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Swap Fraktur with Blackletter  5

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Swapped 4–0. Makkool (talk) 09:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Fraktur is just one type of Blackletter typefaces. It is by far the most famous one, but the article mentions that the term "Fraktur" is also used to refer to the entire Blackletter group of typefaces.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:34, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 23:59, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom EleniXDD※Talk 03:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
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Add International Committee of the Red Cross

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A part of International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement  3. The ICRC is a humanitarian organization with a significant impact to human rights globally and a three-time Nobel prize laureate. The oldest and most honored organization in the Red Cross.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 00:00, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
  1. Red cross redirects to the other article you mention above. I am a bit confused as to the distinction here.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:11, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. I'm not that acquainted with the structure, but as I understand, the Red Cross movement consists of several organisations (including the national Red Cross orgs). The ICRC is the international umbrella organisation among those. It's legislated in the Geneva Convention. I think it's a significant enough entity on its own, and the Red Cross is Level 3, so it could have some sub-article. Makkool (talk) 12:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Moral responsibility

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Another straightforward addition since we take responsibility for our actions. Interstellarity (talk) 23:08, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 23:08, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, but only under Philosophy -> Ethics or Sociology somewhere.
  3. Support Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 17:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Semi-presidential republic

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Another common type of government, which divides the powers between the president, prime-minister and a cabinet. The Blue Rider 16:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 17:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Good proposal. Interstellarity (talk) 18:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. Makkool (talk) 17:03, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Sure. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Rodion Raskolnikov

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A famous fictional character, the protagonist of Crime and Punishment. Has more interwikis (23) than Elizabeth Bennet  5 (17), which we already list.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. A lot of important fictional characters have been delisted.TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:16, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Book of Common Prayer (1662)

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The liturgical book used in Anglican/Episcopal church since 1662. The article stresses its importance in that it "has influenced the English language, with its use alongside the King James Version of the Bible contributing to an increase in literacy from the 16th to the 20th century".

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 10:57, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 21:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Revolutionary opera, or alternatively one of the operas included in that category

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Seems to me like Western bias is the only reason this hasn't already been identified as a VA, given the large influence in Chinese society. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:12, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Nonogram

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Also known as picross or paint by number, a common type of puzzle that hasn't been listed. If stuff like the Sliding puzzle  5 can be listed, then so can this.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I've always known them as "hanjie". We list more obscure articles than this. Makkool (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Cryptogram

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Another common puzzle type (also a type of Cryptography  3) that's not been listed yet.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:01, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Common enough type of puzzle Makkool (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. "Cipher as a recreational puzzle" does not strike me as vital, I'd rather have concepts like Classical cipher and Substitution cipher first.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 14:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Catharism

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A heretical Christian movement from medieval Europe. Pretty famous events in history, and I'm surprised that it's not added yet. I think this could be listed in History, but we have other historical religions like Manichaeism  4 listed in Religion and philosophy, so I think this could go there as well.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Add Flow (psychology)  5

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Added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 17:19, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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We list Positive psychology  5, but not one of its most popular theories. Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi  5, who introduced flow theory is also already V5.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:09, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss
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Add Camel (cigarette)

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Not added 1-3. Makkool (talk) 17:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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As proposed by The Blue Rider in the Marlboro proposal. A well known cigarette brand that is still widely recognized today. I personally feel like it's not the strongest add, but I think it's recognized enough that people will advocate for this (plus, it gave us Joe Camel). Also Top-importance in WikiProject Brands.

Support
  1. Weak support as nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Cigarettes in general are in decline, and this is not the strongest brand. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Marlboro is enough, we don't need a secong cigarette brand Makkool (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss
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Swap Collingwood in for Carlton

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In the Australian rules football section of the Sports teams and clubs, Collingwood after their premiership last year (2023) has the equal most premierships (with Carlton and Essendon), the clear outright most grand final appearances, and the largest supporter base, making them the most valuable brand in the AFL. If there is only to be one team listed, it should be Collingwood. HoleyFrijoles (talk) 21:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Santos FC, remove Paris Saint-Germain

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I just noticed that @AirshipJungleman29: added in Santos FC and removed Paris Saint-Germain on April 5 without a vote. I'm going to revert these changes but presenting them here in case people are interested. Aurangzebra (talk) 00:04, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. Oppose removing PSG, neutral on adding Santos. As mentioned in my PSG proposal, they do suffer a little from recency bias, but they're still the most successful French club, and they still have plenty of success prior to their 2011 takeover. As for Santos, I'd like to add a Brazilian club, but I'm not sure whether they or CR Flamengo are more successful, so somebody who knows Brazilian football/soccer better than I do should weigh in on this. One of those two should definitely be added though. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per JpTheNotSoSuperior. Interstellarity (talk) 21:59, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Party-list proportional representation

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Not added 1–3. Makkool (talk) 17:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Common voting system. Add under "Election".

Support

As nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 08:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose
  1. With Electoral system  5 only being at V5, I'm not convinced that specific voting systems have a place here. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:55, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above Makkool (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:31, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Who Framed Roger Rabbit  5

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Added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 10:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Used to be listed, but was removed without discussion. Iconic blockbuster film, famed for its groundbreaking special effects, and a catalyst for the Disney Renaissance  5. I think it's more important than e.g. Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind (film)  5.

Goes under WP:Vital_articles/Level/5/Arts#Animation.

Support
  1. As nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 15:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I was about to list this a while back but saw it was apparently removed. Surprising, I did not know it was without consensus. Easily one of the most important film in the golden age of American animation. 49p (talk) 02:18, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The golden age of animation was in the earlyish-to-mid 1900s (chiefly 1930s and 1940s) when huge technical advances were made, Roger Rabbit came decades after that (but was set during the era). (As an aside, the WP:COMMONNAME as far as I've seen really is without the "American" part, Wikipedia doesn't specify "European Renaissance" either.)--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, I meant one of the most important films of modern animation, not golden age (while it's set in it), my bad. More accurately, I would say it came out at the end of the "dark age" era but paved the way for the modern era. Either way, the film's influence can't really be understated. 49p (talk) 15:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:27, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom EleniXDD※Talk 03:45, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
  1. If it was removed without discussion, we should add it back and this should be a deletion proposal on behalf of the remover assuming good faith. Aurangzebra (talk) 15:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To clarify, it happened years ago in VA5's WP:BRD era.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 15:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Was its removal part of a set of actions?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:16, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As I recall, a newish editor came and made swaps, which I reverted, but only partially because I didn't feel like WP:OWNing the movie list.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:23, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Berserk (manga)

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Berserk is one of the most influential works in the dark fantasy genre and has influenced a large number of works in a variety of media. It is one of the best-selling manga and has been critically praised. Wzrd517 (talk) 01:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support

  1. As nominator. Wzrd517 (talk) 01:54, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. This is the next work in the animanga sphere I thought to nominate if The Rose of Versailles failed to be added.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:12, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. As vital as Hunter x Hunter, that just got added. Makkool (talk) 09:08, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Discuss

Add Ice climbing

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We have Mountaineering  4 and Rock climbing  4 at level 4 and the sub-branches of Sport climbing  5 and Bouldering  5 at level 5. I think that Ice climbing is also a level 5 (and has its own sub-branches of Mixed climbing and Dry-tooling). Ice climbing appears on 31 different Wikipedia platforms which is also another rough proxy to its vitality imho. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely, since all those other types of climbing are already listed. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:27, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. A major branch of climbing and includes sub-disciplines of mixed climbing and dry-tooling (its article appears in 31 other wikipedia languages - a level only surpassed by mountaineering, climbing and rock climbing in the subject area). 95.45.158.57 (talk) 23:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I struck the unsigned comment posted under the edit summary of "add to my comments", which seems to be an attempt to vote twice.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. not convinced.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:20, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove List of rice dishes  5

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A long and detailed list, but I don't think we really need it as a vital article, as Cooked rice  5 is already listed separately, and that article also contains a list of rice dishes.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 08:11, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. There are very few actually vital lists, and this is not one of them. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:29, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:12, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Assisted living and Independent living

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PARTIALLY PASSED
Assisted added 4–0, independent not added 3-1. Makkool (talk) 10:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Maybe place under Disability in issues, plenty of people are in these living situations. Interstellarity (talk) 20:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 20:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support, maybe under Everyday life/Home living? Makkool (talk) 14:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Assisted. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:21, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Independent.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:21, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Add transport companies

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Add Mediterranean Shipping Company

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The world's largest container shipping company. Not so well-known, but I'm still thinking it's vital enough to include. Currently we don't list any naval transport companies.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 22:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add FedEx  5

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PASSED
Swapped FedEx Express with this 6-0. Makkool (talk) 15:30, 6 October 2024 (UTC) (UTC)[reply]

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Very important transportation company. We already list UPS, and there's no question that FedEx is as vital as they are.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Definitely, especially considering we have FedEx Express listed and not this. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:13, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    1. Support a swap with FedEx Express. We list quite a lot airlines. Makkool (talk) 11:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Should we swap this with Express or no? Either way, per nom 49p (talk) 18:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Swap with FedEx Express. Interstellarity (talk) 22:16, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Swap with FedEx Express. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add DHL Group

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PASSED
Added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 22:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Third largest courier company after UPS and FedEx. Should be listed as well to represent Europe.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 49p (talk) 18:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 22:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
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Add Royal Mail and Post Office Limited

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Major postal companies in the UK. Since this is the English Wikipedia, listing UK companies seems sensible.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Royal Mail Makkool (talk) 06:04, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support Royal Mail only Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. We should list Post office  5 first. And even then, I think these two are too niche, even by British (let alone European) standards. Among British companies, something like Arm Holdings, or something from the FTSE 100, is much more unique/notable in the global context. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:28, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:28, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above points. Another point is that Royal Mail is in decline, so the long-term vitalness is questionable. Sahaib (talk) 07:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add Cheondoism

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Influential as a New religious movement  3 in 19th and 20th century Korea, and one of the satellite parties in North Korea (of which only two exist) was created specifically to represent them. Maybe less influential today, but it still has tens of thousands of adherents in the South alone.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 16:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 22:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Planning  5

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PASSED
Added 4-0. Nominated 3.5 months ago. Last vote 23 days ago.— Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 20:39, January 4, 2025 (UTC)

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A major process in daily life, business and government. Place under Thought  3 in Social studies?

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:31, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Of course. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Arm Holdings

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Major CPU company in GB. Interstellarity (talk) 13:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Doo-wop

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This genre played a crucial role in shaping early rock and roll, as well as being one of the earliest pop styles of vocal harmony groups. Often sung by "one-hit wonder" artists, which is why we don't list many here, they made many of the most celebrated songs of that era.

