Talk:Adesua Etomi

AS PER POLICY

@Darreg Hello, The author & editor of this page has a WP:COI with subject of the article of which she had affirmed by statement made indicting herself as subject's manager. from this, i believe, as per wikipedia guidelines and polices, she should not even be contributing majorly to this page. Indeed the article was created by the AFC process, but she has failed to indicate this in the article's talk page as per WP:DISCLOSE and has chosen not to develop the encylopedia by continously adding unsourced text to a WP:BLP despite imperative advice from both @Jamie Tubers &Versace1608. I'm sorry Darreg but the tag would be re-included until she follows due process and ceases actions in tune with disruptive editing. until the editor Msjazzyfed has accomplished the pre-requisites, i think it is only plausible the COI tag remains. Celestina007 (talk) 16:51, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't know how to explain this to you. There are issues on Wikipedia that you learn by observing how similar issues are dealt with. Just because there is a confirmed COI editor that once edited an article does not mean the COI tag will continue to be there for life. I told you I have reviewed the article and the article has gone through comprehensive review at AFC by several experienced editors before it was moved to mainspace. I am not making a case for Msjazzyfed, but I hope you are aware that COI editors can use AFC if they want to create an article, which is exactly what Msjazzyfed did. The COI editor is not compelled to declare his connection to the article on the talkpage, he's only advised, the same way he's advised not to edit the article at all. And from what I see, Msjazzyfed is quite cool-headed and chose to discuss with Jamie Tubers instead of editing the article himself even though the change he is seeking seem reasonable from a BLP perspective. Lets not mess Nigerian articles with unnecessary tags on Wikipedia. The COI tag was created for situations when an article is yet to be reviewed and there is a COI affiliation, in this case this article has been deemed okay by several editors including yourself. If not for the information from Jamie, you had no problem with the neutrality of the article a few days back.

Please if you have any issue with the neutrality of the article, bring it here. I personally don't see any factual inaccuracy in the article. The sourcing of the films could be better, but everything seem spot on, even the unsourced information. I have witnessed alot of similar cases that the resulted to removal of the COI tag without the COI-editor declaring his involvement on the article talkpage even after it is confirmed that he is a COI editor. I will give you just one example for now. Before you joined Wikipedia, Atayero stated that he worked for Covenant University on the talk page of his new article after I speedied it for deletion. He also edited Covenant University article on multiple occasions. Admins told him of Wikipedia COI policy then placed a COI tag on CU page pending when all his additions are reviewed by an experienced editor. After it was reviewed, the COI tag was removed, nobody forced him to either declare his COI affiliation on the talkpage or the COI tag will remain there for life. All they did was the automated COI message, which Versace already sent to Msjazzyfed through Twinkle. Maybe Jamie and Versace will explain this things to you better, I am already tired of typing. Darreg (talk) 20:27, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

• Hello @Celestina007: The article has been heavily reviewed since it was created, and its structure as it stands, seems very neutral to me. Therefore, I don't see the need for the tag either.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 20:58, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

@Darreg @Jamie Tubers okay its cool. Celestina007 (talk) 21:57, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Moved from User talk:Darreg

 – Article relevant discussion copied here and collapsed on user talk page.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 23:32, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Adesua Etomi Birth Year

Hello Darreg, I see your point about, about people's saying they are a year older even though their birth month is 3,4 or 6 months away. But that is people and their preferences and what they want to tell others, This is an article which users require basic facts like date of birth. Frankly, news articles or especially Nigerian One's tend not to get people's birth year right. What I am saying is your point is based on subjective reasoning not objective because this is clearly a fact.

She was 29 in January 2016, her birth date 22nd February in 2016(the following month) she turns 30. Now 2017, comes 22 February 2017 she is 31. We are now in May. So I do not get this whole argument, but if we are to follow your logic then by now she should be saying she is 31, because her birthday was 3 months ago , so there is no need for her to say that "I am about to turn.."(the next age). In general terms,even if some people like to fast forward their age even though their birth month has not yet arrived, does not mean articles will follow suit. We will continue to say the person's current age until their birthday arrives. So please let's not base it on what people want their age to be.

Example- Right now I am 20 years old. My birthday is in December, were I will turn 21. Your argument is that, if I were such people who want to fast forward their age (which I personally find odd, because everyone is trying to be young so why increase your age or try to be older). I would go around telling people between now and late November that I am 21 years old. But what I am saying is if you were doing an article or story on me today, you would say I am 20 years old, because that is simply the truth. I am nowhere near 21 years old, until December, so it would be wrong for you the article to refer to me as 21. That will be just bad journalism. So we need to base it on facts, pure hard facts, not people' s subjective truths about themselves. If we are honest people do not even like to admit the truth to themselves, so if you are doing a story on me just state my current age as of now, as in PRESENT TENSE not FUTURE TENSE. Also, if we are not adding her birth year, please remove the year from the Google webpage as whenever you type her name on Google 1988 appears on the results page, which is just false and misleading. Also please take down that website citation next to her date of birth, because that should third party site is wrong on all levels and should not even be compared tot he source I provided on YouTube. As first the date in which it was published is 2015 that alone shows it is far from credible and next to the year of birth it still has 29 next to 1988. That means she was also 29 in 2015. So I endeavour you to please banish that link from her Wikipedia page because it is just all wrong.

