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Request: Handbook of the Mammals of the World Vol. 9 - Bats

I am currently in search of the "Handbook of the Mammals of the World, Vol. 9 - Bats" to aid in improving related articles. Unfortunately, due to the high cost, obtaining a copy has proven challenging for me. If any members have access to the handbook and are willing to share it, I would deeply appreciate it. I'm currently working on trying to improve the bat articles and I think the handbook would be a great reference to have. Myth Sys (talk) 03:14, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

I own it; shoot me an email if you still need this. Note that the species accounts are also available at https://plazi.org/treatmentbank/. Ucucha (talk) 03:45, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

A very useful resource, although I'm surprised that this allowable under copyright laws? Plazi also has the range map images and species plates, available at high resolution. The difficulty is finding them as the search system is quirky. The family pages such as Vespertilionidae are good starting points. —  Jts1882 | talk  16:01, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Their position is that taxonomic treatments are not copyrightable (https://riojournal.com/article/115466/). Whether that would hold up in court I am not sure. Ucucha (talk) 13:19, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Taxonomic treatments , maybe, but what about the text and images? They seem to have most of the text and illustrations, including high resolution versions of the plates. The information is there, although not in an easily navigable form. I'm not complaining as it's very useful, now I've worked out how to navigate it. A Plazi version of HBW would also be helpful. —  Jts1882 | talk  15:29, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Ucucha: As you have the book, can you answer a question for me. Plazi content seems restricted to family and species treatments. Does HMW have sections describing genera and other ranks (order, superfamily, subfamily)? —  Jts1882 | talk  09:11, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

It's basically just families and species. There is some introductory material at the beginning of each volume, but no full order-level accounts. Ucucha (talk) 15:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I did bit of digging because I was curious about what they were providing and the copyright issue, with the help of pages provided at Lynx Edicions and that provided by Plazi. The Plazi family treatment for Felidae (volume 1) is essentially the infobox at the start of the chapter. Then the book has 70 pages on the general biology of felids, including Systematics, Morphology, Habitat, Food, Breeding, Social Organization, and Conservation. None of this is available on Plazi. The Plazi species treatments are the Species Accounts the make up the last 40 pages of the chapter. Not the whole book by any means, but still pretty useful, especially the newer volumes like bats. —  Jts1882 | talk  16:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

The Plazi treatment can be viewed in a more use friendly manner on Checklistbank. Here is the entry for Glauconycteris alboguttata J. A. Allen, 1917. @Myth Sys: If you're still interested this might be a useful starting point. You can navigate to other Vespertilionidae from that page. —  Jts1882 | talk  14:22, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Copulation (zoology)#Requested move 6 April 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Copulation (zoology)#Requested move 6 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. SilverLocust 💬 03:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Anyone interested in a quick review of my featured article nomination?

I know it's obscure, but here is my attempt at all that is known about this small animal Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Heptamegacanthus/archive1 Mattximus (talk) 19:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Nemertean auto taxoboxes are outdated

While browsing, I noticed that the current taxonomy templates (and articles) for the nemerteans still use the Anopla/Enopla classes which no longer seem to be accepted, at least in WoRMS. While I can change the taxonomy templates to the new classification, I felt I should ask if there were any preexisting reasons not to before I changed taxa at the class level. While I understand the usual protocol would be to ask in Talk:Nemertea, the last two people to ask this question there received no reply. Zygmeyer (talk) 05:17, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, many invertebrate groups have few or no active editors, so outdated taxonomies often remain. When a talk page comment like the one from Malin Strand gets no response, it's not a decision to use an alternative taxonomy. When you have reliable sources, you should feel free to change the taxonomy templates. Make sure to add a source reference, then the onus is on anyone who thinks there is a better taxonomy to provide sources. I will try and update the taxonomy templates later. It looks like some orders have been defined since that 2018 letter to Zoologica Scripta (see Palaeonemertea).  —  Jts1882 | talk  07:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@Zygmeyer: I've gone through the taxonomy templates and set up the suprafamiliar structure on WoRMS, moving families to the higher order taxa. I've made some changes in articles to make them compatible, but I'm sure I haven't caught all the discrepancies. There are some family articles for families that are no longer recognised, e.g. Baseodiscidae, although the Baseodiscus article correctly places it in Valenciniidae.

I notice you set up Template:Taxonomy/Arhynchocoela. Are you planning to create an article on Arhynchonemertes?  —  Jts1882 | talk  15:37, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Potential significant change to species notability

Over on Wikipedia talk:Notability‎, several editors are working on a draft proposal to replace our current notability guidelines for species (all species are notable) with something much more restrictive (only species that go beyond certain limited pieces of information would be allowed their own articles). If you have opinions on this issue, now would be a good time to weigh in there. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)