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Q1: Should slavery be presented as the most important cause of the war? (Yes.)

A1: Yes. Slavery was the most important cause of the war. Wikipedia requires that we rely on the best officially documented research available, without any original research or undue weight to fringe theories.

After the war, some movements sought to advance Lost Cause interpretations, arguing that the Confederacy was not primarily fighting to defend slavery. While these have been popular in some quarters, the vast majority of historians do not support these interpretations, including best historians (McPherson, Nevins, Freehling and even the better Southern historians such as Potter). Ironically, during the crisis that led to the outbreak of war, Confederate politicians openly presented preservation of slavery as the central issue, in their own words. They mentioned fears for the future of slavery many times in their declarations of reasons for secession, political speeches and editorials. Abraham Lincoln and Alexander Stephens had the following to say:

"You think slavery is right and should be extended; while we think slavery is wrong and ought to be restricted. That I suppose is the rub." - From Abraham Lincoln's letter to Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens, Dec 22, 1860

"We at the South do think African slavery, as it exists with us, both morally and politically right. This opinion is founded upon the inferiority of the black race. You, however, and perhaps a majority of the North, think it wrong." - From Stephens' reply to Lincoln, Dec 30, 1860

It is true that Abraham Lincoln and Jefferson Davis both downplayed the slavery issue after the war began. As historian James Ford Rhodes explained, Davis hoped to get support from Britain and France, where slavery was unpopular, and Lincoln needed to keep the loyalty of the border states, which were both pro-slavery and pro-Union. This is why in statements like the Crittenden–Johnson Resolution, northern politicians argued they were only fighting to preserve the Union. Similarly, Lincoln's sole justification for the Emancipation Proclamation was military necessity. Holzer, Striner and Brewster note that Lincoln needed to portray the emancipation in a way that was acceptable to the border states and War Democrats.

Q2: Were tariffs and states' rights similar in importance? (No.)

A2: No. The tariff issue and states' rights were factors, and there were others. These are all included in the article. However, no issue was as important as slavery.

The original secessionists were not very careful in separating states' rights from the slavery issue. They defended both states' rights (such as secession) and federal power (such as the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850), depending on which suited slavery with each controversy. South Carolina's declaration of reasons for secession is one example out of many. However, Lost Cause historians did subsequently portray the Confederacy as consistent defenders of states' rights.

The tariff issue had been a much larger issue three decades before the war, and even then John Calhoun, who led South Carolina's attempt to nullify the Tariff of 1828, said that the tariff issue was related to slavery. In his March 6, 1860 speech at New Haven, Lincoln had said that the slavery issue was more important than the tariff or any other issue.

Q3: Did Lincoln propose to immediately abolish slavery in the South when elected? (No.)

A3: No. Lincoln combined moral opposition to slavery (calling it "a monstrous injustice") with a moderate, gradual program of action. Lincoln, like most Republicans, believed that compromises of the Constitution (a three-fifths clause, a 20 year extension of the African slave trade and a fugitive slave clause) implied constitutional recognition of slavery where it existed. However, Lincoln would not compromise on preventing any expansion of slavery in the hope that this would put it "in the course of ultimate extinction."

Q4: Did Lincoln believe in racial equality? (Mostly.)

A4: In the context of the 19th century, being seen as a "Black Republican" abolitionist would be politically damaging. Lincoln was inconsistent on the equality issue during the Lincoln-Douglas debates of 1858, partly in order to deflect this charge. However, the things Lincoln said in favor of equality were many (including Abraham Lincoln's second inaugural address and his Cooper Union speech), while the things he said against it were few, and those few were combined with a great deal of political pressure. While Lincoln and other northern politicians did not always advocate equality, this should not be given undue weight, especially as they wanted to give far more rights to black people than the Confederate politicians. At a July 10, 1858 Speech at Chicago Lincoln said, "I have always hated slavery, I think as much as any Abolitionist."

Q5: Should the article refer to the states that allowed slavery as slave states? (Yes.)

A5: Yes, because their politicians referred to them as slave states, and because slavery related concerns were by far the major complaint mentioned by secessionists. After the outbreak of war, the slave states became divided between the Confederate states and the border states.

Q6: Did some slave states fight for the North? (Yes.)

A6: Yes, the five border states. These states had less slavery and more support for the Union than the Confederate slave states. They opposed emancipation at first, but largely accepted the military need for it eventually. Kentucky and Missouri had more slavery than the rest, and had loyalties that were more divided than the rest. For example, Missouri's Governor Claiborne Jackson was a southern sympathizer, but was prevented from seceding by Union Brigadier General Nathaniel Lyon. Missouri saw some of the worst guerrilla fighting of the entire war because of its divisions over slavery.