Support
  1. As nominator. To popular music genres. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:17, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I'm as much of a Motown fan as anyone here, but I am not convinced.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add I Want You Back

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The quintessential Motown recording, at least as much as I Heard It Through the Grapevine  5. It has sold six million copies and has been praised as one of the greatest songs of all time. It's also the debut single of the Jackson 5, and as such it is MJ's introduction to the world.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:09, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 10:11, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Because of the J5/MJ connection.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:27, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. λ NegativeMP1 19:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Istanbul University

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Turkey's premier university. Founded all the way back in 1453.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. In general there's a lot of US bias under universities that needs addressing (I have thought abour proposing many removals there as the subsection is way over quota already) Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Turkey is big enough for a university IMO, and to Iostn's point, I found a couple good removals for US universities. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Interstellarity (talk) 22:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Rework the 20th century specific musical works

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The section listing 20th century specific musical works is highly unrepresentative of 20th century western classical music. Of the 29 works listed, 16 were written before 1920 and only 4 after 1950, including Giazotto’s Adagio in G minor which is a musical scam (and could arguably be put in the Baroque section) and Karl Jenkins’ The Armed Man, which is of debatable historical importance. In addition, while atonality is a defining characteristic of a lot of classical music in this period, there is no atonal work on the list, including Cage’s 4’33’’ which doesn’t use any musical idiom. While the 20th century is full of very influent composers (59 level 5 articles), 4 composers (Debussy, Mahler, Rachmaninoff, Sibelius) have written 14 works on the list, which is almost half. While Debussy and Mahler are central figures of the evolution of musical language, Rachmaninoff and Sibelius (4 works on the list each), although important composers, shouldn’t be this overrepresented and account for a fourth of 20th century music. ThomEmilAlbe (talk) 17:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest at least the following removals : The Armed Man, Csárdás (Monti), Finlandia, Symphony No. 2 (Rachmaninoff), Suite bergamasque, Piano Concerto No. 3 (Rachmaninoff), and at least the following additions : Pierrot lunaire, Music for 18 musicians, Violin Concerto (Berg), Le Marteau sans maître. ThomEmilAlbe (talk) 22:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - excellent points, the list would benefit from these changes Makkool (talk) 11:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose removing Suite bergamasque  5 (contains the world-famous Clair de lune which doesn't have a separate article) and Finlandia  5 (Sibelius's by far most famous and culturally impactful work, I'd rather remove one of his two listed symphonies), support adding Pierrot lunaire.
While I agree avant-garde music may need more representation, your addition suggestions are mostly more obscure than removals, with Pierrot lunaire by Arnold Schoenberg  4 a notable exception, plus Music for 18 musicians and Violin Concerto (Berg) have weak vitality claims. Lulu (opera) seems a more promising 12-tone composition addition than the violin concerto by the same composer. If we're struggling to remove 20th century works, other eras can perhaps be trimmed instead (I already proposed removing a less important Beethoven piece below.). Additonally, a few people's works dominating may be just natural due to Pareto distribution, although the VA project's non-overlap principle can justify counteracting this.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 12:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Lollipop

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A common type of Candy  4. Place under Food types in Everyday life.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 05:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Very common. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:17, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Course (food)

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A class of dishes served as part of a meal. Includes Entrée  5, Main course  5, Side dish  5 and Dessert  4. Rated High-importance in Wikiproject Food and drink.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:27, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Some squares

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A Town square  5 is commonly one of the most, if not the most, visited places in a given city. Many public squares are culturally significant. We do list Red Square  5 but I'm not sure if we list anything else.

Which section should we list these? Red Square  5 is currently in Architecture, but we could move it to Cities, if we feel that to be the best places for squares. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Tiananmen Square  5

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Tiananmen Square in Beijing  3 is where Mao Zedong proclaimed the founding of the People's Republic of China and is home to the National Museum of China  4. Globally, it is perhaps best known for the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre  4.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Although its most well-known for 1989 in the West, its significance to modern Chinese history goes back way before that Iostn (talk) 22:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Alexanderplatz  5

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Alexanderplatz is reputedly the most visited area of Berlin  4 and one of the city's major commercial areas.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 22:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Tahrir Square  5

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Famous for the 2011 Egyptian revolution  5. Note that Cairo  3 is at level 3.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 22:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Taksim Square (not OP)

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Another famous square, major tourist attraction in Istanbul. Also known for protests back in 2013.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Trafalgar Square (not OP)

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Surprising omission, iconic location.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Piccadilly Circus (not OP)

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Can't see not including this along with Trafalgar Sq., as iconic as the other.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support adding, though I think Trafalger is more iconic (Compare the interwikis). Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:22, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. λ NegativeMP1 19:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Times Square  5 (not OP)

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Another iconic location.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Around as important as Wall Street  5. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:22, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Swap National Pro Fastpitch  5 with Women's Professional Fastpitch

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I came across that the US professional women's softball league has changed organizations recently. I feel we should swap this with the new league, even though it was founded only two years ago. I don't think keeping the old one is necessary, even for history's sake. There could be grounds for removal as well, because we are over-quota in this section, so I'll open that up also for discussion.

Support swap
  1. as nom. Makkool (talk) 16:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 22:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose swap
Support remove
Discuss

Add Think tank

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Outside of the U.S., these are better known as policy institutes. They are an important bridge between academic research and policymaking. Some of the most prominent ones are the Brookings Institution, Cato Institute, the Heritage Foundation, RAND Corporation, and Chatham House, among others.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Think thank are very important for social sciences, more specifically to economics and politics. The Blue Rider 21:02, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Very important politically. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Chanson

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French popular music genre encompassing around a thousand years.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makes sense. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Erotica

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An art classification, and an important expression of Human sexuality  2.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:17, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 49p (talk) 18:14, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:29, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 05:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Time management and Procrastination

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Two common "meta" activities conducted by most people. Maybe place under Productivity  4 in Business?

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 10:41, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:20, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 22:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Long Now Foundation  5

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It seems involved in somewhat arcane, futuristic projects. The last ones listed here are from the early 2010s, so it seems this organization has petered out ever since.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Not important enough. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Nun

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A woman who vows to dedicate her life to religious service and contemplation, often through a religious order. Note that the term is not exclusive to Christianity and is not merely analogous to Monk  5.

Support
  1. As nominator. To Religion and Spiriturality --- Practices Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 17:49, 19 October 2024 (UTC)~[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Surprising omission. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Weird this wasn't already included.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 00:54, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
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Add Gender binary

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Since the article was recently brought to my attention by having to revert some nonsense on there yesterday, this is a common societal concept. Add to Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Society_and_social_sciences/Social_studies#Social_status

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 18:00, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 22:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  1. It's a description of a common phenomenon in society from a sociological perspective, almost exclusively from a critical perspective. This does not mean that "gender binary" as a concept is commonly discussed outside of social science circles or outside the Global North. I may support this if Social sciences weren't already over quota and after we have listed more commonly discussed topics such as Collectivism, Habit  5, Planning  5, Strategy  5, Procrastination, etc. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Social studies isn't over quota, its at 497/500. In any case, I do think more entries could be added to that section by clearing some of the excessive pop cultural subculture listings or named generations. Iostn (talk) 08:35, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Trim Academic journals.

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The Culture page is well over the quota, and there are a lot of very important peer-reviewed publications out there. Every discipline has their own set of academic organizations and publications, and every country has them as well. Trying to find out which should be included is very political and will cause infighting, so I'd suggest to only include the ones with the highest impact factor that are very broad and not specific to one country. For example, as a geographer Annals of the American Association of Geographers is very important to me, but I would not include it on this list. There is a lot of representation of medical journals, but many of the physical/social sciences are ignored, I don't see any engineering journals, and there are very few humanities journals. The bar for inclusion is pretty low because no one wants to say an academic journal isn't vital, so it would be best to trim the haphazard collection we have to just the most impactful and broad journals, while eliminating ones that are overly specific to a single discipline or country unless it is particularly noteworthy to avoid opening the can of worms of trying to sort academic journals. I expect this to be controversial and am not married to removing any one of these in particular, but think the ones I've listed are the ones hardest to argue against. If I subjectively didn't include something in this list, feel free to post it for discussion.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove American Journal of Botany

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Removed 5–0. Makkool (talk) 16:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Not important enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oppose
neutral

Remove American Journal of Biological Anthropology

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Removed 5–0. Makkool (talk) 16:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Not important enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:00, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Palaeontology (journal)

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Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 16:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Not important enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Proceedings of the Royal Society

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Not removed 3–2. Makkool (talk) 16:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I don't think we need two Royal Society journals. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:05, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oppose
  1. Based on admittedly limited info, it is described as "one of the most important science journals in history", has significantly higher interwikis and pageviews than most of these, and cites many massive names among its authors. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above Makkool (talk) 09:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Angewandte Chemie

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oppose
neutral

Remove Annalen der Physik

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Not removed 1-3. Makkool (talk) 16:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oppose
  1. Very long-running, published several important papers. 29 interwikis, rated High-Importance by WikiProject Physics. I think this can be kept. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:09, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Annals of Mathematics

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oppose
neutral

Remove The Astrophysical Journal

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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neutral

Remove Botanical Journal of the Linnean Society

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Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 16:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. The article does not indicate any importance. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:15, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Linnean Society of London could be considered as vital as the oldest biological society in the world, but I don't see its scientific journal to be as important. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support swap for Linnean Society of London
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Remove Chemical Reviews

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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neutral

Remove Cochrane Library

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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neutral

Remove Crelle's Journal

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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neutral

Remove Harvard Law Review

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Significant influence re: US law and politics, see the alumni list Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above Makkool (talk) 09:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Journal of the American Chemical Society

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  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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neutral

Remove The Journal of Philosophy

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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neutral

Remove Journal of Zoology

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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neutral

Remove The Lancet

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oppose
  1. The article shows that The Lancet has had a large amount of influence. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:52, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. This is maybe the single most influential academic journal, and I think a lot of people, even those with no connection to medicine, have heard the name before, which is something that is very rare for journals. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
neutral
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Remove Mathematical Reviews

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oppose
neutral

Remove Mind (journal)

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oppose
neutral

Remove Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oppose
neutral

Remove The New England Journal of Medicine

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oppose
  1. This title has gravitas.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:30, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
neutral

RemoveNoûs

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PASSED
Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 16:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. No indication of importance Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]


oppose
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Remove Palaeontology (journal)

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PASSED
Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 16:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oppose
neutral
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Remove Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oppose
  1. The "world's longest-running scientific journal" (and apparently the second oldest overall), 30 interwikis, and over 1500 pageviews in the last month, not to mention the names in the contributors list. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above Makkool (talk) 09:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove The Philosophical Review

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PASSED
Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 16:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oppose
neutral
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Remove Physical Review

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oppose
neutral

Remove Physical Review Letters

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support
  1. as nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oppose
neutral

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Add Methodology

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The study of research methods. An intersection between epistemology, philosophy of science, and the scientific method

Support
  1. As nom. To philosophy of science. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:36, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 08:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. I'm a bit biased because this is where I live professionally. For sure consider it vital. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 16:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Tempura

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A common dish in Japanese cuisine  4 dating back to the 16th century. Place under Seafood in Everyday life.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:05, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 08:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. One of the many examples of Portuguese cuisine  5 that has spread during the Age of Discovery  3. The Blue Rider 20:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Illegal immigration

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A commonly discussed issue in most high-income countries. Place either under Immigration  4 in Social studies, or under Immigration law  5 in Politics and economics. My preference is the former because our article on illegal immigration focuses on the reasons and impact on the practice, rather than how the laws themselves are breached.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:29, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Very important topic. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:36, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. People sure do talk alot about it in the politics, should be included. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:40, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add International school

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A type of Private school  5 which expatriate and immigrant families send their kids to, offering a curriculum different from what is administered in the country. Place under Education.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 10:16, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I've taught at international schools, they are pretty common. The Blue Rider 20:55, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak support. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove Media strategy  5

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This topic does not seem particularly important, the page it is on is well over the quota, and there are more important related topics we don't list. Only three interwikis.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:28, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Add Inti

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The sun god of the Incas. Second important deity for them after Viracocha  5, and the national patron of the Inca state. Add to Native American mythology.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 13:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Drink brand additions

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This is a group of nominations for several different popular drinks that share relatively the same rationale for why they should be added (globally recognized and long-lasting brands, lack of sodas at V5, etc). And so, I've grouped them all up under one topic.

