter av dette navnet synes å ha sin eldste opprinnelse hos den danske krønikeskribenten Saxo Grammaticus (død 1220). Ingen av de navnene som Saxo oppgir kan stedfestes til historiske figurer. Alwildas far oppgis å ha vært en «Synardus», en konge på Gotland (REF) The Project Gutenberg eBook, The Pirates Own Book (end REF), og navnet Alf har ingen likhet med noen mytiske danske konger. Han ble også kalt «Siger» i en kilde (REF) The Percy Anecdotes (end REF)

Dateringen blir tidvis plassert til rundt 500-tallet, noe som synes usannsynlig, skjønt en kilde forsøker seg med 1100-tallet, antagelig for å knytte fortellingen nærmere til Saxos levetid (REF) Daring Pirate Women av Anne Wallace Sharp (2002) (end REF).

Middelalderens skribenter skilte ikke like skarpt mellom mytiske og faktiske figurer, og Saxo har særlig utmerket seg med fantasifulle skildringer. På begynnelsen av 1800-tallet kom det flere fargefulle og melodramatiske bøker med illustrasjoner i tresnitt som beskrev piratenes spennende liv, eksempelvis Charles Ellms’ The Pirates Own Book: Authentic Narratives of the Most Celebrated Sea Robbers (Piratenes egen bok: Autentiske fortellinger av de mest beryktete sjørøvere, 1837) (REF) Rob Ossian's Pirate Cave! (end REF) (REF) Google bøker: The Pirates Own Book (end REF). Fortellingen om Alwilda dukket gjerne opp innledningsvis, og har blitt gjentatt siden, eksempelvis i moderne populærhistorisk litteratur som Daring Pirate Women av Anne Wallace Sharp (2002) (end REF) (REF)Google bøker: Daring Pirate Women (end REF).

Andre nordiske kvinner som det også etter sigende skal ha vært pirater er navn som Sela og Rusla og søstrene Russila og Stikla, etter sigende skal samtlige av disse ha kommet fra Norge (REF) Norse who went plundering, av Cindy Vallar. (end REF)

Timothy Perper (talk) 00:58, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You already have an article with references about Awilda/Alfhild here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alf_and_Alfhild

Leos Friend (talk) 13:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's a brief article, yes, but the references are not what I think we need for documenting the history and tales of Awilda. Timothy Perper (talk) 19:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

This article covers basically the same material as Alf and Alfhild. I propose that they be merged. Alfhild appears to be the spelling preferred in English-language scholarly material with a brief look searching "Alfhild gesta danorum", "Awilda gesta danorum", "Alvilda gesta danorum". PikaSamus (talk) 01:43, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Side note: An acquaintance looked into this for me, and the Awilda spelling used in this article (and found in several places in the internet) seems to be dubious and probably originates from a misspelling in a single instance in the Project Gutenberg e-book of The Pirates Own Book (and all other instances of the name are Alwilda, and physical copies of the book use Alwilda in this instance) which was published shortly before this Wikipedia article was made (with no sources), and then the Awilda spelling presumably spread due to Wikipedia. PikaSamus (talk) 05:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]