Q7: Should the title be American Civil War? (Yes.)

A7: Yes. The title "American Civil War" is used only because it is the most common international name for the war. It is used in order to be understood, regardless of whether it could be better. The title does ignore the South's point of view, and it ignores the fact that Central America and South America are also America, in a sense. The other names should be mentioned, but not in this article. They are mentioned in Naming the American Civil War. The main article links to this.

Q8: Did the South start the war? (Yes.)

A8: The South bombarded and seized Fort Sumter, a federal fort in South Carolina. Historians regard this as the incident in which the actual fighting began.

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Section sizes

Section size for American Civil War (64 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	15,353	15,353
Origins	6,010	7,997
Lincoln's election	1,987	1,987
Outbreak of the war	24	21,159
Secession crisis	10,623	10,623
Battle of Fort Sumter	3,273	3,273
Attitude of the border states	7,239	7,239
War	681	26,578
Mobilization	5,827	5,827
Southern Unionists	686	686
Prisoners	788	788
Women	2,034	2,034
Naval tactics	3,242	3,242
Union blockade	1,310	6,583
Blockade runners	1,788	1,788
Economic impact	3,485	3,485
Diplomacy	6,737	6,737
Eastern theater	711	11,206
Background	19	3,007
Army of the Potomac	527	527
Army of Northern Virginia	2,461	2,461
Battles	7,488	7,488
Western theater	597	8,393
Background	19	1,237
Army of the Tennessee and Army of the Cumberland	855	855
Army of Tennessee	363	363
Battles	6,559	6,559
Trans-Mississippi theater	95	5,138
Background	802	802
Battles	4,241	4,241
Lower seaboard theater	91	3,746
Background	431	431
Battles	3,224	3,224
Pacific coast theater	476	476
Conquest of Virginia	2,033	6,634
Grant's Overland Campaign	1,324	1,324
Sheridan's Valley Campaign	1,254	1,254
Sherman's March to the Sea	1,266	1,266
The Waterloo of the Confederacy	757	757
End of the war	10,330	10,330
Union victory	10,636	10,636
Casualties	10,311	10,311
Emancipation	2,927	14,710
Emancipation Proclamation	11,783	11,783
Reconstruction	4,783	4,783
Memory and historiography	2,540	13,814
Lost Cause	3,983	3,983
Battlefield preservation	3,478	3,478
Commemoration	1,783	1,783
Technological significance	2,030	2,030
In works of culture and art	927	4,263
Literature	1,022	1,022
Film	1,134	1,134
Music	362	362
Video games	818	818
See also	645	645
Notes	46	46
References	15,098	39,345
Bibliography	188	15,545
Sources referenced	15,357	15,357
Web sources	470	470
Further reading	6,275	6,275
Soldier life: North and South	1,957	1,957
External links	2,809	2,809
Total	218,372	218,372

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Leonard, Elizabeth D. (1999). All the Daring of the Soldier: Women of the Civil War Armies (1st ed.). W.W. Norton & Co. ISBN 0-3930-4712-1.

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I found this on CitationHunt and my account isn't old enough to directly edit. I don't care about the Confederates (derogatory) but I did find reputable citations that I'd like to offer:Keslambo (talk) 00:46, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The one clear Confederate victory in the West was the Battle of Chickamauga. After Rosecrans' successful Tullahoma Campaign, Bragg, reinforced by Lt. Gen. James Longstreet's corps (from Lee's army in the east), defeated Rosecrans, despite the heroic defensive stand of Maj. Gen. George Henry Thomas.[citation needed]

Encyclopedia Virginia states that this guy's defensive stand in Chickamauga earned him the nickname "the Rock of Chickamauga" which I believe directly addresses the latter part of that section. (https://encyclopediavirginia.org/entries/thomas-george-h-1816-1870/)

To address the former part of the second sentence, I believe it should be reworded with this section reading:

The one clear Confederate victory in the West was the Battle of Chickamauga.

Following Rosecran's successful Tullahoma Campaign[citation exists in article: [1], Rosecran was defeated by Bragg, despite the heroic defensive stand of Maj. Gen. George Henry Thomas[proposed citation above: https://encyclopediavirginia.org/entries/thomas-george-h-1816-1870/]. Bragg was reinforced by Lt. Gen. James Longstreet's corps (from Lee's army in the east)[I can also provide a National Park Service Historical Handbook citation for that: https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/hh/25/hh25e.htm]. Keslambo (talk) 00:46, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Keslambo: Welcome to Wikipedia. Could you summarize this into a "Change X to Y" format, preferably in a reply to this message? — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 12:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes of course and I will do that in the future. Thank you for the tip @BerryForPerpetuity!