Note that a lot of these had support in the separate proposal to add Fanta  5, though I chose to make a separate proposal so that it's easier to manage, plus there were other drinks I wanted to nominate.

Add Sprite (drink)  5

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PASSED
Added 4–1. Makkool (talk) 10:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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A soft drink that is globally popular, with generally similar popularity as Fanta  5 (though maybe a bit less). Would probably be placed directly under Soft drink  4 since I'm not sure where else it would go.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 17:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support. I would actually prefer 7 Up for balance, to not give Coca Cola Company's products too many slots. But Sprite's okay too 'cause it got support already in the previous proposal. Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support, globally popular drink. Kevinishere15 (talk) 20:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Very popular. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:37, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I would prefer to see 7 Up, I think.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
  1. Not sure if it's significant.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Mountain Dew

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FAILED
Not added 3–3. Makkool (talk) 10:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Another soft drink that is fairly popular, although substantially less than Sprite and Fanta since its marketshare majority is generally only in the United States. Nevertheless, I still think it could be added since its sold in a lot of places, and therefore globally recognized.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 17:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iconic soft drink brand, and it's not true that it isn't significant outside of the US Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Very recognizable, with quite a bit of international popularity. (As I think the interwikis show) Kevinishere15 (talk) 20:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Not significant outside U.S. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per GeogSage feminist🩸 (talk) 05:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:36, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Add Lipton

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FAILED
Not added 2–2. Makkool (talk) 10:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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For a change of pace, here's a globally recognized brand of Iced tea  5 that has existed for over a century. It's sold in over 150 countries and seems to be very popular in the Australasia region.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 17:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. We actually list too many articles about tea. I was thinking of proposing to remove some Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:36, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Add Dr. Pepper

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FAILED
Not added 2-3. Makkool (talk) 10:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Another type of Cola  5. Unlike some of these other drinks, it's not a globally recognized brand and is only produced and sold in the United States. I don't know whether or not it should be added, so I'm actually neutral on this one.

Support
  1. Iconic soft drink brand, and it's not a cola even though it's black in color Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per Makkool. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Not significant outside U.S. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per GeogSage feminist🩸 (talk) 05:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:36, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 17:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@NegativeMP1 "is only produced and sold in the United States" is wrong, the article mentions this. Kevinishere15 (talk) 17:28, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake, but even then, it's very few countries and I still don't know whether or not it should be added. It's definitely the weakest outside of the ones I've proposed. λ NegativeMP1 18:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Nescafé

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FAILED
Not added 3–2. Makkool (talk) 10:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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A globally popular brand of Instant coffee  5 sold worldwide. It even has more interwikis than the concept of Instant coffee itself.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 17:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Loose support GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak support. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:41, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I think it's enough to just list instant coffee Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:36, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral

This or Nespresso? feminist🩸 (talk) 06:00, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trim Academic Institutions

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The Culture page is well over the quota, and we have a lot of Academic Institutions. I can see why this would happen, there are a lot of people in America who really love the school they went to, sports fans, and University employees who all want to see their school as vital. The bar for inclusion is pretty low because no one wants to say a University isn't vital, but it appears we don't have a very good system for why we have included some while others are ignored. It would be best to trim the haphazard collection we have to just the biggest most significant Universities. I think we should start by trimming ones from the United States, as it is clearly WAY over represented (to be fair, the US does have a lot of great school from an international standpoint). I expect this to be controversial and am not married to removing any one of these in particular (I actually expect many if not most of these to fail), but think the ones I've listed are the ones hardest to argue against. If I subjectively didn't include something in this list, feel free to post it for discussion. As an assistant professor, this hurts a bit, however there is significant room to trim the academic institutions, especially in the United States, and tough decisions need to be made. I am not affiliated with any of the schools currently on the list, and never have been, but could make the case for at least five schools being included if we don't trim this as they are just as impactful if not more so then many on the list now. It could easily be a situation where EVERY one of the 50 states flagship universities are included, which wouldn't be ideal.

Remove Duke University

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. 71 interwikis is a huge amount. Kevinishere15 (talk) 00:40, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Florida State University

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. For their role in cancer research among other things Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Georgia Tech

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Miami

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Notre Dame

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Important for Catholic research. The Blue Rider 16:19, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per BlueRider. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:29, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Pittsburgh

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Syracuse University

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Virginia

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Georgetown University

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I think UIUC has importance in difference to others. 49p (talk) 03:18, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Indiana University Bloomington

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Iowa

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support but I'm not happy about it.Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Not seeing why it is vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:32, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Maryland, College Park

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Michigan

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Michigan State University

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Personally, I would rather keep our number of university systems. They are more fulfilling of the role universities should have in society, and the alternative would be leaving only elite institutions that extremely few people will attend. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 14:21, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't see that we have an article for the state system in Michigan. I've looked at the lead of Michigan State University, Eastern Michigan University, Central Michigan University and Western Michigan University. So this must not be a vital state system and I don't think you are saying list all 50 state University systems.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Minnesota

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Does not seem vital enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:30, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Northwestern University

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Purdue University

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Rutgers University

[edit]
Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove University of Wisconsin–Madison

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FAILED
Not removed 1–3. Makkool (talk) 10:23, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Quite an important university, just a quick look at the lead you will find out that As of March 2023, 20 Nobel laureates, 41 Pulitzer Prize winners, 2 Fields medalists, and 1 Turing Award recipient have been affiliated with UW–Madison as alumni, faculty, or researchers." The Blue Rider 16:21, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:30, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss
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Remove Baylor University

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Remove University of Kansas

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Remove University of Texas at Austin

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Remove Pomona College

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  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Remove Swarthmore College

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  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Remove Williams College

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove University of Alabama

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FAILED
Not removed 3–3. Makkool (talk) 10:23, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. If the university was added because of its collegiate football, then at most add such football team. The Blue Rider 16:13, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per Blue Rider, would support just the football team Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. The Crimson Tide is very important to collegiate football, and we even list one of their coaches as vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would support swapping with Alabama Crimson Tide football, since that is really the only thing the university is important for. @GeogSage and The Blue Rider: are you okay with that swap? QuicoleJR (talk) 19:50, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That makes sense to me GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support swap for the team. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Oppose outright removal support swap Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

@QuicoleJR I wasn't thinking of these in terms of College sports, but rather their academic contributions to the global community. American College football isn't significant from a global perspective anyway, so I don't really think University Football teams should be what makes them vital. I certainly don't think the Loughborough University is vital because of their significance to Cricket in England (an article that is not listed as vital I should note). I'd be in favor of purging all American college football/sports from the lists completely, they aren't really vital, dispite what some fandoms might think. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:11, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While I agree that college sports is not that internationally important, if we were to list one college based on its sports team, IMO it would be Alabama. College sports may not be popular overseas, but it is very popular in the United States. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Really? Alabama is that big? I would have thought Notre Dame would have got the push back for that, but that's just because they are one of the few names I recognize in college sports. The more you know. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 16:41, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I assume some people might see things a bit differently, but I believe that the Crimson Tide is among the most vital collegiate football teams, if not the most. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove University of Florida

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Sorry for missing that, I'll remember the format in the future. The reason for removal is at the top, and applies evenly to all of the Universities I proposed removing. Essentially, the haphazard inclusion of schools we have either requires us to include MANY more, or remove a lot of them. For example, looking at the List of research universities in the United States, we don't have all the R1s, but include California State University, which although large, consists of R2 schools. We have several schools listed that are neither R1 or R2. No school I've worked at or gone to is on the Vital list, but they are all R1 or R2 universities that could subjectively be included like most of the ones we do have. To avoid expanding the list to all R1 and R2 schools, I think trimming dramatically is easier. The University of Florida is big, but so are the flagship universities of many states that are not, and should not be (in my opinion), included on the list. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove University of Georgia

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Remove University of Missouri

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Remove Texas A&M University

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Remove Vanderbilt University

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Remove University of Arizona

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Remove University of California, Berkeley

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This one is listed as a Level 4 Vital Article, so it cannot be removed here. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:11, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Remove University of California, Los Angeles

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Remove University of Colorado Boulder

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Remove University of Oregon

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Remove University of Southern California

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Remove University of Washington

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Remove University of California, Davis

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Already nominated in a different section. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Remove University of California, Irvine

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Already nominated in a different section. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove University of California, San Diego

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Already nominated in a different section. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove University of California, Santa Barbara

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Already nominated in a different section. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove California State University

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Not particularly influential academically and fairly recent. It is the largest public university system in the United States, but you would expect the largest state by population to also have the largest public university system. feminist🩸 (talk) 05:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Per my MSU comment. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 14:21, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Claremont Colleges

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Remove State University of New York

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Does not seem particularly important. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above Makkool (talk) 18:04, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Per my MSU comment. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 14:21, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Remove University of North Carolina

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Suport
  1. As nom.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. As User:Tabu Makiadi has noted above, there are some notable University systems worth keeping. This is among the 4 or 5 most important in the US.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:23, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GeogSage: Nominating this many articles at once has made it really hard to go through all of them. Why did you nominate so many at once? QuicoleJR (talk) 20:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is the section is quite bloated. These are the American Universities that I think we could trim, and the list is exclusive to American Universities. Going through and posting them one at a time could take months without addressing the problem of over a decade of bloat, and editors will come in and out over that time making it hard to actually maintain engagement (myself included, I would lose interest in this long before I'd get around to posting one University at a time). This seems like a good way to sort through many at once. At least that's my hope. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Linnean Society of London

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Per discussion above and comment @Makkool, add Linnean Society of London.

Support
  1. Historically important, and the oldest extant biological society in the world Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
  1. Adding this because there were two people who supported it, but I'm personally pretty neutral.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Animal rights

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These go way beyond an ethics debate or a social movement, as almost every country recognizes some form of animal rights. See, for example, Animal rights by country or territory.

Support
  1. As nominator. To law. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:27, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 16:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Iostn (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Hanja

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The character set used to write the Korean language  4 before being replaced by Hangul  4. As a result, knowledge of hanja is necessary to understand historical Korean texts. Compare, for example, the need to understand Traditional Chinese characters  5 to read older Chinese texts.

As a character set that has been superseded, hanja is perhaps less important than other character sets derived from Chinese characters which remain in modern usage, such as Kanji  5 or Traditional Chinese characters  5. However, considering that Classical Chinese  4 is at level 4, the classical Korean character set should still be appropriate at this level.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 05:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Swap Cyrillic alphabets  5 with Armenian alphabet

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Cyrillic alphabets is a List-type article about different variants of the Cyrillic script  3, which is a separate article we also list. Cyrillic alphabets is rated only Low-importance in Wikiproject Writing systems, while Armenian alphabet is rated High-importance. We already list Georgian scripts  5, so it would be fair to include the other major writing system of the Caucasus.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. Erinius (talk) 14:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add The Book of Five Rings  5

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PASSED
Added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 10:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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This book from the 1600s has persisted to relevance to this day. To quote the books lede "many translations have been made, and it has garnered broad attention in East Asia and throughout the world. For instance, some foreign business leaders find its discussion of conflict to be relevant to their work. The modern-day Hyōhō Niten Ichi-ryū employs it as a manual of technique and philosophy."

