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On 27 November 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Anora (film) to Anora. The result of the discussion was moved.

Ani's ethnicity

@Midwood123: Hello there. What type of hyphenated American is Anora? Your edit summary said her surname isn't Uzbek, so I'm confused. I see that this is not the first time this issue has come up, so I'm going to identify some sourcing on both sides for clarity.

News reports/reviews saying Anora is Uzbek-American: 1) Time, Rachel Sonis 2) Los Angeles Times, Glenn Whipp 3) The New Yorker, Justin Chang 4) NPR, also Justin Chang 5) The Hollywood Reporter, David Rooney 6) The AV Club, Emma Keates 7) Maxim, unnamed staffers 8) RogerEbert.com, Ben Kenigsberg

Sources saying she is of Russian ethnicity or Russian-American: 1) Sean Baker told NPR that "She is ethnic Russian, so she's from one of the post-Soviet countries," which just adds to the confusion. 2) David Ehrlich, IndieWire 3) David Fear, Rolling Stone 4) Fran Hoepfner, Vulture 5) Radhika Seth, Vogue 6) RogerEbert.com, Tomris Laffly

Fundamentally, I agree with you that Uzbekistan is never mentioned in the movie, only Russia/Russian. But given that a number of media sources are nonetheless calling her Uzbek-American, it sounds like Neon said that Anora was Uzbek-American in the press kit (which I can't find; unlike Megalopolis (film), there doesn't appear to be a press kit posted on the Cannes website).

Ultimately, I think the easiest thing to do is to call her an "Uzbek-American of Russian ethnicity," although I admit that's a mouthful.

Thanks in advance for any comments. Namelessposter (talk) 01:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Namelessposter Hi, thanks for seeking to clarify this. I saw the film yesterday and there is nothing in it to indicate that she is Uzbek. Uzbeks are, of course, a distinct central Asian, Turkic and Muslim ethnic group and usually have Turkic last names and identifying traits. Anora doesn't have any of that anywhere in the film. Her surname is identified as Mikheeva which just sounds like a typical Russian-language name and not tied to Uzbeks or Uzbekistan at all. She mentions in the movie that her mother lives in Miami and that her grandmother spoke no English, so it sounds like it is implied that her family immigrated a while ago (maybe 70s to early 2000s) while the ethnic Uzbek immigration generally is much more recent. This is all confirmed by Baker himself telling NPR that she is ethnic Russian.

I understand and agree that the Uzbek part is mentioned in a lot of media sources but I think what is actually in the movie and said by the director (with NPR also being a reliable source) should be matter more than what was reported by news outlets in anticipation to the film (especially when we can't find what those news outlets based it on, for all we know they may have just looked at this wikipedia page and misreported it as a result).

I don't think it is really my position but rather Baker's own position and what is contained in the film. Maybe we can put something into the production section that she was initially identified as Uzbek by news outlets before the film came out, but that Baker later clarified in the NPR interview that she was ethnic Russian and not from any one FSU country. But explicitly identifying her as an Uzbek character is just not accurate. Midwood123 (talk) 02:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, as you responded I came across some more media sources saying that Anora is Russian-American. I retract my earlier statement that there is a media consensus that she is Uzbek. Namelessposter (talk) 02:10, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To your actual suggestion, Baker, as the director-writer-editor, is plainly the highest authority on the matter. I think our best bet right now is to modify the cast list to use Baker's specific words, and to leave out any mention of being Uzbek-American because it doesn't seem to play a role in the movie in any way. Namelessposter (talk) 02:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree on Baker being the highest authority and am fine with just leaving it out, as you said. The only reason I think there might be value in specifically writing in the Production section that she is not Uzbek after all is because there was apparently some controversy regarding this on Uzbekistani social media due to the initial reporting. It seems from the other entry on this talk page that a producer on the film had even specified in an earlier edit that she is ethnic Russian and that publications that identified her as Uzbek were incorrect. (Of course, there is the conflict-of-interest issue with that producer, but it adds to the overall evidence about this having been a case of news outlets reporting her ethnicity incorrectly.)

But all that or not is neither here nor there for me, as long as we don't incorrectly identify her as Uzbek. Midwood123 (talk) 02:27, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I've edited the main page to emphasize Baker's statement while making note of the contrary reporting. Feel free to rephrase as appropriate, of course. Namelessposter (talk) 03:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm with y'all that she should be listed as Russian and Baker is the highest authority. If someone wants to think she's Uzbek, that's one of the former soviet countries, that's a former Soviet republic, but she just as well might have been from somewhere else. Kire1975 (talk) 03:16, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Uzbek or not Uzbek?

There have been several edits going back and forth - here, here, here and here, among others - about whether the title character is Uzbek or not. There was some initial reporting that she was, but there appears to be no mention in the movie of this and her surname is not Uzbek according to some editors.

I would like to point out one of these edit summaries, by User:Casperthekid reads: I'm the producer on the film and this is the correct information about the main character. An incorrect synopsis has been published by some publications and states the incorrect information.. It's obviously WP:COI and they were given a warning, but it seems pretty authoritative.

Then again, this is Wikipdea, and we do go by what the sources and both Time magazine and Los Angeles Times repeated that the character was Uzbek three or four days ago.