Though I agree that you need a source that states her year of birth. I would still argue that we have all the proof that we need but in the meanwhile her year of birth should not be included because as proven it is definitely not 1988. But as stated above just because some people decide to fast forward something does not mean we should follow them and we should report in the present not future. Plus Adesua Etomi seems like a direct person, and once asked how old she is she would not hesitate to say her real and current age, not make estimations. In developed countries, when writing your date of birth they work with your current age.Kufuor101 (talk) 00:20, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Adesua Etomi Date of Birth

Hello Darreg, in response to the changes I made on the Adesua Etomi page. I am new to Wikipedia and I am still learning how to navigate and familiarise myself with Wiki's operations. Hence I apologise if I have not inserted a reference. I know that she was born in 1986, and my source is from pulse nigeria, were she did a full 17 minute interview(available on YouTube) stating that she was 29 years old-this was in January 2016. So she is now 31. But as stated earlier I am still learning so I am not familiar with citations. So she was 29 at the time (January 2016) and today she is 31 years old. I recommend you watch the interview to verify my source. Kufuor101 (talk) 02:18, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

• @Kufuor101: Copy and Paste the link to the interview right here, and state the minute where she revealed her age. That shouldn't be difficult.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 15:27, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello Jamie Tubers, this is the YouTube link to her full pulse Nigeria interview: The minutes in which she states her age were between 7:04-7:07, in which she was asked who inspires her. This is were she states she is 29 years old, in January 2016!! Now I would appreciate it if you please do not take a rude and condescending tone with me, with the language you used on my talk page, as I said on Darreg's talk page, I am new and still learning to navigate Wikipedia and its operations. On the otherhand, whilst on the subject of accurate citations and sources, which you are very serious about, as a experienced contributor on Wikipedia (by looking through your user page and talk page), I reckon that you would want accurate sources, so I find it surprising that her year of birth(1988), which you are defending aggressively, I clicked on the citation link, and it led me to a third party website, which is a combination of different sources I assume from various sources. Though most of the information on that site is quite factual. But I want you to judge fairly, and choose which source is more accurate: will it be my source which is full in depth interview from the subject (Adesua Etomi), who with her OWN MOUTH stated her age on a reputable entertainment blog like Pulse Nigeria OR are you going to take information from a third party site all in all the name of wanting to be right. Please be the judge because as wiki contributors, you owe thousands of readers the truth. Enough said.. Like I said the video is on YouTube freely available to verify yourself. No need for me to lie. The edit page is not allowing my to post the link otherwise it would not save but as I said it is on YouTube with the specific minutes I have stated on this post. Kufuor101 (talk) 22:26, 22 May 2017 (UTC).

@Kufuor101: What is the title of the YouTube video? Darreg (talk) 22:37, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

The name of the YouTube video is: Full Interview: Nollywood Actress Adesua Etomi Chats With Pulse TV. As stated again the exact minutes she states her age is between 7:04-7:07. Remember this was in January 2016. Thanks. Kufuor101 (talk) 22:46, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

@Kufuor101:You don't need to ping me on my talkpage, I will be notified automatically. I have seen the interview, and you were right about her saying she was 29 in January 2016, however, we need non-trivial sources for information such as year of birth. There are people that if their birthday is in October and we are in May, they start claiming the October age, so until there is a clearer source for this information, we can't include the year in her article We have two sources saying different things, even though one is more reliable since its from the horses' mouth but she did not state the year so it is still not 100% sufficient. I hope you understand? Darreg (talk) 23:07, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Darreg, I agree with what you're saying, but there are several instances of BLP articles having multiple date of birth included in the infobox. Please check out the Mariah Carey and Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán articles. If there are two reliable sources stating different info, those sources can cited in the article.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 23:37, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

• I am actually an example of a person who starts claiming my new age from January, despite my birthday, being in the middle of the year. So far, so good, many reliable sources (even Punch) are using 1988, while no source (whether reliable or not, uses 1986). It'd be better to have a link where Adesua actually declares her date of birth. Also, I got a mail from someone who claims to be her manager (User:Msjazzyfed) recently, and she came to complain about her full name, no mention of the age, which is infact a bigger issue.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 13:05, 24 May 2017 (UTC

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Incompetent Journalists from News Sources