Support
  1. AS nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:45, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:38, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Geographia Generalis

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This book from the 1650s is still relevant today. Subsequent editions were edited by Isaac Newton, and to quote the lede, "This influential text laid the foundations for modern geographical science and was pivotal in the development of geography as a scientific discipline. Geographer Fred Lukermann described Geographia Generalis as the division between medieval geography from modern geography." Full disclosure, I am the one who originated this article, but I think it is quite important.

Support
  1. As Nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 15:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discus

GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Veteran

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A person who has served in the military. Many veterans embody major historical conflicts and are a distinct social group tied to countries' identities.

Support
  1. As nominator. To politics and economics ----> War and military ----> Military forces. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I'm always suprised by the terms that aren't included already. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:47, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Very important topic. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Important. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:39, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral

Update categorization by college conference of US universities

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Due to changes in college athletic conferences (2021–2026 NCAA conference realignment), some articles in Educational institutions -> Americas -> United States need to be moved to new headings. The Pac-12 section should be emptied, with the pages relocated to other headers as follows:

  • California Berkeley, Stanford -> ACC
  • Arizona, Colorado Boulder -> Big 12
  • UCLA, Oregon, Southern California, Washington -> Big Ten

Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you believe the list would benefit updating the structure, I think you can just go ahead and do it. Unless they are big changes from the way it used to be, the issue doesn't need to opened for discussion. Only removing and adding articles needs to have 4 supporting votes on Level 5. Moving articles across sections and improving the headings can still be done boldly. Makkool (talk) 15:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Kitchen utensil

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An important term and category of household items. We already list Cutlery  4, but this is a separate thing. Add under Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Everyday_life#Cooking_and_eating.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:41, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral

Add Right to education

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This "has been recognized as a human right in a number of international conventions," as well as most countries' constitutions.

Support
  1. As nom. To law. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral

Add Ruins

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Important piece in architecture. Place in architecture.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 12:58, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Important to Archaeology  3 and Tourism  3.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 14:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Very important topic. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:36, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Of course. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Well-being and Social skills

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Place both in psychology. They are both important topics.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 02:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Compound interest

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One of the two main types of Interest  4. Place under Banking and financing.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Handcuffs

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Place in Crime. A common restraint used by police.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:42, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 14:09, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:33, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Should be listed. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:06, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Physical restraint

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Handcuffs are a type of restraint.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:44, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:34, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Definitely. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:07, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Remove Gödel, Escher, Bach  5

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At 220 articles, I feel that the non-fiction section is at about the right size, and I don't think there are any books that would obviously need to be cut. So it's now up to swap articles with others that have more criteria of vitality.

Gödel, Escher, Bach is a famous non-fiction science book, that won the Pulitzer and the National Book Award when it was published. It is a popular book, but it doesn't seem to have had a lasting influence or impact to society.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 14:38, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Man's Search for Meaning

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Paired with the remove proposal above. The article states that it's one of "the ten most influential books in the United States". The book's insights are often quoted by psychologists, and it established the branch of logotherapy.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 14:38, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Add Inferno (Dante), Purgatorio, and Paradiso (Dante)

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Divine Comedy is a V4. Surprised the parts that make up one of the most influential literary works are not listed.

Support
  1. as nom -1ctinus📝🗨 20:22, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems reasonable. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Brunoblocks274 (talk) 19:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Some 20th century fiction removals

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Remove The Mysterious Affair at Styles  5

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The first novel in the Hercule Poirot series. It was Agatha Christie's first detective novel and it launched her writing career, but otherwise it doesn't seem that vital. It's enough that we list Murder on the Orient Express  5 and The Murder of Roger Ackroyd  5.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:30, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove Norwegian Wood (novel)  5

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I think it's enough to list The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle  5, two novels from Haruki Murakami could be too many.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. This one is actually more well-known than The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle  5. Iostn (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Foucault's Pendulum  5

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Likewise, I think The Name of the Rose  5 is enough, and we don't need two Umberto Eco novels.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Both of these were significantly influential. Iostn (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Apology (act)

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Universal human act found in everyday life. Vital for communication.

Support
  1. As nom. -1ctinus📝🗨
  2. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 12:26, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Roland TR-808

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Extremely important drum machine influential in Hip hop and electronic music. From the article:

Though the 808 was unsuccessful, it was eventually used on more hit records than any other drum machine and became one of the most influential inventions in popular music

The 808 has been described as hip hop's equivalent to the Fender Stratocaster guitar, which dramatically influenced the development of rock music.

The 808 was used extensively in pop.

Support
  1. as nom. -1ctinus📝🗨 19:53, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems important, although I want to remind the nominator to provide a place that this would actually go if listed. @1ctinus: do you mind specifying? λ NegativeMP1 23:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    under Electronic instruments in the Arts section. :) -1ctinus📝🗨 23:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Instrumental, pun intended, to the history of modern music. Aurangzebra (talk) 03:46, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Kyunki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi

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Very popular and culturally important in India, a country of over a billion people. Indian television is horribly underrepresented, and this show would make a good addition. It received several awards, received very high ratings for several years, and seemingly had a major impact on Indian culture. Rated High-Importance by WikiProject India.

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  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Capital market

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A capital market is a financial market in which long-term debt (over a year) or equity-backed securities are bought and sold, as opposed to a Money market  5. It is also an umbrella term which covers both the Stock market  5 and the Bond market  5. Place this under Financial market  5.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:41, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Concert tour

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Also known as simply just a "tour". Practically every artist or band goes on one at some point in their career, regardless of where they are from, with many going around the world (or at least half of it). Also, Concert  4 is V4, so I figure we have room for a subtopic.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 21:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Very important topic. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Alternative civilian service

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Also known as just civilian service. An alternative to Conscription  4 in many countries with a national service. Add under War and military.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:33, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Important topic. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Angolan Portuguese

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Portuguese language  3 is VA3, and the only variant currently listed is the Brazilian one, which was just added. Portuguese is spoken by about 70% of the 37 million people in Angola, with nearly half speaking it as their first language.

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  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Language variants

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Portuguese language  3, French language  3, Spanish language  3 and Greek language  3 are all level 3.

Add French of France

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To swap Standard French with.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:06, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add European Portuguese

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Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support. Portugal isn't a very large country in terms of population, but this was the original version, so it can be included. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. -1ctinus📝🗨 02:40, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @1ctinus: Out of curiosity, why are you opposing this nomination? QuicoleJR (talk) 14:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I know people will disagree, but Portugal is too small of a country to include. There are probably hundreds of variants of other languages with more speakers than European Portuguese… -1ctinus📝🗨 15:27, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Spanish language in the Americas

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Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely. Mexican Spanish should also be listed. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Brunoblocks274 (talk) 01:48, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Interwikis are low; I was thinking Peninsular, Mexican, and Rioplatense should be subtopics for the Spanish language  3.
    Colombian Spanish would be important too for the high number of speakers and prestige status in South America. I would support all those as subtopics, but if they would take too many slots, Spanish language in the Americas. Latin American Spanish links there too. Makkool (talk) 20:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Modern Greek

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We list Ancient Greek  4, but not this.

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  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Mexican Spanish

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For similar reasons as the recent addition of Brazilian Portuguese  5, Mexico is the largest Spanish-speaking country, with over 100 million people who speak Spanish as a first language.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Spanish language  3 does not currently have any subtopics. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 04:42, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Brunoblocks274 (talk) 23:18, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Masterpiece

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Place in architecture. Surprised this is not listed.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:59, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support listing, though I'm not sure architecture is the best place to list it. Kevinishere15 (talk) 18:12, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Art not architecture-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Is architecture really the best place for this? None of the examples in the article are architecture. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:07, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Armed forces additions

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Add United States Marine Corps

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Famous and iconic branch of United States Armed Forces  5

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add French Armed Forces

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Largest military by size in the European Union.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Decently large, and tons of historical importance. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add French foreign legion

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A very famous branch of the French armed forces.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Seems somewhat well-known, but we definitely don't need two articles for the French army. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Bundeswehr

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Germany's armed forces, the second largest military in the EU after France.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Not particularly large, and little to no historical importance, since it was only created in the 1950s. "Second-largest military in the EU" is not a good enough reason to list it IMO. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Wand to Philosophy and Religion

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I'm a bit surprised this wasn't included. I believe this is a significant religious object to numerous groups throughout history and literature. The term has been used as the name for numerous tools and inventions (as can be seen on Wand (disambiguation)), including as a name for a missile defense system known now as David's Sling, and various software tools. I believe it warrants inclusion.

Support
  1. As nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Also important in pop culture. Kevinishere15 (talk) 01:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Swap NTV (Russia)  5 for TV Globo

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NTV is a Russian TV channel that seems major domestically but not really important internationally compared to the other Russian stations listed (such as Russia-1  5 or RT (TV network)  5. TV Globo is one of the world's largest TV networks and has long been highly influential on Brazilian society.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 13:01, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Customer

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We already have Customer service listed. We might as well list this one as well.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:22, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Patronage

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Surprised this was not listed.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Procurement

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We do this every day in society.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:26, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Purchasing

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We do this every day.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Payment

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We use forms of payments every day.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:29, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Cathay Pacific  5, Aeroflot  5, and AirAsia  5

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Airlines are very visible because of their pricing system and customer services, but they are only one element of air travel, and it's probably excessive for them to make up almost 10 % of all vital companies. These are some of the lesser ones in terms of passenger volumes, innovation, and historical significance.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Vendor

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We see these in stores all the time.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Distribution (marketing)

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Concepts in marketing that are not listed.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Social media influencer

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After 9 months of discussion, Influencer has been split from Internet celebrity  5.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:27, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As Nom. I think this is more important than internet celebrity. Since Celebrity  5 is only a VA5, maybe we should swap this in for Internet celebrity.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:27, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support a swap. I was the original nominator for Internet celebrity  5 and in my proposal, I mentioned how I would prefer adding 'influencer' but since they were merged for the time being, I was fine with Internet celebrity. Aurangzebra (talk) 07:48, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support a swap rather than straight-up add, per above. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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On December 28, the page was moved to Social media influencer. At that time I noticed that this recently created page had 25 interwikis. I am not sure if something went wrong with the page move, but went it live in main space on December 2 and can not believe it already has that many interwikis.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Upon further review, some languages have not parsed out separate articles for influencer and internet personality (es) or have it glommed in with content creator (ca). It seems that Internet personality and this page show interwikis to some of the same articles? It has 29 interwikis.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Yuppie  5

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Don't see the vitality in this. Demographic term that was a fad for a while but isn't really used very often nowadays.

Support
  1. As nom. -1ctinus📝🗨 01:42, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:48, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Quidditch (real-life sport)

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As a fan of the series, I've barely heard of this sport and have no connection to anyone who's ever played it. It's not even called quidditch anymore.

Support
  1. As nom. I thought about this after the proposals to remove the Harry Potter movie series and Daniel Radcliffe. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:55, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. How did this get added? Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:06, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 06:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Private good

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It seems that Public good (economics)  5 is about to pass. This seems to be a more precise term than Personal property  5. In fact, I would choose this over personal property if only one could be listed.

Support
  1. As nom. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Pantyhose

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Important topic, surprised it isn't listed. 47 interwikis, rated High-Importance by WikiProject Fashion.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 03:00, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. They appear to be in decline. Sahaib (talk) 09:21, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Vert skateboarding  5 and Vert skating  5

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I think people concur that Skateboarding  4 and Roller skating  4 use vert ramps, so I am not convinced we need dedicated articles for both of them. Note that the more general term for these structures are Half-pipes.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 06:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Gigolo  5

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Repetitive to Male prostitution  5.

