Talk:2018 Batman by-election

GA Review

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Nominator: GraziePrego (talk · contribs) 01:30, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 02:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Copy issues are proportionally less of your issue than some sourcing fixes/questions, some passages needing rewording, and one image that I think is a reproduction of a not-simple-enough graphic. Ping me when done. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Sammi Brie, I have finished going through your comments, thank you for them! I have removed the mention of Ireland in that original sentence as the ABC radio report did not mention Ireland. GraziePrego (talk) 00:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Did you know? If you fancy doing so, I always have plenty of GA nominees to review. Just look for the all-uppercase titles in the Television section. Reviews always appreciated.

Copy changes

Lead

• Write out "two" in "two-candidate preferred vote" and add (TCP) as you use the acronym in the lead.

Campaign

• Labor leader Bill Shorten and Kearney both expressed their doubts about the project, but did not rule it out completely. Remove comma (WP:CINS). There is no subject on the other side of "but".

Candidates

• I changed this table to have a proper caption row |+ instead of a header row. Captions are important to tables because screen reader users can skim through tables by title. See MOS:DTAB.
• Van Lieshout is a self-published author on social, theological and political issues, and the founder of the unregistered Voter Rights Party. Remove the comma after "issues"; it is not needed.

Aftermath

• Kearney's election made her the first woman to represent Batman in the seat's 112-year history, and made federal Labor's caucus 48% female. One subject (election), remove comma.
• Following the 2018 by-election, the Australian Electoral Commission abolished Batman, and created the Division of Cooper, which had similar boundaries. Remove comma after "Batman" (there is one subject).
• The second paragraph could do with a split.
• Di Natale stated that the campaign had been damaged by internal leaking, and that traditional Greens voters had been Remove comma (CINS)
• Bhathal had stated during the by-election campaign that if she lost she would contest the seat at the next federal election, but announced in August 2018 that she was withdrawing from being the candidate due to "sabotage" of her by-election campaign. Add a "she" after "but" so you don't have to remove this comma.
• Italicize Tonightly with Tom Ballard as the name of a TV program.

Sourcing and spot checks

• 1: The Guardian report on Feeney's revelation unable to produce a document. I do not see a mention of Ireland; is this in the ABC audio report? Y
• 11: The Liberals took several weeks to come to the decision to sit out the poll in Batman, with the party's powerful state president Michael Kroger arguing they should enter the race if Ms Bhathal could be linked to anti-Israel protests. It sounds like Kroger was arguing for them to but they didn't, so reword. "...the party should have run a candidate if..." Y
• 14: At a polling booth alongside Labor candidate Ged Kearney, Mr Shorten was accosted by a big blue fish seeking clarity on where Labor stood on the issue. Y
• 33: Victorian Labor figures reacted with fury on Wednesday to former minister Jane Garrett's plan to abandon her key marginal electorate of Brunswick and seek a safe upper house seat.
• 47: Di Natale quote. Y
• 49: The bitterness from the Batman campaign carried over into the Northcote state election campaign, with Greens members refusing to campaign, the report said. Y

There are a couple of passages that need rewording for closeness to source:

• "unable to produce any documentary evidence from British or Irish authorities that he took steps to renounce his citizenship and entitlements"
• "an extension to 1 February to allow his team to continue their search for the relevant documents"

Images

While all the images bear CC licenses, I am concerned that the design on the front of the gray Kearney shirt is above the threshold of originality and thus copyrighted. I would consider removing the images of both sides (as just the back makes no sense). Nice to see alt text already there.

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Did you know nomination

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• ... that at the 2018 Batman by-election, the Division of Batman was politically divided by the "hipster-proof fence" or "quinoa curtain"?

• Source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-17/voters-head-to-polls-for-batman-byelection/9553388

• ALT1: ... that the 2018 Batman by-election caused significant in-fighting within the Australian Greens that damaged their campaign at the 2018 Victorian state election? Source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-29/greens-blame-internal-problems-negative-media-for-election-loss/10950124
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bill Morrow (Australian politician)

Improved to Good Article status by GraziePrego (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

GraziePrego (talk) 03:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC).

• Not a reivew, however an alternative hook:
  • ALT2: ... that during the 2018 Batman by-election campaign Teresa van Lieshout, a perennial candidate, taped their mouth shut and picketed a candidates' forum when she wasn't invited? Source: https://www.northweststar.com.au/story/5269156/batman-by-election-candidates-speak-out/

TarnishedPath^talk 06:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Another alt hook suggestion, for maximum quirkiness:
  • ALT3: ... that Batman had a "hipster-proof fence"? Source: [1]

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 21:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Vigilantcosmicpenguin your suggested alt isn't supported by the source you gave, however it is supported by https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-17/voters-head-to-polls-for-batman-byelection/9553388. @GraziePrego, what do you think of the suggested alts? Also it appears that you need to do QPQ for one review. TarnishedPath^talk 05:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

I would be happy with either of the suggested Alt hooks, I think I'm happy to let a reviewer choose between them and the original ones I suggested. I have also done a QPQ by reviewing the DYK for Bill Morrow (Australian politician). GraziePrego (talk) 07:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

My apologies, I'm new to this and wasn't reading all of the nomination. TarnishedPath^talk 03:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

This nomination has not yet received a full review. Flibirigit (talk) 18:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Nominated within bounds of GA promotion, writing is appropriately sourced and free of copyvios. Most of the images are appropriately licensed, but the photos with the logos at the bottom of the article raise questions regarding copyvio; I'd say just remove them (unless the logos are public domain/appropriately licensed; I might have missed that). Otherwise, I'm willing to approve with a strong preference for ALT3. ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:48, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

@Pbritti are you referring to the two images of the coffee mug which has campaign material on it and the Labor campaign t-shirt? All of those images were extracted from Flikr and all of the respective pages from Flickr have statements that they are public domain linking to https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/mark/1.0/. I do however have concerns that the person who uploaded those images to Flikr has the right to decide that those photos of another's work are public domain. If those are the photos you are referring to then I agree best to remove as they don't really add anything to the article anyway. Can you please confirm if those are the images. TarnishedPath^talk 00:43, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

@TarnishedPath: Confirming that those are the images in question. There's no doubt about them being from a valid Flickr license, but I believe that this is an instance of license laundering and that the prominence of the logos prohibits the release of the images under a CC license. ~ Pbritti (talk) 00:48, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

@Pbritti, I agree entirely. I've removed them from the article and I'll probably CSD them on commons later. I'll do some reverse image lookups first to find where the images originally came from. The copyright most likely belongs to the Australian Labor Party. TarnishedPath^talk 01:16, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the assist, TarnishedPath! ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:24, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

GraziePrego, would you want ALT3 to be saved for the April Fool's set? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:51, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

AirshipJungleman29 That would be great actually, yes please. Thank you TarnishedPath for the fixes to the article as well! :) GraziePrego (talk) 01:08, 9 December 2024 (UTC)