I would just like to say, that frankly it is quite disappointing that as wiki contributors we have decided that even if a fact is obvious, we quote sources that have clearly misrepresented the facts. The fact that a news article like Punch or Naij.com cites or misrepresents facts such as date of birth, does not make it right. It just means that these organisations have incompetent, lazy journalists who do not verify and cross examine their information. These people need to be fired. I cannot believe that you as a contributor will be a participant in spreading FAKE NEWS. The reason i say this is because, how can you people still think she is 29 based on news articles who have clearly not done their research. A saying goes a first fool is a fool, the 2nd fool more foolish the third is the bigger fool. An interview which she declares her age as 29 years old in january 2016, and now it turns out that she is 29 again in 2017. Please think about it. Does it make sense that she has been 29 years old for 2 years in a row. Come on that is ridiculous and insane. In life my fellow author you are supposed to question everything you read, hear and see. You just do not passively accept it, you have to be critical of everything you see and hear . That is the difference between someone who is of higer intelligence and low intelligence regardless of educational background. Even, if we were to go by your explanation that people state their upcoming age even before their birthday arrives. Then she should be 30 by now. I mean i am sorry u are not making sense. Look even the most reliable media organisations such as Forbes magazine, Okayafrica, vogue any information they release must be scrutinised and i am sure they have made errors in the past. But what distinguishes credible news articles from ones who are just plain incompetent is first they carry out thorough and extensive research to verify their claims. Secondly is their ability to admit they were wrong if they spread false information. Because as a country and a continent as a whole we must get rid of the spirit of incompetence and mediocrity for us to progress and reach our maximum potential. Look just think about it and ponder, i know the last thing we want is to mislead the readers. A word to the wise is enough. Kufuor101 (talk) 16:39, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

@Kufuor101: I understand your frustrations. Wikipedia relies on info published in secondary sources. If a secondary source contains erroneous info, the Wikipedia article using the source will contain the same erroneous info. I don't want you to get worked up over this. As human beings, we all make mistakes. I agree with you that she is 31 years old. She did admit to being 29 years old in this 2016 video interview. However, we can't add her year of birth to the infobox because we do not have a source that explicitly states this. For now, it's best to omit her year of birth.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 19:52, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jamie Tubers: and Darreg, I went ahead and omitted her year of birth from the article until better sourcing becomes available. There's no dispute that she was born on 22 February.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 20:04, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

• Versace, I believe it is wrong to remove Adesua's DoB because there are "no reliable sources" (per your reason), because the source you removed is infact a reliable source. If there're double claims in reliable sources, the standard is to include both claims per the WP:NPOV. I'm sure you know this already. So what I'm going to do is add back the birthdate which is the only source we have right now for BIRTHYEAR, and I'll include the interview she granted in the early life section--Jamie Tubers (talk) 20:32, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't think you should do this; the year of birth has been brought into question. If you do this, I am afraid I will be taking this to the dispute resolution noticeboard for a thorough clarification.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 20:43, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

• Please feel free to take the matter to dispute resolution. But I believe, they'd most probably agree with duly representing all claims that are backed by reliable sources. There is infact a category for biographies with disputed birthyears, and from what I have observed so far in the 5 articles I randomly clicked on, due representations of the age claims seem to be the norm.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 21:11, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

The DRN discussion was closed because the dispute wasn't on this page. I closed the discussion on Darreg's talk page and moved it here. The user who closed the DRN discussion advised me to wait for further comments. I promised to give this discussion another week. If after a week it remains inconclusive, I will file another case at WP:DRN. @Celestina007: and @Mahveotm:, what do you two think about this discssion? Do you agree with Tubers' stance or do you support what I'm saying?  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 23:50, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

• Sorry, but what exactly are you saying? That we should add her birthyear as "1986", when there are no reliable sources stating this year? Or that we should remove the birthyear as a whole, when there are reliable sources actually stating her birthyear? I want to be sure of what your stance actually is, and the policy that leans along that stance. I believe my stance is clear enough, as well as the policies for it, along with the norm in related articles. But I'm willing to clarify, if anyone is confused about my stance.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 00:09, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

I am saying that we should omit the birth year because the reliability of said year has been brought into question. In this edit, I did what I felt is right. I understand that The Punch source is a credible source with editorial oversight, but you also can't dispute info straight from the horse's mouth. I understand that multiple claims can be included in the article, but what you did here shouldn't be acceptable. I believe that the addition of multiple claims is only okay when you have two secondary reliable sources contradicting one another. The people whose BLP articles have been included in the age controversies category didn't state their date of birth on their website or in a primary source interview. If they did, their date of birth wouldn't be considered a controversy. Tell you what, I will rest my case if you show me a person whose article states multiple date of birth, despite them stating their date of birth in primary sources.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 00:36, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

I must also add that there are people who fabricate their age. There's no proof that Etomi falsified her age when speaking to Pulse Nigeria.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 00:52, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• One of the articles I clicked on at the Age controversy category, Katrina Kaif, has this note on the Wikipedia biography: "Although Kaif has said that she was born in 1983, her birth year has been quoted (or inferred) in reliable sources as 1983 or 1984". This is an actress that explicitly stated her year of birth o, not just giving an approximate age, a month to her birthday. Also, despite the fact that reliable sources also use the year she declares, it was still deemed fit to include that some other reliable sources say otherwise. In our case, we don't even have a single reliable source giving this year that we are CALCULATING from the interview. The truth of the matter is, there's no "ultimate proof" to this, unless we get to see Adesua's birth certificate. People lie about their age all the time. Not new in Nigeria, not new in the world. But Wikipedia has to make do with what is available, and let the readers make their own conclusions for themselves. Concluding/selecting which reliable source to go with leans towards bias and original research. Both counterproductive to the project.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 01:42, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, firstly i appreciate Versace1608 seeing my point of view and clearly understands the reality that news organisations have journalists who are lazy and do not want to do research. Again Versace1608 understands that she just cannot be 29 years old for 2 years old

I have realised something about, you Jamie Tubers upon reviewing your user talk page. You are a strong willed person by nature, who aggressively defends your beliefs even if it is not totally accurate. That is a great trait if it is channelled towards positive and inspiring causes or issues, you can be a great instrument for success and a great asset. But if channelled in a wrong way, you can be a great tool for destruction and chaos as well. Look i mean no disrespect. Its just that whilst i can admire you are strong willed. I cannot help but say that you are promoting falsehoods and that my friend is very dangerous. I completely understand your stance on this issue. You are suggesting we accept all of these reliable sources such as Punch.ng, Naij.com who are stating that she was born in 1988. We should accept these sources regardless even if journalists did a crappy job by producing lazy work and did not carry out extensive research. That is a very disturbing thing to suggest that we should believe these secondary sources for news outlets (who should be ashamed for allowing unverified facts to be published, thereby putting their credibility on the line.) But honestly, how do you believe these secondary sources who are stating 29 over an interview were the subject herself said she was 29 years old in January 2016. Apparently you are saying it is not accurate because she did not state her birth year. Ok fine i can agree with you on that because we need hardcore proof that she was born in 1986. Then i can also argue that we need hard proof she was born in 1988, because we clearly cannot trust these online jounalists publishing stories. Simply because if they were serious journalists who did their research they would have seen the interview and known she is not 29. I mean, come Jamie Tubers, put ur pride aside and just ponder. Why are u insisting we accept these reliable sources. When Adesua declared her age as 29 in that interview, you are pushing a different narrative by insisting she was born in 1988, u believe that she is 29. So let me ask you a question. Can someone be 29 years old for 2 years in a row? No honestly think about it... because we know for a fact she said WITH HER OWN MOUTH that she is 29 in January last year but u continuing to insist that she was born in 1988 thereby 29 years suggests you believe that she was 29 in 2016 and 2017. As this to me only happens in an alternative universe, but for now as we are in this world. A person can only be one age for a year not 2 years in a row(as it is ridiculous). By the way, something tells me you just did not bother watching the interview..that is worrisome because a good author looks at all the information presented to them.

So u know what, we have both aired our views and it is normal for we as humans to disagree with each other. So let us compromise, we both agree we that we must back our claims with sources. I suggest 2 reasons a) We have to remove her birth year completely until a more credible source comes or better still, the actress herself declares her birth year. b) We take Versace1608's idea and publish both birth years (1986 and 1988) until like i suggested a more credible source or she herself declares it These suggestions i believe are a fair compromise for us to resolve this issue. Think about it because you owe the readers the truth and to give them all the information necessary. Simply because Jamie Tubers you cannot impose unverified and misrepresented facts to our readers and just put notes at the bottom of her wiki page.Readers should have the option of seeing both options at the beginning were her basic information is. You simply cannot put 1988 on, as the only option because it is misleading, spreading false information and just tells me you have an aversion for the truth. Please think about it it is actions like yours that reaffirms people's belief that wikipedia is not reliable. I implore u to put your pride and ego aside and consider my 2 suggestions. If u dont then it tells me you have a trump like attitude who only agrees with his beliefs even if it is proven false. (Which by the way a good thing if channelled positively, but bad if channelled negatively towards wrong causes). Kufuor101 (talk) 03:05, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

I understand and respect the opinions of both Jamie and Versace, but to be honest my position is that we remove the year of birth completely from the article for now. I actually thanked Versace for his edit yesterday before Jamie's reply, because that was what I intended to do but was very tired to give a feedback at the time. However, I will like to know the position of an independent experienced editor. So that when something similar happens in the future, I will know the course of action to take. It's sad that the bureaucracy and protocols in many Wikipedia noticeboard makes it difficult to get a feedback from them. It's like they prefer editors to solve their issues themselves. Darreg (talk) 11:39, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Darreg, i second the motion. It is better to remove her birth year completely. This is until a more credible source comes out. Kufuor101 (talk) 12:23, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• @Kufuor101: Emotional rants won't solve anything. There are policies and guidelines on Wikipedia. If everyone decides to follow their own personal rules, Wikipedia will be a bunch of Chaos, like Lagos. Well, no, we can't add 1986, because Adesua didn't say that she was born in 1986 in the interview. She only stated her age, a month to her birthday. We don't know for sure if the age she claimed was the one she was going to clock in February 2016 or the one she clocked in February 2015. That in itself is a big problem. Deciding birthyear based on an approximate age, can lead to another "misinformation", as you call it. And again, No, we can't just remove the birthyear "until we get a more credible source", because that's about as credible, a source can get. What we can do is to add an actual sourced birthyear, as well as the subject's personal age claim and the time it was claimed. Wikipedia is supposed to represent neutral information (as an encyclopaedia that it is), not go on a CIA journey. I'm pretty open minded to any decision. But it has to be backed by a pretty logical reasoning, or backed with policies. At this point, I drop my pen. This should go to DRN abeg. I'm tired of unnecessary argument.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 22:32, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

I think it's time we removed the birth year from the article. I did some digging on the internet and found a source that contradicts the year 1988. Answers Africa (a website with an editorial team) stated that Etomi was 30 years old in this article they published on 8 March 2016. This info supports what Kufuor is saying and what Etomi herself told Pulse Nigeria. The current birth year should be omitted since we now have two sources of information contradicting it.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 02:28, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

• Thank you Versace for that link. I personally don't think the sources we've gotten so far (in terms of quantity) justify a removal just yet; especially since none of them states a year. However, maybe the year should indeed be removed, since we have two editors in support of the removal. However, in the body of the article, we must adequately represent the information. The age discrepancy itself, is a content suitable for Wikipedia. I'll try to edit it now. I hope everyone would be satisfied. Cheers!--Jamie Tubers (talk) 05:46, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Versace for the link as well. Also i am happy with the present changes made on her wiki page under the Early life section. I think that is the best thing to do. As u are giving readers the opportunity to judge. P.S By the way Jamie Tubers i was not on an emotional rant. I just wanted you to think even just by using your own logical reasoning(forget all the sources for a moment). Someone born in 1988 is either 27/ 28 in 2016, and 28/29 in 2017. Fine, the reason i challenged those sources is because i matched the date of publication with the birth year-1988 which they all said she was 29. And these publication dates were either in 2015 or 2016. This alone did not make sense. And by the way not an emotional rant, just a sense of frustration and the desire to break free from the spirit of mediocrity that has plagued us and to call out egotistical and insensitive people like u who will tell me i am on an emotional rant. Kufuor101 (talk) 15:36, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Even though I am fine with the present state of the article, I am still interested in a closure from DRN, because it seem to me that I, Versace and Jamie are taking it cool because we have positive history among ourselves on Wikipedia, not necessarily because we've come to an agreement. A dispute still exist and it will be to our collective benefit if we know the right thing to do based on policy if it happens again. Darreg (talk) 21:48, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

@Darreg: I don't have any dispute with regards to the present state of the article. I am fine with the changes made. I think we have reached consensus here since the four of us are in agreement with the present state of the article. I am still going to open a case at DRN in case something similar happens in the near future. Darreg, you referred to me as a girl in one of your previous replies. Please correct this info. I don't want people getting my gender wrong. @Kufuor101: Please try to be civil when interacting with others. Referring to Jamie Tubers as an "egotistical and insensitive" person simply because he stated that you went on an emotional rant isn't nice. You could have simply said you didn't go on an emotional rant. I personally felt that you were simply voicing your concerns about the article and wanted it modified. The lengthy responses you gave tells me that you are very passionate about the things you speak about.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 23:31, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

I am sorry for the gender mixup. I read your reply but forgot to take action. I just remembered out of the blues tonight. Thank God I did. I am sorry once again. Darreg (talk) 19:31, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry my contribution is a tad bit late i haven't been around but however my take on this is as thus; In as much as @Versace1608:'s initial theory (omitting the birth year entirely) is just WP:COMMONSENSE & also the right thing to do in order to avoid confusing third party readers who are oblivious of the intricacies & sometimes arbituary policies that govern the editing of Wikipedia, i am of the opinion that @@Jamie Tubers: is just acting based on already established polices, and as so; in this particular case i would have supported and would still support his line of action as long as they were/are in tune with the guidelines and policies established for we the editors.. Celestina007 (talk) 17:04, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

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Hi Jamie Tubers, I think you need to undo this edit you made. Per MOS:ITALICTITLE, we should only italicized periodicals such as newspapers, journals, and magazines. Pulse Nigeria describes itself as "Nigeria's new media network". Media networks such as Ion and Viacom are not italicized on Wikipedia. Ringier, which happens to be Pulse Nigeria's parent company, isn't italicized anywhere on Wikipedia. Answers Africa describes itself as a "news and entertainment website". Nowhere in MOS:ITALICTITLE does it state that websites should be italicized. As a matter of fact, none of the websites in Category:Websites are italicized.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 00:21, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

• Hello, Pulse Nigeria is a news website. The tagline it gives itself doesn't change what it actually is. Morever, New media is infact just a vague term used to describe any content accessible on the internet; it is quite different from "media" or "multimedia". Answers Africa is a news website as well, which you rightly pointed out. Those examples you mentioned (Viacom and Ion) are actual multimedia companies. Ringier is a also a multimedia company, and Pulse, which is a news site, is just one of its many subsidiaries. Note that "newspaper" is just a traditional term, most news outlets broadcast online now anyway, so the medium doesn't really matter anymore. Only the type of content does. Per the MOS:ITALICTITLE, "Actual medium of publication or presentation is not a factor; a video feature only released on video tape, disc or the Internet is considered a "film" for these purposes, and likewise an e-book is a book, a webcomic is a comic strip, a music album only available from the artist on a limited-edition USB drive is a real album, a TV series only available via streaming services is still a series, etc." It also goes on to explicitly state that: "Online magazines, newspapers, and news sites with original content should generally be italicized".--Jamie Tubers (talk) 10:10, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Your response doesn't make your point valid. To reiterate, none of the websites in Category:Websites are italicized. If websites are supposed to be italicized, why are no websites in the aforementioned category italicized? If you go through the pages of each website in the aforementioned category, you'll clearly see that none of them are italicized. Based on what you quoted, MOS:ITALICTITLE specifically said "news sites", not website. These two things do not have the same meaning. Not every website is a news site. By describing Pulse Nigeria as just a "news website", you are limiting what they actually are. According to their About page, they are more than just that. Also, describing them as "a news website" doesn't mean that they are not "Nigeria's new media network".  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 00:41, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

• I don't get exactly why this is an argument. All "news sites" are websites, but not all websites are "news sites". And I explained in my last reply what "new media" means. News sites actually qualify as "new media". I believe my last reply is quite sufficient for anyone to understand. You can seek a third opinion if you disagree, or perhaps take it to the DRN.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 15:42, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Moved from User talk:Darreg, User talk:Jamie Tubers and User talk:Msjazzyfed

 – Article relevant discussion copied here and collapsed on user talk page.HandsomeBoy (talk) 19:34, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Darreg, Msjazzyfed here. You added a disclosure tag on an article i edited. Name of the article is Adesua Etomi. Thanks for being polite. I have an issue in relation to that page and I'd be grateful if you could please help. An editor named Jamie Tubbers keeps spelling her name as Adesuwa Etomi as opposed to Adesua Etomi. I have tried to explain to him that this is not her name but a misspelling lazy Nigerians started. The major problem is that there is actually a variant of the name Adesuwa in Nigeria but this belongs to the Bini or Yoruba tribes. She is Adesua and from the Esan tribe. I manage Adesua Etomi and Jamie rudely pointed out that i have a conflict of interest, which is fair enough, but it doesn't change the fact that i am right. My client and i actually find this misspelling of her name annoying. Wikipedia is a source many people quote, and how do we get this trend to stop if a source like Wikipedia won't correct it? Do i need to send you official documents showing her birth name? Please advise on hoe we can fix this. I'm very happy to never edit this article again, because even though Jamie was extremely rude, i can see why. I'd be grateful for your assistance. Thank youMsjazzyfed (talk) 22:37, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

• Hello again, Msjazzyfed

The only interaction I remember having with you is the one here. I'm not sure of the part of it that comes off as "extremely rude" to you. However, please accept my apologies; that wasn't my intention.

You requested something similar to this in that other page, and I took time to explain how to go about it, if you want the "correct name" on Wikipedia. You never replied to it. Let's hear what Darreg has to say concerning that change. Cheers.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 01:43, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

@Msjazzyfed I believe you are likely saying the truth, but statements by Wikipedia editors alone is never enough to make a lasting change. Since you are into new media, why don't you contact one of the notable Nigerian web portals to publish an article that states that her birthname is "Adesua", not "Adesuwa"? This is the only way we can prevent just anybody from changing information about her since WP is a free encyclopaedia that anyone can edit. I did a websearch and I noticed some notable sources like Channels TV spell it as Adesuwa in some articles. @Jamie tubers, I wasn't following your argument in the past. I know that Adesua Etomi is probably the only "Adesua" I have seen being spelt that way and "Adesuwa" is clearly more generic. So I want to know if that is your main reason for thinking her birthname is likely "Adesuwa"? Because sources seem conflicted. Darreg (talk) 02:03, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

• When I got the mail from Mzjazzyfed, I searched the web and discovered that every major news outlet had "Adesuwa" as the subject's birthname. This made sense, since everyone I know that bears "Adesua" was actually given "Adesuwa" at birth. I told Msjazzyfed to correct the supposed misinformation with the media first, either through an interview or simply through one of Adesua's verified social media pages. This was supposed to be a simple process; we've had similar issue before with Nse Ikpe Etim's birthplace. It didn't take up to a week that she clarified it on her verified facebook page and the information was subsequently corrected. In Mzjazzyfed's case, she instead gave me a lecture about Nigerian ethnic name origin (which I kindly asked her to even lead me to anywhere online I can read up on it but she didn't). I see most of the media outlets have now changed the birthname of the subject to "Adesua", most probably due to this kind of claim Mzjazzyfed is making here. However, the reluctance of Mzjazzyfed to even try to clarify this information through a verified public platform makes her claim suspicious. This is not age, which people can lie about to achieve whatever aim they wish to achieve. A simple statement from Adesua herself through any means will end the "misinformation" once and for all, not just on Wikipedia, but on all other media platforms.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 12:46, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

COI

Hi Jamie Tubers, I got you note on the COI. Thanks. Now please permit me to point something out, seeing as I'm actually Nigerian and I'm better informed about the spellings of our Nigerian names and their history. While Adesua and Adesuwa mean the same thing when translated into English, the names each belong to two different tribes. The only similarities both tribes share, is that they are resident in the same state.

Nigeria has 36 states, one of which is Edo state, where the names Adesua and Adesuwa originate from. Now Adesua is a name from the Esan tribe/ethnic group in Edo State. While Adesuwa is a name from the Bini tribe/ethnic group in Edo state.

This actress is Adesua Etomi and she is from Esan in Edo State. Adesua is not a short form or derivative of Adesuwa. It is the entire name. I do hope this clear up your confusion.

As to the fact that she only started answering to Adesua in 2016, that is false. She was wrongly credited in her first film and you'll notice that it was corrected in subsequent films. Kindly contact the University of Wolverhampton in the UK for their student records, since you feel that a Nigerian cannot give you credible information. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msjazzyfed (talk • contribs) 03:20, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

This is correct. When asked, Adesua herself stated: “It's always been Adesua not Adesuwa. It’s Esan and not Benin.” See: https://twitter.com/adesuaetomiw/status/1364206792566308864?s=21 Jhurley85 (talk) 14:31, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest

Hello,

I got your mail, where you explicitly stated that you are the manager of Adesua Etomi. Kindly note that, per Wikipedia's Conflict of Interest policy, you're not supposed to be editing pages about you or people you're close to. As per your request on the birthname of Adesua. I find it hard to believe that she was born as "Adesua" and not "Adesuwa". Typical Nigerian parents do not give their children short forms of traditional names at birth. In this case, the full Edo name is "Adesuwa", not "Adesua". Furthermore, until recently, Adesua was always credited in film as "Adesuwa". Only recently did she remove the "w". It's difficult to believe that she only added the "w" temporarily after she was born. Finally, many sources actually give her full name as "Adesuwa".

As it has been established that you have a conflict of interest (COI), I'll advise you to refrain from making controversial and major edits to the page. Wikipedia frowns at COI, because it causes unnecessary disruptions. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia that relies on external verifiable sources. If Adesua Etomi finds out that there are untrue information about her in the media, she can easily correct them by clarifying in interviews or on one of her verified social media. Any clarifications from her will definitely be reflected on Wikipedia appropriately. Cheers.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 15:50, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jamie Tubers, I got you note on the COI. Thanks. Now please permit me to point something out, seeing as I'm actually Nigerian and I'm better informed about the spellings of our Nigerian names and their history.

While Adesua and Adesuwa mean the same thing when translated into English, the names each belong to two different tribes. The only similarities both tribes share, is that they are resident in the same state.

Nigeria has 36 states, one of which is Edo state, where the names Adesua and Adesuwa originate from. Now Adesua is a name from the Esan tribe/ethnic group in Edo State. While Adesuwa is a name from the Bini tribe/ethnic group in Edo state.

This actress is Adesua Etomi and she is from Esan in Edo State. Adesua is not a short form or derivative of Adesuwa. It is the entire name. I do hope this clear up your confusion.

As to the fact that she only started answering to Adesua in 2016, that is false. She was wrongly credited in her first film and you'll notice that it was corrected in subsequent films. Kindly contact the University of Wolverhampton in the UK for their student records, since you feel that a Nigerian cannot give you credible information. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msjazzyfed (talk • contribs) 03:20, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

• Hello, I totally get your point. But at the end of the day; it's your word, it's not like I can see Adesua's birth certificate, to prove her actual birthname. The information on Wikipedia (an encyclopaedia) is based on what other credible sources have published. "Adesuwa Etomi" brings up around 100,000 hits on google! Like I said earlier, if Adesua finds that there are untrue information about her in the media, she needs to clarify that with the media first, then it can be reflected on Wikipedia. There are several easy ways for public figures to correct any misinformation about them these days. Wikipedia does not publish original research.

PS 1: Kindly reply on this same talkpage (yours), so as to keep the conversation in one place. I'm watching your talk, so I'll get to see your reply. Cheers!

PS 2: Your claim of "Adesuwa" and "Adesua" being two different names is quite interesting. If you don't mind, can you please share anywhere I can read up on the origin of the two names, and how they are owned by two separate ethnic groups? Even if it is a blog. Thank you.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 21:10, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

This is correct. When asked, Adesua herself stated: “It's always been Adesua not Adesuwa. It’s Esan and not Benin.” See: https://twitter.com/adesuaetomiw/status/1364206792566308864?s=21 Jhurley85 (talk) 14:35, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Date of birth

@HandsomeBoy and Jamie Tubers: Adesua's age dispute has resurfaced again. Achalugo added this source that clearly states her age. I doubted the source at first but it appears the website has an editorial team. Per NPOV, I added both year of birth to the article, similar to how it is at Mariah Carey. It appears that Achalugo has chosen not to engage in a dialogue with other editors. He/She read the messages I left on my talk page and removed them. Do any of you object to the changes I made to the article?  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 02:19, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Somehow I'm not impressed by the source. Even later in the article, they admitted that her year of birth is somewhat of a mismatch, alluding to the pulse article that has extensively been discussed. If Adesua wants to clarify about her age, a very easy way would be for her to indicate it somewhere in one of her verified social media handles or make reference to it during an interview. Another way this can be resolved is if she's willing to send documents that prove her age to via OTRS, otherwise I'd rather the page remain as it has been. I'm not willing to revert and would really appreciate @HandsomeBoy: and @Jamie Tubers: weighing on this. Regards, Mahveotm (talk) 00:39, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

In an Instagram post, she alluded to being 33 on February 22, 2019. I'll reply better soon. HandsomeBoy (talk) 08:43, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

@Mahveotm: I am also not impressed with the source. Maybe I should have left the article the way we had it. Recently though, there have been a lot of edits to the article by IP users and Achalugo. Most of the edits made by the aforementioned users have targeted the date of birth info. @HandsomeBoy: Do you believe Adesua was born in 1986? Her instagram post definitely supports the source we have doubts about.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 04:20, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Personally, I think your update to the article is more factual the previous version. If no one has anything new to add to the discussion, we can just leave it as it is or reflect 1986 alone to be her real birth year. I am not really bent on any age, neither do I have any strong opinion on it. I was only concerned that due process needs to be followed. And you've done really well. HandsomeBoy (talk) 22:39, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

• While I am not completely comfortable with "Buzz Nigeria" as a reliable source, I think we can just leave the birth year column as Versace puts it, since we finally have an actual source that says 1986. Cheers.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 22:26, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Nothing more to add here, I think a compromise has been reached. @Versace1608, thanks for what you do, especially in regards to these COI guys. Regards, Mahveotm (talk) 23:29, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@Mahveotm: You're welcome bro. I'd appreciate it if you watchlist the articles listed at User talk:TheCxcx#COI and Seyi Shay. The user has disclosed that they have a COI with those articles. I told the user that if they want to see changes made to the articles, they should leave a change request note on the respective talk page. The user is in compliant and respects Wikipedia's COI policy. So far, the user has requested that changes be made to the Burna Boy and Adekunle Gold articles. I successfully made changes to the articles per the user's request.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 00:04, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Done, thanks for the heads up. Regards, Mahveotm (talk) 12:34, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Adesuwa Etomi's Awards and nominations

Please no one has updated Adesuwa's Nickelodeon's kids choice awards nomination for best African actress. Osayuware Benjamin Owiadolor (talk) 14:32, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Name

I see there has been discussion before as to whether her name is Adesua or Adesuwa. She cleared it up on Twitter. It’s Adesua. https://twitter.com/adesuaetomiw/status/1364206792566308864?s=21 Jhurley85 (talk) 13:48, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Correction of Marriage Date

Can her bio be changed to say m. 2017 rather than m. after 2017? Jhurley85 (talk) 14:44, 23 February 2021 (UTC)