Potentially involved, or interested, editors may include User:Midwood123 and User:Namelessposter. If this is going to result in persistent edit disputes, we should at least acknowledge it on the talk page and try to come to some consensus. Kire1975 (talk) 02:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I think our ships may have passed in the night, as Midwood123 and I have already been having a productive conversation on this page regarding this issue. I would be fine just saying Anora is of Russian ethnicity given Baker's comments. Namelessposter (talk) 02:16, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wild. I swear it was blank when I started writing this. I was delayed by something, it took over an hour to post. Ships passed in the night indeed. Kire1975 (talk) 02:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ending

I don’t think Igor is trying to kiss her. He forces her to stop and look at him (and at herself). And then she breaks out in tears and finally let her pain out. 2A02:A210:A7A5:3C00:B4BD:40B5:9ABE:C97B (talk) 18:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chronology

After the wedding, Vanya offhandedly mentions that he hopes to use Ani to obtain a green card so that he will not have to go home and work for his inattentive father.

He actually muses about the green card shortly before his marriage proposal, while he and Ani are still in bed in his parents' house. (I'd correct it, but I've apparently been barred by people with less editing experience.)
Also, is it really necessary to keep saying "the film… the film… the film…" when it's obvious that "the film" is being referred to? How about simply "it"? Pronouns are your friends. – 2604:3D08:447C:B600:E0C8:ACFF:3CA9:CBD0 (talk) 12:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 November 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Frost 11:38, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anora (film) → Anora
Anora → Anora (disambiguation)

– The film article overwhelmingly has the primary topic by usage (98.4% of pageviews, and 99.6% for 2024). Wikinav is showing views looking at the dab page overwhelmingly going to the film as well. You will also be hard-pressed to find Anora Group, Añora or Anora Davlyatova's usage in reliable sources, which overwhelmingly are in reference to the film. I believe the film is highly likely to be the topic sought when a reader searches for this term, and the others are not. The usage makes evident that Sean Baker's film is the primary topic. Οἶδα (talk) 06:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support A lot of the sources called Anora relate to the film. KOLANO12 3 07:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Nothing else is named "Anora" exactly.—indopug (talk) 08:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support as per above, nothing else is named Anora verbatim </MarkiPoli> <talk /><cont /> 10:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The group is probably called just "Anora" (the logo doesn't use "Group") and the place would be searched by "Anora" in English as people generally won't know to type diacritics. The film is recent so is probably not primary by long-term significance. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:22, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A small Finnish distillery group whose brand came into existence in 2021 is more notable than this Palme d'Or winner? The same page that has accrued a meager 22,000 pageviews across three years compared with over 2.3 million views in seven months for this film? That isn't changing any time soon. The film page peaked at 89,000 pageviews, but it has remained at a median of 5,000 pageviews daily. Anora Group has a median of 21 pageviews daily. Anora Group is also a WP:NATURALDIS of that 'Anora'[1]. As for the place being searched in English by people who "generally won't know to type diacritics", Wikinav shows overwhelming traffic going to this article and not to a small municipality in Spain. There is no spread of multiple significant usages whatsoever. That is the function of a dab page and a hatnote on the primary topic's article. The film is unquestionably the primary topic by usage. I believe the usage demonstrates it is highly likely to be the topic sought when a reader searches for this term, and the others are not. I don't know how you determined that it is "probably not primary by long-term significance". I would not claim to know as much and would be curious to see if there are other users who share your evaluation. Οἶδα (talk) 00:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 07:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Insufficient disambiguation with Añora. Theparties (talk) 19:49, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A hatnote would be sufficient (WP:SMALLDETAILS). Οἶδα (talk) 21:50, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as the primary topic. "Anora Group" and "Añora" have extremely low page views, 22 and 4 a day, respectively, this year to date. While the film is out now, making me initially concerned about WP:RECENTISM, even the oldest Neon film from 2017, Colossal (film), has 900 page views a day. Films like these, arthouse films that get plenty of critical attention, tend to have well-visited articles. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 21:23, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Genre

Can we have a discussion about what the genre should be called? Someone recently changed it from romantic comedy drama to romantic comedy, but the the latter is s a sub-genre of comedy and romance fiction, focusing on lighthearted, humorous plot lines centered on romantic ideas according to its wikipage and "lighthearted" does not describe Anora at all. I changed it to "sex dramedy" because many sources I've seen have described it as a sex comedy and it has plenty of drama elements. We can go on changing it on he page and reverting each other, but I'd like to get some kind of consensus on what it should actually be. Kire1975 (talk) 15:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's a romantic drama with black comedic elements, so "romantic black comedy drama" perhaps is the best descriptor IMO. Yes, the film has plenty of sex, but a "sex comedy" is kinda misleading. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 07:03, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now it says "romantic comedy drama" but the bluelink points to romantic comedy. Why's this so difficult? Kire1975 (talk) 21:44, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:FILMGENRE says, "Genre classifications should comply with WP:WEIGHT and reflect what is specified by a majority of mainstream reliable sources." So we need to go with what most reliable sources have called the film and avoid WP:SYNTH (as in, not putting together where one source says one thing, another source says another). We don't have to stuff the first sentence with all the possible genres. The film's premise in the second or later sentence can illustrate more fully all the different elements the film has. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 23:43, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indie Spirit Awards nominations for Anora

Here Are Your 2025 Film Independent Spirit Award Nominees! Espngeek (talk) 20:55, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added Οἶδα (talk) 21:25, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hatnote

Yes, but this specific one I agree with the original hatnote because the diacritic makes it the exact same spelling, and thus qualifies it as directly distinguishable.

@Cinemaniac86: That's all the more reason not to single out Añora. Even if there was another article named "Anora (...)" we wouldn't link to it. That's what a dab page is for. Nardog (talk) 11:49, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]