Please change [The one clear Confederate victory in the West was the Battle of Chickamauga. After Rosecrans' successful Tullahoma Campaign, Bragg, reinforced by Lt. Gen. James Longstreet's corps (from Lee's army in the east), defeated Rosecrans, despite the heroic defensive stand of Maj. Gen. George Henry Thomas.[citation needed]] to [Following Rosecran's successful Tullahoma Campaign[1], Rosecran was defeated by Bragg, despite the heroic defensive stand of Maj. Gen. George Henry Thomas[2] Bragg was reinforced by Lt. Gen. James Longstreet's corps (from Lee's army in the east).[3] Keslambo (talk) 23:44, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is the X next to abraham lincolns name really necessary?

He was only assasinated after the war, so is it needed? Pidger (talk) 20:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He was assassinated a little over one month before (14 April) the formal end of the war as the article defines it (26 May). AntiDionysius (talk) 20:48, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Change "The war left between 620,000 and 750,000 soldiers dead" to "The war left an estimated 698,000 soldiers dead, with the true number likely falling between 647,439 and 748,561"

Reference: Barceló, J., Jensen, J. L., Peisakhin, L., & Zhai, H. (2024). New estimates of US Civil War mortality from full-census records. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 121(48), e2414919121. https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2414919121 Academic world 2020 (talk) 17:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: It's not clear to me that this formulation is meaningfully more accurate or helpful to a general readership. Remsense ‥ 论 20:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do actually think we should use the new data here; I'd meant to get around to reading the paper and figuring out how to present it. But it's clearly important new data, the NYtimes ran an article about it yesterday. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 21:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"The war resulted in an estimated 698,000 soldier deaths"

This formulation reflects the most accurate figure available to date. This estimate is based on the comprehensive analysis presented in PNAS. Also, the findings have been highlighted in a recent New York Times article.

Barceló, J., Jensen, J. L., Peisakhin, L., & Zhai, H. (2024). New estimates of US Civil War mortality from full-census records. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 121(48), e2414919121. https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2414919121

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/19/health/civil-war-death-toll.html 5.195.74.110 (talk) 19:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I updated the lead and the casualties section. I didn't end up amending the infobox yet because its a bear, and this new source doesn't actually give precise "this is how many died on each side" numbers. Although with more work it might be possible to divine the number out of it yet...its just very dense. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 21:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lincolns assassination in the lead

I didn't mean to cause such chaos by changing a this to a that :P My original wording of that phrase was intended to show that Lincoln lived to see Lee's surrender, which was the death knell of the confederacy. I.e. Lincoln lived to see victory, and then was killed shortly thereafter. It's a way to mention his assassination, which needs a lead level mention for sure, and to make it read in an interesting and helpful manner. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 18:25, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Maurice Magnus @Slatersteven CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 18:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Summary checks

I've been working on the Attacks on the United States article and I wrote some summaries for the few Confederate campaigns against the Union (i.e. campaigns against the U.S.). Can someone who is familiar enough with the Civil War take a look to make sure (1) I didn't butcher any of the campaign summaries and (2) make sure nothing else is needed for the summaries? See (Attacks on the United States#American Civil War (October 1859–May 1865)). The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 17:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lincoln - "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it"

"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that." Lincoln carefully noted that this represented his official position" - Abraham Lincoln to Horace Greeley, Friday, August 22, 1862 (Clipping from Aug. 23, 1862 Daily National Intelligencer, Washington, D.C.)

Hi! I would like to ask why this quote is not in the entire Wikipedia. It gives a completely different meaning to the character of Lincoln and the tone of the entire war. If there is something wrong with this quote, you could add it and give some annotations, because this quote is VERY popular in non-American media.

Very often, in media other than the American one, the basis of the war is more libertarian-economic, and only after a few years the Union added to the war the motto to free slaves, "just to encourage black people to join the war." and to "spread moral superiority".

This approach is mainly found in Poland, Germany and Russia.

And please don't delete it like last time, just reply normally because the answer "Some nationalist troll XD" is just pathetic. 2A02:A31A:C2AF:A900:2CCE:1385:3D14:E2C0 (talk) 15:55, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Try reading this page Abraham Lincoln, and wp:soapbox. Slatersteven (talk) 15:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If there is an appropriate place for the quote in the article, and original research is not being done, then feel free to add it. Just10A (talk) 17:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When a quote is provided, you normally need a quote to explain its relevance and what it meant. TFD (talk) 20:04, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lincoln made it clear many times that he hated slavery but needed the border states, which were both pro-slavery and pro-Union. He wanted to prepare them to accept the military need for emancipation. If you add the quote you should add the full context of circumstances surrounding it and Lincoln's other well known statements about slavery, without cherry picking.Michaelbtfsplk (talk) 22:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]