Support
  1. As nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 02:33, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Similar to Call girl  5 it is a refined form of prostitution. The fact that we have Meat  3 does not mean we need to remove Steak  5.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:47, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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Remove AMA Supercross Championship  5

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Motorcycle racing  5 is only VA5, so having two named events could be a bit much. The other one is the Grand Prix motorcycle racing  5. This one lost its status as a world championship for supercross, which is in itself a variant of Motocross  5, in 2021.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 02:33, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevinishere15 (talk • contribs) 04:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. I think sprots and competitions are generally way over represented so agree this should be cut. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Suncorp Super Netball

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Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 10:39, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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5 of the 54 Sports leagues we list are based in Oceania. This was founded in 2016 and has eight teams.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 02:33, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Zero interwikis. Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Why was this on the list? QuicoleJR (talk) 18:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Sport stacking

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Removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 10:39, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Could be biased because I have never heard of it, but the article does not assert vitality.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 02:33, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Of course. Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Swap Entomophagy  5 with Insects as food

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We list Entomophagy in the Cooking, food and drink section, but Insects as food would make more sense there. We could also keep the current article and move it somewhere else.

Support swap
  1. Makkool (talk) 14:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Standard Chinese

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The written form of the language.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 21:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. We list many variants of Chinese already; and Standard French is up for removal above, but I would still support as Standard Chinese has an influential position in global politics and business. Also, we list Modern Standard Arabic  5, which is a similar world language. Makkool (talk) 15:56, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Consumerism

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This is a topic that should have been L4 already.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 11:30, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. -1ctinus📝🗨 18:34, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Arrow (TV series)

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Not added 2–3. Makkool (talk) 10:39, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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With the recent cuts to TV shows I feel one may be added. No other American super hero shows besides The Powerpuff Girls and Batman (TV series)  5. Arrow was fairly popular during its 8 season run. Spawned 3 spin offs and a television franchise that ran from 2012 through a few days ago (or 2023 depending on how you wish to count it). 49 interwikis and 54k~ page views.

Support
  1. As nom Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:36, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. On the topic of American super hero shows, I want to add that I think The Boys (TV series) could be worthy of vitality in a few years depending on how the fifth season is received. λ NegativeMP1 07:59, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Can't see this as one of the most vital TV shows of all time. It should be massively popular, not just fairly popular to be included IMHO. Maybe I could weakly support Arrowverse, but not this on its own. Makkool (talk) 12:47, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Like Makkool above I might support adding the Arrowverse as a whole but not one of the specific shows. Kevinishere15 (talk) 18:02, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I oppose Arrowverse, so I oppose this as well. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:55, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Rogue (video game)  5

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People have talked about removing this in the past, but nobody has proposed it yet. Of all of the currently-listed games, this would be the easiest to remove. It has pretty much zero importance outside of popularizing the Roguelike  5 genre, which we already list separately. The genre is certainly vital, but we don't need to list this game as well.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:10, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose simple removal; the genre is big enough at this point (There's even a roguelite Prince of Persia now!) that I think we need an example of it.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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As a possible replacement, NetHack is another ancient roguelike pillar, estimated as the second-most-influential in this page (section "Which games have influenced other games, exactly?"). It doesn't have as much pure name recognition but is more widely actually played; I can't be bothered to find sources right now for all of these but IIRC it's been cited as a direct influence for Dwarf Fortress, Spelunky and Minecraft  5 [1]. Plus its exceptional complexity has gotten attention as a challenge for machine learning agents[2][3].10:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I would say Rogue is more notable as the forefather of the genre, and I don't feel strongly to swap it with another roguelike. I think like QuicoleJR that the genre is best covered by just the roguelike article. Makkool (talk) 16:20, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Indian Armed Forces  5 and Israel Defense Forces  5

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Both added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 10:39, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The Indian Armed Forces are the second-largest military in the world, with the largest reserve force. They are also one of the strongest militaries in the world and have participated in several major conflicts in recent history.

The Israel Defense Forces may not be one of the largest or strongest militaries in the world, but it is vital for being one of the most active, and for having a massive impact across the Middle East. The IDF has participated in many wars against nearby Islamic countries, especially Lebanon and Palestine, since the 1940s, and caused massive damage to occupied territories on several occasions.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:50, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support both Makkool (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 03:25, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 14:04, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Fantasy fandom

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We list many subtopics for Fandom  5, which is only level 5. Fantasy fandom is the easiest cut, because it isn't so independent separate from the sci-fi fandom. Many sci-fi conventions cater to both sci-fi and fantasy fans, and many sci-fi awards are handed to both fantasy and sci-fi genres, the Hugos most famously. Fantasy fandom also has the least daily pageviews and interwikis (just 3 languages).

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:13, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 03:42, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 14:05, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Swap Planet of the Apes (1968 film)  5 with Planet of the Apes

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Plain removal didn't look like it could get anywhere, so I'll propose a swap with the media franchise instead.

Planet of the Apes -frachise has had enduring popularity for 56 years. It covers 10 theatrical films, two 1970's TV shows and the original Pierre Boulle novel of course. The first instalment on its own doesn't seem to fit the vital movie status. Unlike many other sci-fi movies in the list, it's not considered one of the greatest films of all time.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Weak oppose. Not considered the greatest of all time but I think the fact it did spawn such a successful franchise indicates how iconic the film was (in a similar manner to how we list Alien (film)  5 and not Alien (franchise)). The twist ending is also considered to be both one of the greatest twists and also one of the greatest endings of all time. It has been imitated into oblivion by other films at this point but when it first came out, it was groundbreaking. The movie is also very popular in the cultural zeitgeist with many quotes that people will instantly recognize (one of them, "Get your paws off me, you damned dirty ape," is on the AFI 100 years... 100 quotes list). Aurangzebra (talk) 03:38, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. If we really must get rid of a science fiction movie, my vote would be for Pan's Labyrinth  5. More beloved by critics, yes. But is it still particularly relevant even just ~20 years later? Not really. Aurangzebra (talk) 03:41, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Pan's Labyrinth is important certainly to reduce Hollywood and English-language bias. I didn't choose this as a sci-fi movie specifically. I carefully looked at the whole list to find articles with some justification for cutting. Not many came up, the list is pretty strong as it is. Makkool (talk) 16:06, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Graduation and Diploma

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These are as important as Academic degree  5.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:45, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support as nom. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:45, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, they are vital education topics still missing Makkool (talk) 20:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Master of Puppets

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This album was suggested for addition earlier this year by a now blocked user, as part of a proposal to remove Metallica (album)  5 (though compensate for the removal by adding Enter Sandman). But that proposal barely gained any traction, nine months have passed since then, and I think a more detailed rationale for why Master of Puppets should be listed could be given, and I don't think a swap is necessary. Basically, I think both Master of Puppets and the Black Album belong at this level, and I don't think Enter Sandman itself covers the Black Album enough. Yes, this is definitely a stretch since Metallica  5 itself is only V5 (though I would support moving them to V4), so two entire albums from them is absolutely pushing it, but I will explain why I think both should be listed.

I believe Master of Puppets and the Black Album are influential for completely different reasons to where I think putting the two against each other is illogical. The Black Album is important for being a cultural landmark of sorts that made metal more accessible, and there are several popular songs from that album to where I simply do not think the proposed idea of only listing Enter Sandman makes any sense. Meanwhile, Master of Puppets is influential for being the most critically acclaimed album in that genre, or at least second to Paranoid (album)  5. It is widely considered one of the greatest albums of all time as well, and in lists where it and the Black Album are both included, it always ranks above it. And the article for Master of Puppets makes its influence even more clear: "Master of Puppets became thrash metal's first platinum album and by the early 1990s thrash metal successfully challenged and redefined the mainstream of heavy metal.", "Master of Puppets is widely accepted as the genre's most accomplished album, and paved the way for subsequent development", and " In 2015, Master of Puppets became the first metal recording to be selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the National Recording Registry for being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant."".

As I stated above, I think the areas of importance that these two albums cover (the Black Album's influence in pop culture, and Master of Puppets' genre importance) are different enough to warrant listing both. But I would definitely understand if anyone did not want two albums from this band, so in the event of a worst-case scenario, I think the influence of Master of Puppets is objectively larger than the Black Album, and would reluctantly be fine with a swap.

Support
  1. λ NegativeMP1 22:00, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. In top 3 most vital metal albums for sure Makkool (talk) 17:49, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Add important offices

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Add Police station

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Support
  1. Support as nom. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:27, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 02:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:18, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Fire station

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Support
  1. Support as nom. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:27, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 02:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:18, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Post office

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Nominated somewhere else already. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:17, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support
  1. Support as nom. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:27, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
  1. @TonyTheTiger: this has already been nominated above. Kevinishere15 (talk) 00:17, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Proposal: Reorganize video games to be based on genres, not region

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I don't think that organizing the video games section by country/region of origin makes any sense. Practically every other section for media like this (music, films, books, etc.) is sorted by genre, not whichever region/country it originated from. In fact, I'd go on record to say that video games make the least sense out of any other type of media to sort by country of origin because most important video games originate from either the United States or Japan (save for a few outliers like Minecraft  5 or Grand Theft Auto  5), unlike other listings that are generally more diverse. And this doesn't seem like some weird quirk involving video games being listed under Everyday life rather than Arts (like other media), since even board games and (somewhat) sports are sorted by a defining characteristic that is comparable to a "genre".

So with all of that being said, I propose that we reshuffle the video games section to be based on that games genre (or primary genre, at least) rather than its country of origin. In addition to all of my concerns above, I also believe that doing this would make navigation far easier. I also think this could maybe help with cleanup efforts, since this might allow us to figure out easier what genres are over-represented or under-represented. I would be boldly doing this myself, but I kinda figured that this would probably require a consensus since it's reorganizing an entire section.

Support
  1. As the proposal creator. Do note that, if this does pass, I will reorganize the section myself and not require that someone else do it. λ NegativeMP1 03:28, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  1. Might move more firmly into support or oppose later, but I'm neutral for now. Both versions have their reasons for being the one we go with. @NegativeMP1: Could you please make a draft of what the section would look like if this change passed? I would find that very helpful in deciding whether I support the change or not. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:06, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Will do, give me a little bit. λ NegativeMP1 17:13, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @NegativeMP1: How's it going? QuicoleJR (talk) 17:59, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I completely forgot all about it, to be honest. The diversity in video game genres makes it kinda hard for me to figure out what game should go where, though I still think in the long-term, sorting by genres is better than country of origin. I'd like to see your arguments for why you think listing by country of origin is better, though. λ NegativeMP1 19:11, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Like I said earlier, I don't feel strongly towards either. You already described the benefits of sorting by genre, so here are the arguments for sorting by country:
    • There is precedent. This isn't a very strong argument, but you mention above that every other medium sorts by genre, so I figured that I would mention for context that TV shows also sorts by country of origin.
    • It is more compact. Sorting by country keeps everything in a few large categories, while the genre proposal will lead to the creation of a bunch of smaller categories.
    • It is easier. This is the main benefit. You yourself mention above that the diversity in genres makes it hard to decide which game goes where, and it will only get more confusing if we add multi-genre games. It also could be hard to decide what counts as a genre. Closing addition proposals is hard enough, we don't need to make it harder.
    I'm still undecided as to whether I would rather sort by genre or by country, but these are the benefits of sorting by country. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I see. I guess I didn't notice the TV shows one, but if anything that also makes TV show organization an oddity. I'll still see if there's a way to sort by genre without making too many smaller sub-categories. If I can't, then I might withdraw this and leave this section as is. λ NegativeMP1 20:04, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Proposal: Restructure books of the Bible

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Currently we list every book of the Bible in the Religion section. The religion and philosophy page is 36 articles over-quota, and I think it would be possible to cut some back there. I think they were included in the process of filling the available space, but now when new additions have been coming in, there might be no longer room for the whole set.

I think this would make sense, because we can replace individual Bible books with other articles about the Bible that cover a larger whole and the same books, like Pauline letters. We shouldn't cut all individual books, some of them are definitely worth keeping in the Vital Articles, likewise other Bible articles like Sermon on the Mount.

Here is a draft of what I would thinking the Bible section could look like after bringing it down 36 articles:

  1. Biblical canon
  2. Old Testament (Level 4)
    1. Book of Genesis
      1. Genesis creation narrative
    2. Book of Exodus
      1. The Exodus
    3. Book of Leviticus
    4. Historical books
    5. Poetic Books
      1. Book of Job
      2. Psalms
      3. Book of Proverbs
    6. Prophetic books
      1. Book of Isaiah
      2. Book of Daniel
    7. Deuterocanonical books
    8. Biblical apocrypha
  3. New Testament (Level 4)
    1. Four Evangelists
      1. Gospel of Matthew
        1. Sermon on the Mount
      2. Gospel of Mark
      3. Gospel of Luke
        1. Parable of the Good Samaritan
      4. Gospel of John
    2. Luke–Acts
      1. Acts of the Apostles
    3. Pauline epistles
      1. Epistle to the Romans
      2. First Epistle to the Corinthians
    4. Catholic epistles
    5. Book of Revelation
    6. New Testament apocrypha

For transparency, here are the articles that would be removed in the above proposal: Book of Numbers, Book of Deuteronomy, Book of Joshua, Book of Judges, Book of Ruth, Books of Samuel, Books of Kings, Books of Chronicles, Book of Ezra, Book of Nehemiah, Book of Esther, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs, Book of Jeremiah, Book of Lamentations, Book of Ezekiel, Twelve Minor Prophets, Book of Tobit, Book of Judith, Book of Baruch, Book of Sirach, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, Book of Wisdom; Second Epistle to the Corinthians, Epistle to the Galatians, Epistle to the Ephesians, Epistle to the Philippians, Epistle to the Colossians, First Epistle to the Thessalonians, Second Epistle to the Thessalonians, First Epistle to Timothy, Second Epistle to Timothy, Epistle to Titus, Epistle to Philemon, Epistle to the Hebrews, Epistle of James, First Epistle of Peter, Second Epistle of Peter, First Epistle of John, Second Epistle of John, Third Epistle of John, Epistle of Jude

And here are the articles that would be added: Historical books, Poetic Books, Prophetic books, Four Evangelists, Luke–Acts, Pauline epistles, Catholic epistles. They are taken from the Old Testament and New Testament link templates here in Wikipedia, so they are not my own idea. For full disclosure, I'm not a theologian or expert, but my knowledge is from personal study and interest.

Support
  1. As nominator Makkool (talk) 20:17, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sahaib (talk) 15:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. While I agree the bible books need cuts I feel this is way too many for a single bulk removal. Maybe split the removal in half or in thirds? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 06:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I'd rather wait and see how VA5 develops more over the years (no doubt there are numerous obscure junk topics to remove we haven't noticed yet) before making such big cuts to the Bible  3.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 22:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Add Arrowverse

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FAILED
Not added 3–3. Makkool (talk) 10:39, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Suggested on my Arrow proposal some of the arguments were copied over With the recent cuts to TV shows I feel one may be added. No other American super hero shows besides The Powerpuff Girls and Batman (TV series)  5. Arrowverse was a series of 6 (or 9) shows that ran from 2012 through a few days ago (or 2023 depending on how you wish to count it). The six core shows had around 37 seasons of television. Only 27 interwikis though the individual shows have significantly more and 45k~ page views. To Long-running, ended

Support
  1. As nom Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support, comparable to Marvel Cinematic Universe  5 but instead for television. Could be seen as vital for its uniqueness as a group of linked TV shows. Neutral over if we need to have more superhero shows just for the sake of it. Makkool (talk) 18:42, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak support, a collection of shows that aren't quite vital on their own, definitely a case of the whole being more important than the parts. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:15, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose, I don't think this show will be "vital" in another 10 or 20 years, so this is recency bias. It isn't particuarlly impactful, just another superhero soap opera.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:56, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak oppose. As with GeogSage, I think this is recency bias and if we add this, I see this being removed in the exact same way we purged those other TV shows because they didn't stand the test of time. I'd rather wait this one out. Aurangzebra (talk) 05:37, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Recentism, we don't need every semi-popular franchise.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Surveillance

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What Closed-circuit television  5 cameras do.

Support
  1. As nom. B3251(talk) 18:20, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Some education topics

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Add Lesson

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How education is structured concretely. Rated Top-importance in Wikiproject Education, 38 interwikis.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:47, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Educational technology

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An important aspect of teaching, especially in today's classrooms. Rated High-importance, 42 interwikis.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:47, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove Stamp collecting and Coin collecting

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PASSED
Both removed 4–1. Makkool (talk) 10:39, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Per your suggestions above. I think these are adequately covered by Philately  5 and Numismatics  5, respectively.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:32, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Not vital topics. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:48, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support per nom. Makkool (talk) 20:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Agreed. We don't need to include the act of collecting things in our collection of vital articles. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Overlap is good in V5. -1ctinus📝🗨 18:32, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @1ctinus: Is stamp collecting really one of the 50,000 most vital topics on Wikipedia? I doubt it. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss
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Remove Today Tonight  5 and Sunrise (Australian TV program)  5

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Australian TV shows that don't assert much vitality.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 10:39, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove Bukkake  5

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It may seem unfair to nominate this, but this appears to be more of an obscure porn genre than a sexual activity people engage in (it's listed under sex positions).

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Swap for group sex, since it doesn't make sense to list this and not that, which is a much more basic and broader concept. Admittedly, bukkake does have a lot of interwikis and pageviews so it could possibly be readded if everyday life is below quota. Iostn (talk) 18:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove Amtrak  5

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I love transit as much as anyone, but this one doesn't come to my mind when I think of vital American companies. Despite some renovation attempts, its 22.9 million passengers in 2022 are way below the 400-500 million figures the other rail companies we list, and that's in the low end.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose.
  1. Oppose. This is essential to the history of American rail as an industry. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. We need an American railroad on this list. Either keep or swap with the UPRR or the BNSF. pbp 16:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Franz Mayer Museum  5 and Museo de Arte Moderno  5

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We list eight museums in Mexico City, more than we list for any country other than the UK or the US. As someone who's visited both more than once, I wouldn't consider them among the 100 or so most vital museums.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:54, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. They don't seem vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Paul Atreides

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Paul has appeared in several books, 3 movies (+1 upcoming movie), 2 miniseries and other media such as video games. He would most likely go in the book section, he has more languages links than Prince Hamlet, Elizabeth Bennet, Captain Ahab, Astro Boy (character), Zatoichi, Iago, Uncle Tom, Ultraman (character), Grinch.

Before fully making my opinion, I'd like to first point out that a) this nom should be moved to the Society section, because this is a fictional character, and b) I'd prioritise adding characters like Circe who have a much longer history of cultural influence.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 23:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support
  1. Sahaib (talk) 22:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. "A beginning is the time for taking the most delicate care that the balances are correct. This every sister of the Bene Gesserit knows. To begin your study of the life of Muad'Dib, then take care that you first place him in his time: born in the 57th year of the Padishah Emperor, Shaddam IV. And take the most special care that you locate Muad'Dib in his place: the planet Arrakis. Do not be deceived by the fact that he was born on Caladan and lived his first fifteen years there. Arrakis, the planet known as Dune, is forever his place." Dune may be his place, but he also deserves a place among the vital articles. "Remember, we speak now of the Muad'Dib who ordered battle drums made from his enemies' skins, the Muad'Dib who denied the conventions of his ducal past with a wave of the hand, saying merely: "I am the Kwisatz Haderach. That is reason enough." GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Not sure if they're very culturally influential or significant. Dune isn't that big of a global franchise in comparison to some of the others we list that have characters listed. λ NegativeMP1 21:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I'm seeing more a case for REMOVING characters from a single work (esp. If the work is itself VA5) than adding Paul pbp 17:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

@User:NegativeMP1, per the lede of the Dune (franchise) page, "Dune is frequently described as the best-selling science fiction novel in history. It won the inaugural Nebula Award for Best Novel and the Hugo Award in 1966 and was later adapted into a 1984 film, a 2000 television miniseries, and a two-part film series with the first film in 2021 and a sequel in 2024." Paul is the main character of the first and best selling of the books in the franchise. If Luke Skywalker  5 is included, Paul Atreides should definitly be included. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Luke Skywalker has 57 interwikis, comes from a Level-4 vital franchise, and is undoubtedly a pop culture icon alongside Darth Vader  5 (though I think Vader is arguably more recognizable than Skywalker). In comparison, Paul Atreides has 18 interwikis and the Dune franchise itself isn't even Level-5, only the 1965 book. And for what this is worth, I have never watched a full Star Wars movie, and I have never extensively engaged with any Dune-related media. Yet, I know who Skywalker and Vader are very well, and have since I was a child, while this proposal was my first time ever hearing about Atreides. I don't think the two are comparable. My opinion is unchanged, I don't think Atreides shouldn't be listed, and I also agree with pbp's stance on listing some fictional characters. I'd probably support listing Dune itself as a vital franchise though. λ NegativeMP1 06:57, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Dune (novel) came out in 1965 while Star Wars (film) came out in 1977. It is pretty widely believed that Star Wars was influenced by Dune, and the characters of Luke Skywalker AND Darth Vader borrow quite a bit from Paul Atreides. In one of the later books, Frank Herbert made an in universe term "three P-O" meaning "someone who surrounds themselves with cheap copies." It is widely thought that this is a reference to the star wars carrier C-3PO. Here is a USA today article titled 'Star Wars' Day is sign of franchise's mass appeal. It owes a lot to Frank Herbert's 'Dune' that goes into this in a bit more detail. Luke and Darth Vader are famous, Paul is a character that influenced them heavily. As an article, Paul Atreides is essential to understanding how the genre has developed, and notable within the genre for having a material impact on it. I'm not sure how much weight I give interwiki links. I'll nominate Dune as a franchise. You should watch the new Dune movies, love the books and can say the movie only made me a little frustrated instead of the normal deep rage I get when watching a book I love become a film. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 07:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can see your rationale a bit more clearly now, but I still feel like if the Dune franchise article is added, an article on the subject that's worth is salt would cover the its impact on the genre, no? I don't think listing Atreides is particularly "essential" in that regard. λ NegativeMP1 08:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Understandable, thanks for hearing me out! GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:38, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Molasses

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Would probably go under the Specific herbs and condiments category in "Everyday life". Type of Syrup  5. Molasses is probably one of the most practical Sugar  3 byproduct out there and is used for various culinary reasons, as well as to distill Rum  4 among other things. 68 Wikilinks. Definitely should be added.

Support
  1. As nom. B3251(talk) 02:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 02:52, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:28, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Definitly. This is important in understanding several historic trade networks. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove Wellington boot  5

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We currently list Boot  4 and this is the singular type of boot listed at level 5. I don't consider this to be the most vital type of boot. I would consider combat boot, snow boot or cowboy boot more vital.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  1. Maybe even Ski boot. There are too many modern types of waterproof shoe technology to focus on the rubber boot.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 10:49, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Support
  1. As nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Important piece of footwear. Rubber boot redirects to Wellington boot. Makkool (talk) 23:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss
  1. The generic duck boot, of which Bean boots are a brand name version and galoshes were way more popular when I was growing up. Not sure why we don't have a generic duck boot article.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Athletic shoe

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I misunderstood the redirect at first-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:21, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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We list Shoe  4, but don't list this. Instead we list Sneakers  5 both Football boot  5 and Cleat (shoe)  5, but don't list Track spikes. Since Dance shoe is a redirect, we don't list it or any of its important types such as Pointe shoe, Ballet slipper, Jazz shoes or the redirect for Tap shoe.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:07, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:07, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
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Add EssilorLuxottica

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It was claimed that Luxottica owned 80% of the eyewear industry according to this and that was before its merger with Essilor in 2018. The merged company has been described as having a near monopoly in the eyewear industry. In 2024, they also bought Supreme (brand) for some reason.

Support
  1. As nom. Sahaib (talk) 19:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:33, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Reforestation

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Deforestation is level 4, so this makes senses.

Support
  1. As nom. Sahaib (talk) 21:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Seems redundant to the broader Ecological restoration  5.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Swap Track spikes for Cleat (shoe)  5

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My conjecture is that American English speakers misplace vitality on Cleat (shoe)  5 because we call Football boot  5 Cleats. I did not realize that the article for Cleat (shoe) is not about a type of shoe until I tried to look at the two articles for merging. Track spikes are of similar importance to Football boot in my mind.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:03, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:03, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 23:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Debbie Does Dallas

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If we are to have a second pornographic film, this would be it. I think it is the next most vital although from the same decade as Deep Throat (film)  5. I think this is the other classic porno. If you asked people to name 2 well-known pornos, this is probably the other famous one.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:42, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:30, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
  1. I wasn't expecting this to be available on Wikimedia Commons. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:03, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Virtual currency

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This belongs aside Digital currency  5-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. As nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Abbey

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Given the list at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Philosophy_and_religion#Institutions includes Monastery  4. This is a type of monastery.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Courthouse

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Town hall

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Syrian literature

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A GA, covering the history of Syrian literature as a national subgenre of Arabic literature. It covers the definition and beginnings of this literature up to works of the 21st-century, including a host of works reflecting exile, war and imprisonment of the latest period in Syria's history. - If necessary, we could swap it for Sumerian literature , that is VA-5, but obviously not as relevant for the present.

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  1. as nom-Munfarid1 (talk) 15:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Adds for Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Everyday_life#Hairstyle

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I want to take a closer look at this section.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Braid (hairstyle)

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Formerly, Braid  5 was listed in hairstyle. Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Level/5/Archive_20#Potentially_incorrect_link left open the possibility to nominate this separately.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Arguably this should have been listed all along Makkool (talk) 12:54, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Cornrows

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The cornrows that I see on some heads during NBA playoff time are incredible fashion statements and true artwork. They surely belong aside Dreadlocks  5

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Bangs (hair)

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 06:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Mohawk hairstyle

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Regular haircut

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Long hair

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Short hair

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Bob cut

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add some temporary storage items

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The list was going to be longer, but I'll stop at these two.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Baggage

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I know this topic as luggage.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. agree with nom, first time I have heard of "luggage" not being called that. Sahaib (talk) 09:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Briefcase

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Swap University of Tsukuba  5 for Sorbonne University

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Tsukuba seems to be the weakest of all 133 of the Japanese universities currently listed, and doesn't seem to so beyond national importance (aside from some international partnerships), whereas Sorbonne is one of the oldest universities in Europe with significant and long-lasting historical importance.

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  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support swap Makkool (talk) 22:51, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Language removals

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Remove Tolai language  5

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Don't see why this is elevated above other Papua New Guinean languages, other than the fact that most of them have even fewer speakers. We already list Tok Pisin  5 and Hiri Motu  5.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 18:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 22:51, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:09, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Manx language  5

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The least relevant of the living Celtic languages, this is the traditional language of an island that only has a population of around 80k from the outset and has only seen a small revival in recent decades - its highly doubtful a language of this size would make it on to the list if it wasn't European.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 18:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Scottish Gaelic is also quite dead expect for the Hebrides. Sahaib (talk) 18:11, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:09, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Garter

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I think this belongs at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Everyday_life#Accessories.

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Query regarding authorship limitations

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At Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Arts#Specific_works_of_visual_art, I was under the impression that there is a limit to two works by any given artist. Is this a general understanding? Michelangelo has at least three just looking under Sistine Chapel.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:36, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification, I only mean to include [[4]] not the sculptures, which increases his count and probably others. I do realize that he is one of 6 VA3 artist, but I am trying to get an understanding of allocation priority.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:50, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Elfquest to Arts -> Comics

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I'm moving this here from the main Lv5 page for the nominator. I've included the original thread as a subtopic. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 14:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. Explicit vote for nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 14:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. I think the concept of a comic can be understood by... just the article for a Comic book  4. I'm just not convinced about the vitality of this one. Article doesn't do it much favors, either. λ NegativeMP1 18:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Significant comic book to indie publishing and storytelling-wise, but still more of a cult classic than an example of most vital comics of all time Makkool (talk) 19:08, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Turn Elfquest into a Level-5 Vital Article in the comics subcategory of the Arts category

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I think Elfquest is critical to understanding comics. Many comics owe much to it. I also think it should be placed in the Comic books and graphic novels section. 45.224.134.194 (talk) 10:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, and welcome to WP:VA5. Just to give you a heads-up, because of the list size at Level 5, we handle nominations for specific articles on categorized sub-pages.
Artistic works are currently managed under the "Society" subpage so I'll move this proposal there. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 13:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Zar2gar1 (talk) 14:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Football and Gridiron football

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With Table football  5, Football (ball)  5, Ball (association football)  5, American football  4, College football  5, Arena football  5, Association football  3, Women's association football  5, Australian rules football  4, Canadian football  5, Gaelic football  5, and Rugby football  4, we should have some more general listings.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Homeschooling

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Seems as important to me as Remote work  5.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Very important, could even potentially make VA4 in my opinion. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:44, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Conservation and restoration of cultural property

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Seems on par with Ecological restoration  5.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I had this on my mind as an addition proposal but forgot.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 16:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add University of Texas System

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Although we are trying to trim Universities and University systems, this one is up there among the elites. Maybe we can trim California's entries from 3 (Claremont Colleges  5, University of California  5 and California State University  5) to 1 and add this one.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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I would support a swap with this and University of Texas at Austin  5. I would also like to see Texas A&M University  5 taken down as well as the ones you mention, but a clean swap with UT Austin and the UT system seems logical. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why does University of California  5 get University of California, Berkeley  4 and University of California, Los Angeles  5 and University of Texas System gets no children?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can support -A&M-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:29, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You're asking the wrong person, I think Universities are over represented. You can look up above and see I nominated many for removal. If you want to try to nominate taking the California ones down, I'd support it. I don't consider college sports (or sports in general) vital, and think that the United States should probably be limited to 20 or fewer schools/University systems based exclusively on how internationally recognizable they are for academics/research. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:28, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Life expectancy

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How is this not added to level 4 yet?

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  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:01, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove some American TV shows

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King of the Hill  5

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While some may say it is one of the greatest animes of all time, I think that King of the Hill might not be the most vital TV show to include in terms of influence on other shows and overall impact.

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  1. AS nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. It's popular, but it is just one of many more marginally-popular animated sitcoms. λ NegativeMP1 06:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above Makkool (talk) 12:52, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. This one probably can go despite the acclaim.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 16:59, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Hard to justify having so many TV shows when there's so much basic, universal stuff that keeps getting proposed. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:12, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  6. -1ctinus📝🗨 13:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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WWE Raw  5

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Don't think this is vital.

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  1. AS nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. It's enough we list WWE  5 Makkool (talk) 12:52, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Probably too much overlap with WWE per Makkool.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 17:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:12, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. WWE  5 is enough. Kevinishere15 (talk) 00:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The Powerpuff Girls  5

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There are several great cartoons from that time period. Including this one makes me want to add like 10 more that might also be "vital," and I don't necessarily think this is more vital then any of them.

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  1. AS nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. It was definitely a popular kids cartoon, but it more or less just amounts to a cult following and not much else. And as the nom says, there are several other cartoons from that time that are equally as important as it, but equally not super important. For instance, why list this over a show like The Fairly OddParents? Not advocating for the latters vitality, by the way. λ NegativeMP1 06:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per the above points, many shows listed on List of multimedia franchises originating in television series have similar levels of vitalness such as The Loud House, The Amazing World of Gumball, Ben 10, Ed, Edd n Eddy, Winx Club, etc. Sahaib (talk) 06:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 12:52, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:12, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Definitely had a lot more popularity and influence than many of the others it seems to be getting compared to here (like The Loud House?), not to mention the reboots showing it as enduring Iostn (talk) 00:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak oppose per Iost. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak oppose from me too. More pageviews anyway than any of the other cartoons mentioned.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Ally McBeal  5

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It was a popular show, but I don't think it rises to the level of vital.

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  1. AS nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 06:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Sahaib (talk) 06:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 12:52, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:12, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The Ren & Stimpy Show  5

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This is an interesting one. The show was certainly influential, but I'm not sure if it is really vital compared to many others we don't include.

Support
  1. AS nomGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Most likely influential to animation, but less so to TV in general Makkool (talk) 12:52, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:12, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. -1ctinus📝🗨 13:51, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Haven't seen it but seems influential enough that I'd rather look for other removals first.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 13:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak oppose. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Other arts institutions

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If we could get rid of half of the pedestrian colleges and broaden the types of institutions that we list, that would be great.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Las Ventas

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Teatro Real

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add La Scala

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add La Fenice

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add The Culinary Institute of America

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Le Cordon Bleu

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Bolshoi Ballet

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add School of American Ballet

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add American Ballet Theatre

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Paris Opera Ballet

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add The Royal Ballet

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. I nominated several colleges/universities to be removed a while back (I think this might still be open for some of them), and definitly support the removal of more. I encourage you to nominate "pedestrian colleges" for removal, I'd likely support that out of hand as I suspect some of these might be included because people associated with the schools pushed a bit. That said, I don't actually know about most of these, which is my ignorance, not to say they AREN'T vital, so would need some brief rational to vote one way or the other. I voted on the ones I've heard of personally. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add James Beard Foundation Award

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  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Rationale please? From all I'm interpreting right now, it appears to just be a regular culinary award. And I'm not sure how truly important it is given it only has two interwikis. λ NegativeMP1 09:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    1. Twenty years ago, restaurant goers use to discuss Zagat to compare venues. Now, people refer to Michelin Guide  5 and Beard Awards. I was just going by feel. I understand 2 interwikis is very low.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:11, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Self-governance

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A form of government without foreign interference.

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  1. Interstellarity (talk) 02:27, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Swap Sanctity of life for Immortality

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Immortality has a lot more language links and gets over 8x as many pageviews. It is also covered in more religions.

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  1. As nom. Sahaib (talk) 12:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Everything

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Opposite of Nothing  5, it is an important concept which should theoretically be level 1, but probably won't be.

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  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Life  1, the Universe  2, and Everything are the big three. I agree it belongs on a level beyond level 5. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Something (concept)

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Another related concept related to Everything and Nothing.

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  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. This might be approaching dictionary levels, but honestly I think that something is more vital then a lot of the stuff we include so sure. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Parent–teacher conference  5

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This is listed under the Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Culture section for "Communication" and "Meetings." It seems more specific then the others listed, such as Academic conference  5 and Symposium  5, and I think it can be trimmed out. I just don't think it is a particularly vital article.

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  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Dune (franchise)

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To quote the articles lede "Dune is frequently described as the best-selling science fiction novel in history. It won the inaugural Nebula Award for Best Novel and the Hugo Award in 1966 and was later adapted into a 1984 film, a 2000 television miniseries, and a two-part film series with the first film in 2021 and a sequel in 2024. Dune has also inspired tabletop games and a series of video games. Since 2009, the names of planets from the Dune novels have been adopted for the real-world nomenclature of plains and other features on Saturn's moon Titan." The first book in the series Dune (novel)  5 is level 5 already, and there is a lot of additional content including the recent Dune (2021 film).

This franchise has had a lot of impacts on science fiction as a whole, as can be seen in a USA today Article titled 'Star Wars' Day is sign of franchise's mass appeal. It owes a lot to Frank Herbert's 'Dune'. I personally think this is one of the most vital franchises to understand the development of modern science fiction, and that it is vital.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 08:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I'd rather support this than Paul Atreides. The franchise includes the Dune II game too which was listed on VA5 for some time.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Yeah, I definitely agree with listing the franchise. Still disagree with Atreides though. λ NegativeMP1 08:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Agree, its vitalness will likely be increased when more films are released. Sahaib (talk) 15:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 08:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Swap University of Alabama  5 with Alabama Crimson Tide football

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In a previous, now closed, discussion above that was part of "Trim Academic Institutions" an editor proposed swapping the University of Alabama with Alabama Crimson Tide Football. I'm not really a football fan as many probably have learned in the past few days, but if the football program is what makes the school more vital then other state universities, then we should be more specific. My main issue is I don't think University of Alabama is more vital then a school like University of Tennessee, but don't think that school should be included either. @QuicoleJR, I believe you had stronger opinions and more knowledge about this then me based on our discussion above so I hope you can weigh in here.

Support
  1. soft support as nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. The school is very well known in the US specifically for the football team, I also believe we list an Alabama coach. Kevinishere15 (talk) 08:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove some Star Wars topics

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Above we are discussing adding Dune (franchise) and Paul Atreides (the main character from the first several Dune books). Based on this conversation, I think we can remove some Star Wars related links. The page for the franchise is level 4, Star Wars  4, but we also include all the films in the original trilogy, and several other pages. I propose trimming this a bit to make room for future additions, as we don't need to list every part of the franchise to capture the topic in the list. I would not want to remove the page for the original film Star Wars (film)  5, but as this franchise is likely to grow in movies over time, listing all of them seems unnecessary.

Remove Music of Star Wars  5

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This one I'm torn on but figured I'd put up. The Star Wars soundtrack is iconic, but with inclusion of the entire franchise, is the soundtrack itself what stands out, or is it iconic because it's associated with Star Wars? I lean towards thinking it is iconic because it's the soundtrack of Star Wars, and not vital in it's own right.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support. I don't really think it's iconic or influential enough outside of the franchise. λ NegativeMP1 19:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak support. I definitely agree, that we list too much Star Wars related stuff. IMHO, we should give only 2 or 3 articles max to any franchise. Weak support only though, as I think the Jaws soundtrack has a stronger claim to be cut. Makkool (talk) 20:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Jaws (soundtrack)  5 is a better removal. Star Wars  4 is one of the very few franchises big enough where I don't mind the overlap.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 21:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. If we're listing movie scores, we should list this. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove The Empire Strikes Back  5

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Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. At the very least, I think the original trilogy should be kept. Even as someone who doesn't know much about Star Wars, I know that the original trilogy are frequently considered some of the greatest films ever made. Additionally, it has it's own legacy section that demonstrates how it influenced culture and filmmaking. I think this one is good to stay. λ NegativeMP1 19:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. One of best sci-fi movies, and films in general, of all-time. Makkool (talk) 20:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 21:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per MP1. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:03, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Return of the Jedi  5

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Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, not as vital than the other two parts of the original trilogy. Makkool (talk) 20:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Not as influential or popular as the first two, I also feel I should support removing something since I opposed removing everything else. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. At the very least, I would like to see the original trilogy kept. Even as someone who doesn't know much about Star Wars, I know that the original trilogy are frequently considered some of the greatest films ever made. I will admit I think this one has a weaker case to be kept than TESB, though. λ NegativeMP1 19:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Even if it's considered weakest of the three I think the whole original trilogy is fine to keep, at least for now.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 21:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Darth Vader  5 OR Luke Skywalker  5

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I was hesitant to include this one, but decided to after looking at the list on Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Arts for mass media characters I thought it was a good idea. It looks like there is no franchise with more then one character represented, and if so I missed it and apologize. As the first movie and the whole franchise are included, I think we can safely limit the list to only one character and have coverage. We include Luke Skywalker  5 in the list, and I think he is the more vital of the characters, so I'd advocate we remove Darth Vader. I can see an argument for Vader being more iconic though, so would not oppose keeping him instead of Luke. If we do keep Vader, I suggest finding a new section for the character besides "heros." Please review the list of Characters to see how thin it is before making a snap judgment to oppose both, there are ALOT of characters from other series we could make room for.

Support remove Darth Vader
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose remove Darth Vader
  1. He's more iconic.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 21:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Do you support removing Luke then? GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Probably the most iconic/famous movie villain. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:02, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support remove Luke Skywalker
  1. Cut the less iconic one Makkool (talk) 20:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose remove Luke Skywalker
  1. Iconic protagonist, I'd be okay with removing him to keep Vader though, if it came down to that. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add some Halo topics

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We include the francise for Halo (franchise)  5, but I think that can be expanded a bit based on what I've seen on the lists after looking at the Star Wars articles. I think we can add the first entry in the franchise, Halo: Combat Evolved, the soundtrack, and the main character.

Add Halo: Combat Evolved

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This is the first game in the series, not the first piece of media Halo: The Fall of Reach, but the franchise is more known for the games then the books. As other media includes both the umbrella franchise and the first piece of successful media, I think this would be a good inclusion. Halo: Combat Evolved sold fairly well, and had widespread influence on future first person shooter games.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support. I've kinda shifted over my stance on having less vital video games since my mass removals last year, but I think those removals can allow us to list more historically important video games like this. I'd also like to see Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare listed, but that would be a way harder game to justify adding due to the article lacking a detailed legacy section. λ NegativeMP1 19:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support only swap with Halo (franchise)  5 Makkool (talk) 20:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Oppose plain add, support swap with Halo (franchise)  5 (I've preferred having specific video games rather than franchises) Makkool (talk) 20:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. We need less video game subentries, not more. I'd rather diversify the list with whole franchises like Ace Attorney and Prince of Persia than increase the coverage of those already there.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 20:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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@LaukkuTheGreit: To start a semi-off topic discussion based on your oppose, while I would definitely support adding the franchises you've mentioned, I would argue that all of the video game sub-entries we currently list are worthy of being included here, and I do not think we need less. All of the franchises that have sub-entries are among the most important to video games, and listing their most important games may often times be essential to understanding video game history. For example, I cannot imagine listing The Legend of Zelda  5 without The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time  5, or Super Mario without Super Mario Bros. (1985 video game). I do not think we should be removing any subentries because of that. And with all of that being said, you could definitely make a case that Halo is a franchise that warrants a sub-entry on this list. λ NegativeMP1 21:12, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Master Chief (Halo)

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I'll just quote the articles section on Cultural impact: "Master Chief has been described as "iconic" in multiple media outlets, including IGN, Kotaku, Glixel, GamesRadar, and The Sydney Morning Herald. The character has appeared on lists of the best video gaming characters by UGO, Empire, GamesRadar, Guinness World Records Gamer's Edition, Complex, and Time. IGN speculated that the dramatic death of the character would become one of the most powerful events in gaming. Voice actor Steve Downes realized the character was such a huge hit only after children lined up around the block for his autograph a year after the first game shipped. In 2024, a poll conducted by BAFTA with around 4,000 respondents named Master Chief as the eighth most iconic video-game character of all time."

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I've thought for a while that if I ever proposed another video game character be added to this list, it would probably be Master Chief or Link (The Legend of Zelda). But I think Chief makes a stronger case than him. λ NegativeMP1 19:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Recentism. Only 20+ years old franchise. There must be more iconic video game characters that we don't list yet. Makkool (talk) 20:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    20+ years is more than enough when the history of video games in public consciousness is only about 45 years. Especially when a character has reached cultural consciousness like this. And no, I've checked this a lot before, there are very few more iconic video game characters we could add besides maybe Link (as aforementioned) and Pac-Man (character). Everyone else that could be arguably added (like Bowser) has been removed in the past. Additionally, I'd like to see a video game character listed from a more mature series. λ NegativeMP1 20:15, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Link and Pac-Man were my first thoughts also. Maybe Larry Laffer for a more mature character. Yeah, 20 years is a lot for video games. But I like to think characters as part of pop culture rather than part of the video games topic, and for that 20 years is too close to the present. Makkool (talk) 20:30, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I think it's better to first prioritise widespread archetypes such as Damsel in distress and Sidekick instead of additional specific characters.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 21:03, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't see what would stop us from adding those archetypes alongside a few other specific characters. Especially the ones me and Makkool mentioned, which are among the most recognizable characters in pop culture overall. I might make the proposals to add those archetypes alongside separate proposals for Pac-Man and Link, but I'm not sure just yet. λ NegativeMP1 21:15, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    We already list Lara Croft for a character from a more mature series. Kevinishere15 (talk) 22:59, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I think fictional characters should be trimmed a bit instead.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 20:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Someone said before that the five video game characters we list are pretty much the perfect five and I agree, with that said, If we were to add another game character, it would probably be him. Kevinishere15 (talk) 22:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Halo Original Soundtrack

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Looking at the section of "soundtracks" under Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Arts, we have 11 articles and only include one video game soundtrack (Super Mario Bros. theme  5) as far as I can tell. Halo has a pretty iconic soundtrack (if you haven't heard it or played the game, I recommend checking out the "theme song" here).

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. The next VGM topic to add would be Music of Final Fantasy (removed without discussion in VA5's BRD era). In addition to the vitality claims in that article, there's at least one book analysing the music, and this book for example has sections discussing at length the process of Uematsu being canonised in the context of VGM.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 19:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. For the same reasons I think the Music of Star Wars can be removed, I'm not sure if it's too recognizable or influential outside of the franchise. I also agree with Laukku's opinion that the Music of Final Fantasy should be added first, and I also think maybe even Music of Minecraft could be added. λ NegativeMP1 19:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Recentism. Only 20+ years old franchise. Makkool (talk) 20:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per above. If we're adding more video game music, there's plenty that should be added before Halo, like the already mentioned Music of Final Fantasy or Music of Minecraft. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Jaws (soundtrack)  5

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Has a very low view count compared to other popular music works we have. I think it's better to have articles like Music of Star Wars  5 rather than articles of individual soundtrack albums. It's the music that can be vital, not the LP.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I cannot think of a singular reason why this should be here. λ NegativeMP1 21:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Agreed. Sahaib (talk) 21:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. It is a very iconic theme, but probably not vital. Kevinishere15 (talk) 22:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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