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Sockpuppet investigations has been changed to use a new status template and is no longer using code letters. Twinkle should be updated to reflect this. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 23:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Done about an hour after this posting by yours truly. T. Canens (talk) 05:10, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Pop-up windows

I was never notified by the browser when it blocked pop-up windows to talk page editing when reverting vandalism, good faith edits and other sort of edits. Please add that feature to Twinkle! Possibly open it in a new tab instead? Thanks, /Hey Mid (contributions) 09:04, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

You can set Twinkle to open that stuff in tabs, I believe, by adding the following code in your monobook.js (or vector.js) after the import script:

if( typeof( TwinkleConfig ) == 'undefined' ) TwinkleConfig = {}; // DO NOT REMOVE THIS LINE - ALL TWINKLE SETTINGS AFTER THIS
TwinkleConfig.userTalkPageMode = 'tab';

Which I have done in my monobook. Also, you can set your browser to allow popups from Wikipedia, which should not give you any popups normally. --Fiftytwo thirty (talk) 15:35, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

That worked! Also, I was wondering why there is no pop-up message telling me I have pop-ups disabled or blocked? That would be a pretty nice feature to for notifying users! Thanks, /Hey Mid (contributions) 12:46, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Remove the auto-period in the edit summary

After reverting an edit, I always fill out the edit summary in the box. But why does Twinkle add its own period at the end of my sentence? Aren't editors capable of determining if they want a period at the end of their sentence or not? It just makes me look like I'm a typo master, since nearly all of my summaries end with ".."; that is, unless I remember to not add a period at the end of my sentence, but that gets downright silly. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 14:27, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

The change is probably very simple to implement, so it comes down to the humans: Do we want to get rid of the period? I personally don't care just as long as it's communicated that the period is going away if we go with that. SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:05, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I figured it would be super simple to remove, but I hope enough people comment one way or another. I prefer my edit summaries to not have auto-characters of any kind appearing, no matter how helpful the intention is. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 05:15, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Somewhat related to this request is the auto-period added to AIV and UAA reports. Unless an editor is conscious of the period, he will almost always insert one himself. See, for example OliverTwisted's report at AIV and N419BH's post at UAA. Personally I usually use a period in the textbox, which produces the double period, and I wouldn't mind seeing this fixed. Them From Space 05:22, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

This "auto period" is sort of annoying for me as well, as sometimes I want to use an exclamation or a question mark (here's a recent diff), not to mention the inevitable double period. --Fiftytwo thirty (talk) 16:42, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

CSD tagging of articles with *

is not working. Two examples include * Shah Zaman Colony and *Zeeshan Sabir. Can this be fixed? Airplaneman ✈ 19:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I tested on * Shah Zaman Colony, and here's what I came up with:

When tagging for CSD like a regular user using TW, it hangs up on "data loaded" and never goes to all-clear. The edit is not made.
When speedy-deleting as an admin using TW, it likewise hangs up at "data loaded". The title is not deleted. I had to use MediaWiki's regular deletion function to delete the title.

Thus it would appear that the problem is with the asterisk. The asterisk at the beginning of a title seems to cause Twinkle to hang up. SchuminWeb (Talk) 21:24, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Blacklist/codingphobia

I just added a user to the blacklist who has been misusing Twinkle quite badly the last day or two. Pages like that blacklist page that are full of technical code and so forth scare the hell out of me, especially when there is a big warning that the tiniest mistake will mess up Twinkle for everyone who uses it. I'm pretty sure I did it right, it actually didn't seem that complicated despite all the warnings, but I would appreciate it if someone could double check. Thanks. Beeblebrox (talk) 08:45, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

When in doubt just bypass your browser cache after your change and check whether Twinkle still adds its tabs. Amalthea 10:12, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Ahhh. Will do. Thanks for the tip! Beeblebrox (talk) 04:09, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Spamfilter preventing me from reverting

I am unable to revert any edit in No Line on the Horizon with TW, due to a spamfilter being triggered. Am I forced to click on the revert button in the version history in order to save the version? /Hey Mid (contributions) 21:53, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Unable to rollback at Hannah Montana (season 4)

Resolved

I'm unable to rollback at Hannah Montana (season 4). I previously had this problem at Hannah Montana (season 3) and the problem was a mismatched <span> tag in {{Future episodes editnotice}}.[1] I don't think that's the issue now but there have been recent edits to {{Future episodes editnotice}}[2] and the rollback feature was working at Hannah Montana (season 4) until around that time. --AussieLegend (talk) 00:17, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

This seems to be less of a Twinkle issue than it does a template issue, since you have indicated that the problem lies in the template. Have you brought the issue up at Template talk:Future episodes editnotice? SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:40, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether this latest problem actually is a template issue, I only suspect that's the case. --AussieLegend (talk) 02:45, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

It sounds to be the case, so I'd recommend bringing it up on the template page and referencing the fact that it causes Twinkle to hang up. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:47, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

After a bit of research it appears that this problem was caused by a missing </span> tag at the template so I'll raise the issue there as suggested. Thanks for your time. --AussieLegend2 (talk) 03:57, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Problem with MfD

Please see this edit. Twinkle was making an incorrect header for MfDs and failed to recognise that there was already a header. Please fix that. Thanks. Kayau Voting IS evil 11:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Template:Prod

Just to let you know that I have made some changes, hopefully uncontroversial, to Template:Prod. The main difference is that the separate parameters for time/day/month/year are now not used. I doubt this will affect Twinkle but am notifying just in case. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Problem with the TFD

Hello, I guess my TW has a problem on XFD menu, specifically on the TFD option. So the usual TW function goes on, but when I click submit, it just add the deletion template on the page concerned and adds edit summary that "Nominated for deletion [...]". But it does not add the TFD to the discussion list nor notifies the creator that the template is under TFD.--JL 09 ^_{q?_c} 17:10, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

I've had a similiar problem, but with AFD:s. I think the problem was that I had checked the "Wrap <noinclude>" box. All I got was the tag on the article, but nothing in the WP:AFD log had been submitted. After unchecking that box and trying again, it worked! But, unfortunately, you can't check that box with TFD, so this is not a related problem... /Hey Mid (contributions) 23:31, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Could a Twinkle coding expert explain what is up here to me?

User:Thehelpinghand/morebits.js

User is blacklisted from using Twinkle. I suspect this is some sort of attempt to end-run that decision but I'm really not sure. If anyone can tell what it is they are doing please let me know. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:59, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Looks like an attempt to bypass the blacklist. The file is identical to User:AzaToth/morebits.js, except he's removed himself from the blacklist. Currently, it isn't functional, and I won't say what he would have to do to get it functional, because that would be WP:BEANS. - EdoDodo ^talk 02:35, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, that's what I figured, and I also found User:Thehelpinghand/twinkle which was a more obvious attempt.

User(s) blocked.. Beeblebrox (talk) 05:34, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm just curious.... Since User:AzaToth/morebits.js is also used by Friendly, is a user who is blacklisted from Twinkle also prevented from using Friendly? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:50, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Seems like it, the blacklist is in User:AzaToth/morebits.js, so unless a copy of that is made with a separate blacklist for Friendly (or some smart system involving separate pages is set up), then yes, a user would be blacklsited for both. - EdoDodo ^talk 23:11, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

FurMe as well. Any tool that uses Morebits.js as its engine will cause a user who is blacklisted from Twinkle to be blacklisted there as well. SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:09, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

MfD bug

I submitted a subpage to MfD just a minute ago and twinkle created a malformed section head. Have a look [3]. The section head for today already existed, but in the "August 11, 2010" format as opposed to the numerical format. Burpelson AFB (talk) 21:39, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

How to use Twinkle?

I recently started using Twinkle. Please correct any mistakes I do... what do I do in order to be "Good" with the tool? AboundingHinata talk 21:32, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

aniston

Hi, I don't know about row span but the edits worked and added the content correctly, and is now gone, how is it wrong and I woill correct it? Off2riorob (talk) 01:26, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

CSD#F9

The F9 CSD "help me" box in Twinkle states "and the uploader does not assert that it is public domain, freely licensed, fair use, or used with permission." But WP:CSD#F9 clearly states F9 only applies to "Images (or other media files) that are claimed by the uploader to be images with free licenses when this is obviously not the case." This is not a subtle difference [4]. Can someone fix it pleeease? Magog the Ogre (talk) 01:55, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Done. Refresh your cache and it should now read, "...asserts that it is public domain..." SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:26, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

{{Uw-spoiler}} edit summary

Currently the summary for {{Uw-spoiler}} reads: Notice: Don't remove spoiler alerts on Article, this is incorrect. It should be Notice: Don't remove spoilers on Article, or Notice: Don't add spoiler alerts on Article, or combination thereof. Currently the edit summary says the opposite of what the warning conveys, which is don't remove spoilers and add spoiler warnings. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 15:03, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Changed to "Notice: Don't remove spoilers or add spoiler alerts on Article". Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 15:05, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 18:30, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Detection of later sections

Currently when you warn someone and the talk page already has a section named Current month and year, Twinkle doesn't create a new section header. When there are later sections this causes a problem, Twinkle just adds the notice at the end of the page, in the section at the bottom. Example: User talk:TyDwiki, the notice was added under #One Tree Hill - Season 8, which creates a wrong impression that the notice is about that topic. The notice should be placed under #August 2010, or possibly a new section should be created, I would use the same section. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 18:30, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Force a new tab

Is there a code I can put in, in order to force a new tab every time? Because sometimes it just refreshes an existing tab. I would always like a new tab. /Hey Mid (contributions) 15:07, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey? /Hey Mid (contributions) 18:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Big update to twinklewarn.js

I just posted a big update to twinklewarn.js, including some new templates and features that haven't been included before. Let me know if you encounter any problems! Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 18:31, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Where's the schoolblock template?

School's started, and the template seems to have disappeared (or my eyesight's really getting worse - is it just moved up? which would be good). Dougweller (talk) 19:24, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

It, along with {{anonblock}}, have been removed with the last template update a few days ago, since they're not part of the user warnings series of block templates. {{uw-ablock}} is still available near the top of the list, though. Perhaps it's time to make a version of {{schoolblock}} that's compatible with the user warnings series guidelines so that it can be integrated better. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 19:30, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

That would really be appreciated. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 19:33, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

So the template here Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace/Blocks is not compatible with our guidelines? Is that true of any of the others? Dougweller (talk) 19:36, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Anything that doesn't fit within the "uw-" series of warnings takes a bunch of customized code in Twinkle to implement. Everything in the user warnings series takes the same parameters, making it easy for Twinkle to support them. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 19:39, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

OK, I understand now, thanks. Dougweller (talk) 19:45, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Template:You've got mail

Is it possible to include the {{You've got mail}} template in Friendly? /Hey Mid (contributions) 13:52, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll see about adding it to the talkback feature today. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 13:59, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Tabs- full listing?

On the config example page for freindlytabs, it tells you to put in a pair of id (ca-nstab-special) and name (Special). However, is there a full listing of these "tab id's" available? Not every tab is in the example.— Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 22:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Deceptive edit summaries

Any chance of adding {{subst:uw-wrongsummary}}? I found someone recently reverting (or adding, can't remember which) 13k of article with the edit summary 'typo'. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 07:52, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

{{uw-wrongsummary}} is already available in the "Single issue warnings" section. It's last in the list. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 13:08, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

The last one I have is uw-warning vandals. Dougweller (talk) 13:11, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

{{Uw-warn}} is the last in "Single issue notices" the last one in "Single issue warnings" is {{Uw-wrongsummary}}. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 13:29, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, what was I thinking? Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 17:56, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Requesting

Excuse me, I recently installed Twinkle on my account, but I don't know what button to press or what thing to press on the internet to revert vandalism. Can somebody help me? Pepperman 16:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

In the article's history open the diff. You should see the differences between versions (the two columns) in red. Be aware that in the meantime (i.e. while the database is serving your request) another editor already may have reverted the edit - or the same one is continuing vandalizing. So look at the right column, whether there is an arrow pointing to "next edit". If no, you can either click on "rollback" (which reverts to the last version and opens a popup for an - optional - comment), or click on "rollback (VANDAL)". This version will open the talk page of the last editor, where you can leave a comment. When the talk page is open, scroll up until you see the "TW" tab. Select "Warn". In the popup you will see a selection of possible messages. Check that you use the right level, e.g. if there's already a level 1 warning, issue a level 2. If the diff covers more than one edit (i.e. there are intermediate versions you want to revert also), there's no "rollback" in the right column - use "restore this version" in the left column instead. If you don't want your watchlist to fill up, deselect the article (and optionally the user's talk page) from being watched. →Alfie^±Talk 17:20, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Incapable of posting on certain pages

Resolved

For some reason I'm incapable of using Twinkle to warn the user on User talk:ChaosMaster16. It keeps hanging on "User talk page modification: data loaded…". Most likely some type of conflict with the page makeup. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 23:40, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

What warning are you trying to place, for what article? I'll try and place it and see what I get. SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:50, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I was trying to add {{Uw-copyright}} for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (film). But I got the same result when I tried to place other warnings ({{Uw-3rr}}) some time ago, I did it manually back then, thinking it was some type of error, but it still happens, only on that page. I can add warnings fine on other user talks. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 06:19, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Same result for me, too. I couldn't find anything offhand that would cause it to break, however. SchuminWeb (Talk) 11:25, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Non-well-formed XML in the editnotice. T. Canens (talk) 12:12, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Working now, thanks to Mr. Song. [5] Beeblebrox (talk) 20:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Error message when requesting speedy deletion U1 without rationale

Resolved

– Fixed

When I request U1 speedy deletion without rationale (no text in the rationale box appearing), I get the error message "Aborted by user". I didn't abort it. I didn't click cancel, I clicked on "OK". When this error message appears, as far as I know, I have the "Notify if possible" checkbox disabled. When I requested U1 speedy deletion, I did it on under-pages in my User_talk namespace. This means I have to write a rationale in order to successfully tag my pages for U1 speedy deletion. This is weird. What could be the problem? /Hey Mid (contributions) 17:45, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Not sure what the actual problem might be, but if you just manually slap {{db-u1}} an admin will delete the pages for you. You could also just add "delete" to the rationale box, that would probably solve it. I just tested this at User talk:Sandbox for user warnings and it will tag it if you just put something in the rationale dialog box, but I got the same result as you when leaving it blank, it seems like it may be deliberate. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:37, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it's weird. But it may be related to the RFPP issue. /Hey Mid (contributions) 17:22, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Y Done. Quite right, no reason to abort with an empty rationale. I'm surprised that twinkle asks for one in the first place, U1s by the owning users are usually uncontroversial, and the criteria for the deleting admin are quite clear cut anyway. Amalthea 17:33, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Frozen requests

Resolved

– Fixed

Is it just me or does twinkle freeze when you make a WP:RFPP request -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 | talk2me 20:27, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

It's not just you. I just tried to request it for this page and got hung up on "Requesting protection of page: data loaded..." This happened before but I can't remember what the solution was. For now you may have to add your request manually. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:40, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

No user in the world is (at the time of writing) currently able to make RFPP requests at ENWP using TW. As far as I know, this hasn't worked since a few weeks back (may be even more). No change in User:AzaToth/twinkleprotect.js though. We currently don't know anything, whether it is maintenance, a temporary issue with the WP servers or something else. /Hey Mid (contributions) 17:14, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Nah, only six days. Fixed. Amalthea 17:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Aren't six days much for a TW issue? I don't know whether it was a server issue or a module/js file that was the problem. And I believe it was on the (almost) exact minute as you tried that it was fixed. Works for me now too. :) /Hey Mid (contributions) 17:28, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Yea, work faster! What are we paying you for? Oh... right... Beeblebrox (talk) 17:39, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

New tab in SeaMonkey

SeaMonkey 2.0.7 (7 Sep 2010): In the default configuration the talk page is opened in a new window (larger than my standard viewport setting of 1024×768). Adding

if( typeof( TwinkleConfig ) == 'undefined' ) TwinkleConfig = {};

TwinkleConfig.userTalkPageMode = 'tab';

to my vector.js, the talk page is opened in my default viewport 1024×768, but still in a new window instead of a new tab. Any ideas – maybe SeaMonkey's settings? →Alfie ±Talk 10:27, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Update: Same behaviour in the current revision (2.0.8). Alfie ↑↓© 11:24, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Watchlist

Resolved

Hey, I was thinking that Twinkle automatically adds anything you revert, and anyone you warn to your watchlist. Is this right? Thanks! Endofskull (talk) 22:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that's correct. Any other settings in your perferences are overruled (My preferences > Watchlist : [ ] Add pages I edit to my watchlist [ ] Add pages I create to my watchlist). If you don't want to watch these edits, see WP:Twinkle/doc#Custom Configuration. In your actual skin, edit Custom JS and add:

if( typeof( TwinkleConfig ) == 'undefined' ) TwinkleConfig = {};
TwinkleConfig.watchRevertedPages =    []; // don't watch reverted articles
TwinkleConfig.watchWarnings      = false; // don't watch user's talk pages

Alfie ↑↓© 23:58, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Wow, thanks! That's exactly what I was looking for. Endofskull (talk) 02:17, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

BLPPROD

Resolved

Should you know about this change to {{prod blp}}? Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:03, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Usage of the template appears to be unchanged, so Twinkle should be happy with it. Thanks for the note! Amalthea 09:56, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Unlink

Resolved

Is there a reason Unlink stopped working for me? Whenever I try to unlink, it only offers a blank box. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 21:43, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Server issue, resolved now. Amalthea 09:56, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Twinkle-back?

Resolved

I get a lot of messages on my talk page that are essentially form letters. Often these are posted on topics that I would rather not know about. I would like it if there was an opt-out link that stopped messages from being posted through this tool. Perhaps I could put a "no-twinkle" at the top of the page or something similar?

Another possibility, or perhaps addition, would be a mechanism similar to the one that puts a message at the top of my page. If someone was using Twinkle to post a form letter, it would pop up a message to that user with my text.

Thanks!

Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:43, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I just looked at the last 100 edits to your talk page, which go back about six months, and I didn't see any edits made with Twinkle. It always leaves (TW) in the edit summary. In any event, all notices posted by Twinkle have a human behind them who made the decision to specifically post a message to your talk page, so it is really no different than if a user manually added a template. You are free to remove any such message from your talk page at your discretion, but I don't think it is technically possible or desirable to block Twinkle from a specific user talk page. If you are getting irrelevant messages, contact the user who is posting them and ask them to desist. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:49, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

OK, I guess I was sent here by mistake. I'll keep an eye out for the TW from now on. Is there some similar tool that people might be using to auto-post on my page? Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:54, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

From what I see those are bot edits informing you of things. Type at the top of the page {{nobots}}. This will prohibit all compliant bots from editing your talk page. This includes signbot and the cluebots. --Alpha Quadrant ^talk 23:50, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Cool, thanks! Maury Markowitz (talk) 00:41, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Not loading

Resolved

How come when I try to revert something using the blue rollback button, it just stops? Thanks! Endofskull (talk) 21:57, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Twinkle seems to be down right now. None of the features are working for me. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 22:02, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Alright. I'm really needing it right now. So does anyone know why it's not working? Endofskull (talk) 22:04, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

I just tried to tag two pages for speedy deletion, and Twinkle said (After a period of not doing anything "This page does not exist, perhaps it has been deleted" even though the page remained there. Please try to get this fixed, NPP is already getting backlogged. --Fiftytwo thirty (talk) 22:50, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Glad to see I'm not the only one getting this problem. Anyone have any idea how long this is going to last? Arv, XfD, and warn options still seem to work, but I'm having issues using csd. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 23:51, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Lucky you! Nothing is working over here. ;-) Sometimes "loading" for ages, sometimes just the heading and the footer of the article - rarely I get the pop-up, but the article isn't reverted anyhow. Only "undo" is working - but I don't need Twinkle for that, could simply revert from the history as well. Alfie ↑↓© 00:06, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Here's the official bug report. I really am lost without Twinkle! I put a note on WP:AN about this (Fairly Major) failure. --Fiftytwo thirty (talk) 00:34, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Just CSD'ed a broken redirect file and reported an IP at AIV and it worked fine. — Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 01:12, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed, Up again for about 30 min now. Alfie ↑↓© 01:33, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Down again. ℳono 23:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: icon change for user-page warnings

There's been some discussion at various place about changing the user-page warnings from this: to this: for speedies, with a related but not necessarily identical icon for PROD and XfD. The discussion is here: Template talk:AfD-notice#CENTRALIZED DISCUSSION - Replacing icon (File:Ambox warning pn.svg)

It looks we're going to try this, probably (you're welcome to join the discussion, which has been open awhile). My question is, if and when this is done, how (technically) is it done? The user-page-warning templates seem a confusing jungle to me, with some showing Ambox_warning.pn, some showing no image, and some showing what looks to me to be broken code. What's the deal? Herostratus (talk) 19:06, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

MFD

Resolved

For God's sake, fix how this thing does the stupid MFDs already. It's still using a 2010-09-24 format instead of September 24, 2010 for the headers. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 02:36, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

For God's sake, I'm neither a mind reader nor omnipresent, if you notice something's broken then come here and bring it up, preferably in a friendly manner and not like an ass. Fixed. See how easy that could have been? Amalthea 10:37, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Twinkle: too functional?

Discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#A deliberate "governor" on nominating articles for deletion, not really rising to the level of being taken futher, but of philosphical interest. --Herostratus (talk • contribs) 12:29, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Anyone else having issues with Twinkle not appearing?

Resolved

Is anyone else having an issue with Twinkle not appearing in the top section of tabs of your browser? Twinkle only appears about half the time for me... This is a fairly recent problem; previously I'd been using it without a single hitch. It's really starting to bug me because I have to reload the page once or twice to get Twinkle to appear sometimes and it slows my editing down a lot. Since my browser hates me and is really slow to reload pages, it sometimes takes me up to seven minutes to get the page to show up with the twinkle in the tabs section. By that time, someone's usually already done whatever task I was going to complete. Is this happening to anyone else? It's driving me nuts... --- cymru lass ^{(hit me up)}⁄_{(background check)} 01:19, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Clear browser cache and cookies, restart your browser, then it should work fine. /Hey Mid (contributions) 17:51, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I tried that and it didn't work. I also tried it on a different browser. Is it possible the problem's with my computer and not Twinkle? I'm using both Safari and Firefox. --- cymru lass ^{(hit me up)}⁄_{(background check)} 18:05, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I am using Safari without any problems. This sometimes happens when your java cache may be full. Try emptying it. Personally I think it is too difficult and time consuming to do by hand, so I use a free program called Ccleaner to do it. The cleaning usually takes about five minutes, depending on how full it is. I hope this helps. --Alpha Quadrant ^talk 23:59, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

How do I clear my java cache without using a program? My computer is, well, childish and doesn't react well to the installation of new programs/ --- cymru lass ^{(hit me up)}⁄_{(background check)} 00:59, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

What is a java cache? If you just want to clear your Safari's cached pages (among them will be scripts) see WP:BYPASS#Safari. A one-time cache bypass is just as good though. Amalthea 08:55, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

It depends on what operating system you are using. The files are stored in different places for different operating systems. What OS do you have? Also Ccleaner is a single file program like huggle. When you install it all it is really doing is adding the executable file, a few language instructions (if the language folder is deleted the program Interface can only operate in English} and the uninstaller. It can actually be run from a flash drive, as it doesn't add anything to the windows registry. --Alpha Quadrant ^talk 01:26, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Running Windows XP. Still don't want to take my chances with installing something, my computer does some unexplainable things. --- cymru lass ^{(hit me up)}⁄_{(background check)} 01:35, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

There were some on-and-off server issues during the last weeks, but you continually have that problem, right? Two things you should do:

Have a look at WP:TW/DOC#Trouble
Could you try disabling the Twinkle gadget and using importScript("</nowiki>User:TheDJ/twinkle.js"); in your skin script. Remember to bypass your browser cache afterwards.

Amalthea 08:55, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

All right, I'll make sure to do that when I get home today! Thank you --- cymru lass ^{(hit me up)}⁄_{(background check)} 13:56, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I simplified this as much as possible. To empty the cache go to the Taskbar and click the Start button go up the menu to Settings --> Control Panel. On the left side menu click Switch to Classic View, the java control panel only appears in classic menu. Click on the Java icon. This opens the Java control panel. There is a section titled "Temporary Internet files" in the panel with a button that says Settings, click on it. Click delete files --> ok --> OK again. There is a second part of the cache, but you may have some programs depend on them, if you do this part of the cache shouldn't be emptied (it will reset any specific java settings that you have for java programs). i.e. if you use the wikipedia anti-vandalism java program, WP:STiki, it will reset to default settings, and will forget your username. If you would like to clear this part of the cache I'll tell you. Another thing you can try if twinkle is still running and loading slow is updating java library. In the Java control panel, there is a tab at the top that says "Update". If you click on it there is a button on the bottom of the page that says update now. It will check to see if your library is up to date. I hope this helps. --Alpha Quadrant ^talk 14:35, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

That's all very much irrelevant. Twinkle is not a java applet. Amalthea 15:15, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay. So is it just my computer that's being weird? Or is it Twinkle? --- cymru lass ^{(hit me up)}⁄_{(background check)} 00:48, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

It seems to be working for you now. I would have appreciated some feedback, in particular for future reference. Amalthea 08:29, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Copyvio Warning

Hey. Occasionally I need to warn a user who is continually pasting copyrighted material onto Wikipedia but don't have a specific warning for it. Before I take the time to create a warning, I'm investigating the use of such a warning. Does anyone know if a warning has previously existed or any reasons why one doesn't/shouldn't exist? Any input would be greatly appreciated. OlYeller^Talktome 01:45, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

There's {{Uw-copyright}}, and that's listed under "Single-issue warnings". Is that what you're thinking of? SchuminWeb (Talk) 09:57, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

CSD - tag only

I would like the question 'Tag page only, don't delete' to default to checked. Strictly speaking one should introduce a user preference but how many other admins would be inconvenienced if this change was done unconditionally? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:15, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

*raises hand* Meeeee... I usually use the CSD function with intent to delete when reviewing speedy deletions (and deleting them), and that would greatly slow down the process. SchuminWeb (Talk) 15:15, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Me too. RHaworth, I know you like to tag and let another admin review and that's fine, but you must realize you are very much in the minority as most admins will go ahead and delete it themselves. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

TwinkleConfig.deleteSysopDefaultToTag, defaults to false.

ToDo : Someone add it to the /doc, please.
Amalthea 12:53, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Fair use image tag - wrong tag placed by TW? + {{di-no permission}}

Resolved

In Twinkle when you choose the CSD option and choose "F7:Invalid fair use claim" the {{db-badfairuse}} tag is placed on the image. An admin has been replacing them with the {{di-replaceable fair use}} tag. Not sure if it is a glitch in Twinkle or if it is just an admins preference, but their summary's says "wrong tag - fixing." Is this something that needs to be changed or should there be an option under F7 for which tag an user wants to use? Soundvisions1 (talk) 01:26, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Also a PS - I am pretty sure I have mentioned this in the past. Using the "di" and selecting {{di-no permission}} asks for a source but TW does not actually place it into the tag. I always go back and do it manually. Soundvisions1 (talk)

Any progress on this? Still manually going in and placing the "source" after using TW to tag {{di-no permission}} images. Soundvisions1 (talk) 01:12, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Fixed the part with the source not being added to the template, you may need to bypass your cache to get the updated script.
Concerning {{db-badfairuse}} vs. {{di-replaceable fair use}}: The first one is the immediate WP:CSD#F7 tag which will make the image appear in Category:CSD right away. You don't normally want to use that. Use the "replaceable fair use" option in the "di" tab instead, which will make the image go through a 7 day grace period before being deleted. Amalthea 11:38, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. And I normally do use the "di" tags, I might have said that wrong above. Or it might have been the one day, I have not noticed it again. Some days TW is fine, others it does really strange things. Soundvisions1 (talk) 11:54, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Erratic

What I see in the drop-down menu in the new WP GUI is erratic. Sometimes when I try to welcome someone I have no 'Wel' to click on, and the same applies to other choices. I can't see a pattern. I am using Chrome. Dougweller (talk) 15:10, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

They were moved into the "TW" dropdown. You should see them there. If not, try bypassing your browser cache once. Amalthea 15:33, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

That's where I was looking for them. I'll try emptying the cache more often. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 16:13, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

It didn't work. I wanted to add a welcome to a new user who had vandalised, I purged the cache, refreshed using shift, both several times, still couldn't get Wel - gave a warning, and doubled the number of options on the TW dropdown. Dougweller (talk) 19:39, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

For an uncreated talk page, I don't find the Wel in the dropdown until I do something else to the page - clicking on 'Watch' works. Dougweller (talk) 17:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Unconstructive

Resolved

– Changed back by Nihonjoe (talk · contribs)

When I revert by by hitting rollback (VANDAL) it uses unconstructive instead of vandalism in my edit summaries. Is this the result of the merger and if so is it permanent? Will it effect other utilities that use flags to hunt down vandalism? Weetoddid (talk) 07:42, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

No, depends, don't know. Which other utilities does that affect how?
Was changed yesterday, why I don't know. Personally, I think the VANDAL-revert button should only be used for, well, vandalism. Anything else should be handled by using one of the other buttons, even something that's blatantly unconstructive, and should get some hand-typed edit summary. What do others think?
Amalthea 08:09, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I only use the vandal rollback for what I think is vandalism (and have occasionally been wrong) but I've found after using rollback vandal editors using huggle are usually right on top of further reverts. I'm assuming huggle is picking up on vandalism in the edit summary but it could be something else. If the button said rollback (UNCONSTRUCTIVE) I would use it more often than the vandal one. Anyway I'm not complaining - an awful lot of work must have gone into building twinkle and I'm grateful to those who have contributed. It would be helpful if the "button" were to reflect the change if it is to remain permanent. Weetoddid (talk) 08:57, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

WP:SPADE -- I am not using the button for merely "unconstructive" edits. We call it "vandalism". Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 09:57, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I changed the wording in order to soften it a bit more and allow for the possibility that—while some of us may only use it for tagging/reverting edits we absolutely believe are blatant vandalism—there may be many cases where the person may have been sincere in their edits. Additionally, it helps us to not WP:BITE new editors, for which it is used most often. Now, if people want to perhaps split it into two options in Twinkle (one which uses "unconstructive" an one which uses "vandalism", I'd be fine with that, too. Note, also, that the word "unconstructive" currently still links to WP:VAND; it's just the wording which was softened a little. It's all about the presentation, and trying to get people to actually pay attention to the notices. The softer wording allows for the possibility that they might have been sincere in their edits, but also links to the information about how it still may be considered vandalism. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 18:18, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

well, except for... when I revert something as "vandalism" I am exempt from 3RR. Calling it merely "unconstructive" limits me to 3 reverts; after that I will get blocked. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 21:14, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Not really, reverting vandalism is reverting vandalism, the edit summary does not need to state that, but it does make it less apparent to a potential trigger happy admin. Using edit summaries is considered good practice but it isn't mandatory. But I do agree with the notion that when you press "rollback (VANDAL)" it should state vandalism and not merely unconstructive, which can be interpreted as a misleading edit summary. If you revert vandalism it should just state that. There is no need to "soften" vandalism removal. I would love to see the regular rollback have the option to contain standardized messages, such as unconstructive, unsourced etc. would save a lot of time. But unconstructive edits are not the same as vandalism. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 21:28, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I think it would be very useful to have both "vandal" and "unconstructive" buttons. --Confession0791 ^talk 02:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Who takes care of that? While I know how to edit the individual pages, I'm not sure how to increase the functionality. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 17:21, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't agree, at all. Anything beyond blatant vandalism needs an edit summary, and a revert with a summary "unconstrutive" is not at all helpful, in particular since I can guarantee that a "revert (unconstructive)" button would be used for all kinds of content disagreements as well. Amalthea 17:42, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Just noticed this change, and I, for one, want it changed back to "vandalism". The last thing Wikipedia needs is euphemisms. The person committing the vandalism knows what they're doing, and flagging it as merely "unconstructive" makes the whole option redundant. — CIS ^(talk | stalk)

If people abuse Twinkle, it will be taken away, simple as that. Abuse of the tool already happens, and I don't see this as adding significantly to that. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 20:11, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

It wouldn't really be abuse though – the edit may have been unconstructive (by some metric), and it may be a good revert per se – but I'd still rather see it done with an edit summary describing the problem if it isn't blatant, and adding a button like this to Twinkle would encourage such reverts.
I'd have no issue about making the rollback links and their wordings user definable, by the way. If enough people would like that then I'll add it, it's not hard to do. I just don't want to see them in the standard installation. Amalthea 20:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

(←) I think it's pretty clear from the replies that this should be changed back. Additional buttons is another discussion, but the rollback vandal should state vandalism. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 18:40, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Note: The "unconstructive" word has been changed back to "vandalism" by Nihonjoe himself. Hey Mid (contributions) 07:48, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Multiple issues

The "group into {{multiple issues}}" function in Twinkle (formerly Friendly) doesn't work. TYelliot (talk) 16:09, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Details, please. What tags, were they on the page before, does {{multiple issues}} support those tags, …
Amalthea 16:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Getting Twinkle removed from My Preferences

I left a note at Wikipedia:Gadget/proposals#Friendly merged to Twinkle about getting Friendly removed from the preferences menu. Have your say. Marcus Qwertyus 19:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

L4 and L4im warnings that redirect to inappropriate ones

In the twinklewarn script I've seen several L4 (and L4im) warning messages that redirect to inappropriate ones. The ones I've seen so far are uw-unsourced4 (deleted) and uw-error4 (there are probably more). There was also a template not included in Twinkle (uw-unsourced4im). All of which redirect to the uw-generic4 template (which is for disruptive editing and currently not included in TW).

We have several options. We can either:

keep these redirected to the uw-generic4 template;
create new templates out of the existing redirect templates; or
remove these templates from the twinklewarn script.

I mean that the L3 warnings should probably do fine. My main concern is that just because a user continuously adds unsourced material, it doesn't have to mean the user is being disruptive. However, if we decide to keep these redirected, we can create new ones for 1, 2, 3, etc. If we remove them (or maybe anyway) we can add the uw-generic4 template to the twinklewarn script.

Recently I've created a new template, uw-unsourcedBLP4, for test purposes.

However, I can accept that the twinklespeedy script has duplicates of the same template, but that each one has its own description (different deletion descriptions for the same template). Hey Mid (contributions) 10:35, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Merge Twinkle and Friendly into one tool?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Consensus was to merge Twinkle and Friendly into one tool, with the merged tool taking the Twinkle name. SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:21, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Has anyone thought about merging the functions of Twinkle and Friendly into one tool, using the Twinkle name? It seems to me to make sense - we often get a lot of accidental meant-this-for-TW and meant-this-for-Friendly cross-posts, and that would allow us to consolidate all the functions under Vector's "TW" menu. What do people think? SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:01, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Merging most features is a good idea, as to have one big tool for all cleanup/warning duties. However, friendlyclock and friendlytabs should really be split off into gadgets available to all users, confirmed, autoconfirmed, or not. —Train2104 (talk · contribs · count · email) 23:53, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. The clock and the tabs were always kind of outside of Friendly's scope, so spinning them out of Friendly ahead of a merge as either new gadgets or into existing gadgets would definitely be beneficial. SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:13, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't know much about the clock but I agree with the merging. These extra tools should all be merged into one. --Devourer09 16:27, 21 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Devourer09 (talk • contribs)

I generally like this idea, but I have one concern: I have always felt that Friendly makes it way too easy to make a mess out of a new article. Could we find some way to strongly encourage users to simply put {{articleissues}} on a page but not fill out the additional parameters if there are four or more? I know, this would require the user to actually identify the problems on the talk page (gasp) in their own words instead of slapping four tags or one immense article issues tag that is often longer than the article it is tagging. I realize this is a problem with the users and not the tool itself, but there are a lot more people using Twinkle so this problem would get a lot bigger if they were merged. Otherwise I think it is a fine idea. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:57, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

The documentation for {{ai}} says not to use the template without any parameters. I'm sure there have been essays about not over tagging articles and distracting from the article. I think one of the tips that is mentioned is only tag the most important issues with the article instead of tagging every single issue. --Devourer09 18:31, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

I think one of the issues with how Friendly handles this template is that it doesn't bundle existing templates into an articleissues tag. Thus if you go in and add, say, five maintenance tags over five separate Friendly edits, it won't bundle them when it reaches a certain threshold. That's something that needs to be fixed, and if we merge the tools, that should be part of it. SchuminWeb (Talk) 22:53, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

So does anyone have any strong opinions against merging the Twinkle and Friendly tools together and calling the merged tool "Twinkle"? Ioeth seems to be able to put the two together, and if we're going to do this... SchuminWeb (Talk) 22:59, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

What do we call it, "frinkle"? :) --Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:49, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

My proposal is to drop the "Friendly" name altogether and just call the whole thing "Twinkle". The name "Friendly" was conceived because it only handled "friendly" tasks, like welcoming and maintenance tagging and the like, vs. some of Twinkle's somewhat-confrontational functions like deletion and warnings and the like. The name "Twinkle", in and of itself, is pretty neutral, and thus seems a suitable name for an all-purpose tool. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:05, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

In all seriousness I'm totally down for your idea. But I'd like to !vote for Frinkle because it's hilarious. Millahnna (talk) 02:08, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but the "Frinkle" name is kinda cheesy. The concept might work for Frangela, but not Twinkle. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:12, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

True enough I suppose. I do completely agree with your reasoning for just keeping the name Twinkle if both tools merge (which would be pretty cool). Millahnna (talk) 02:42, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Merge with the Twinkle name.--May Cause Dizziness (talk) 21:05, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Frinkle, I had wondered if there was a reason it couldn't be done. Marcus Qwertyus 18:23, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

According to Ioeth, a merge between the two tools would be pretty straightforward. The only reason they're not one tool is because they were created separately. SchuminWeb (Talk) 21:11, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Merge I don't care about name--Iankap99 (talk) 01:16, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Merge, but we might want to think about "Frinkling" around with some things:

TW's hair trigger -- Might be a good time to remove this (But still have it as an option), and incorporate {{db-multiple}} functionality. Perhaps the "Submit" Button for both TW and FR could be moved to the side of the pane so that you don't have to scroll through the whole page to confirm.
Friendly's default marking pages as patrolled when tagged -- If we put friendly into the hands of more NPPers that don't know that friendly does this there could be more patrol errors.

--Fiftytwo thirty (talk) 14:50, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Merge and call it Twinkle, or at the very least Frinkle. Twinkle seems pretty, shiny, happy and friendly enough to just keep its name if the Friendly tools are merged into it. Oh, and I agree with the second poin to Fiftytwo thirty--I installed Friendly to welcome people, I did not know about it marking pages as patrolled when tagged. I don't patrol Special:NewPages often, but it could cause patrol errors for people that do... --- cymru lass ^{(hit me up)}⁄_{(background check)} 14:22, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Merge All these functions on both gadgets are Javascript related, and all their related tabs appear at the top as well, although I have a slight concern. Merging the tools to a separate name will mean that we have to change a lot of our userboxes towards the current name, and well as possibly unlinking the Friendly article to WP:Friendly. I'd still call it Twinkle though, it's a rather cute name for a set of functions and also, there are more userboxes which are Twinkle related. Minima c (talk) 06:36, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that's all that hard of a problem to overcome. Replacing "Friendly" with "Twinkle" on userboxes isn't too hard, moves on same from "Friendly" to "Twinkle" isn't too hard to do (and the resulting redirects will not break transclusions), and any Friendly-specific templates can be redirected to point to their Twinkle counterparts. I think I could do all of those housekeeping-type changes in about an hour. SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:54, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Does it matter? Personally, I think the whole "switching-over" ordeal would be a tad too much work for something that's really not a big deal. Yes, it would be nice to have a merged tool, but is the trouble of the actual merge and what it includes (such as informing users and updating userboxes/other pages and whatnot) really worth such a minor issue? As I see it, the main reason behind this is to merge them into one menu, which I have been able to do currently with custom js. Ioeth seems open to the idea; what about AzaToth? /ƒETCH COMMS / 03:25, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - There is already such a tool in development. it is called Wikipedia:Dazzle!. --Alpha Quadrant ^talk 23:39, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

That makes no sense. Why would that be a reason to oppose anything in an unrelated tool? Not that it matters. And FWIW, I wouldn't call it "in development", