Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music/Haydn and Mozart task force/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Too many WikiProjects?

The fact that there exists a WikiProject after Haydn and Mozart makes me wonder when we will create WikiProjects after other similar, equally notable composers. I understand the interests of all of you in creating such a project, but centralizing the Classical Music WikiProject will help us all become more organized.

Our options are open - please weigh into the discussion. —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪ How's my driving?} 04:40, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

What are you suggesting? --Kleinzach 05:02, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

She is suggesting merger of this project with the Composers project. I'm not convinced merger is necessary. Nor would it be beneficial since this project seems to be incredibly focussed and fully capable of dealing with its particular clients without the composers project. Also, it is best to focus the discussion here rather than over at CM since this merger would specifically delete this project. The more general discussion about the number of projects is appropriate over there, though. --Jubilee♫clipman 05:33, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

She should read this and this about the establishment of the project. Of course, if the project is changed into a task force, someone has to do the (quite complicated) work. Is that person La Pianista? --Kleinzach 05:59, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Composers is quite clearly the wrong place as that is only for composer bios and most of the material would be on works. I had previously wondered why various work groups such as this and WP:Wagner were created as projects and not task forces, so I have no problem with the rebranding provided that those who are pushing it do the work rather than force it on those who are more interested in creating content.--Peter cohen (talk) 12:31, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Peter cohen: Unlike projects, task forces can't assess or use banners. Nor do they have much general prominence, which means fewer new contributors joining them. WP:Wagner, in particular, would not have been viable as a task project. As a project it's been a spectacular success, with probably the highest quality articles in all of the CM-related projects. --Kleinzach 13:33, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

What hard work would that entail? It's essentially a re-name of the original project, is it not? It's only a change in form, not principle. —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪ How's my driving?} 06:16, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

It's a 15-stage process: see here. --Kleinzach 07:03, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

• As the founder of this project, derived deliberatively as a spinout from the Composers project,, I would ask The Pianist what s/he finds amiss in the logic formulating the initial elaboration of this effort and address it specifically in his/her discussion above. Eusebeus (talk) 13:32, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
  • She has made most of her points over at CM talk. --Jubilee♫clipman 01:20, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

• Actually, Peter cohen made the best argument for not merging: this project fully covers the music as well as the bios; composers covers mainly the bios, only touching other articles where these reference the bios or are list-of-compositons articles etc. I suppose H&M could be parented by Composers, but I don't see much need for that. --Jubilee♫clipman 01:20, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

It is parented by Composers — as well as WP:CM. Of course, Opera also have an interest. Regarding the 'project vs task force' thing, this is basically something considered at setup. You need a good reason to change later, because of the work involved. --Kleinzach 01:37, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah... me forgot! (I is easy confused!) I don't think there need be any changes at all, beyond better communication: La Pianista has certainly managed to help us achieve that even if we are all essentially rejecting her premise! --Jubilee♫clipman 01:51, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Request for comment on Biographies of living people

Hello Wikiproject! Currently there is a discussion which will decide whether wikipedia will delete 49,000 articles about a living person without references, here:

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

Since biographies of living people covers so many topics, many wikiproject topics will be effected.

The two opposing positions which have the most support is:

1. supports the deletion of unreferenced articles about a living person, User:Jehochman
2. opposes the deletion of unreferenced articles about a living person, except in limited circumstances, User:Collect

Comments are welcome. Keep in mind that by default, editor's comments are hidden. Simply press edit next to the section to add your comment.

Please keep in mind that at this point, it seems that editors support deleting unreferenced BLP articles if they are not sourced, so your project may want to source these articles as soon as possible. See the next, message, which may help.

Tools to help your project with unreferenced Biographies of living people

List of cleanup articles for your project

If you don't already have this and are interested in creating a list of articles which need cleanup for your wikiproject see: Cleanup listings A list of examples is here

Moving unreferenced blp articles to a special "incubation pages

If you are interested in moving unreferenced blp articles that your project covers, to a special "incubation page", contact me, User talk:Ikip

Watchlisting all unreferenced articles

If you are interested in watchlisting all of the unreferenced articles once you install Cleanup_listings, contact me, User talk:Ikip

Ikip 05:06, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

This project doesn't have BLPs. Perhaps this should be deleted or archived?--Kleinzach 13:52, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

We would only ever have them if we do articles about living Mozart scholars. I'm fine if you delete this stuff (though it might come right back...) Opus33 (talk) 16:12, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

OK. I'll archive it. I think Ikip may have been blocked for spamming. --Kleinzach 00:42, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Time to make this into a task force?

Please see the discussion here. --Kleinzach 05:31, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Conversion to task force  Done --Kleinzach 00:38, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Time to make this into a task force?

Please see the discussion here. --Kleinzach 05:31, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Conversion to task force  Done --Kleinzach 00:38, 2 March 2011 (UTC)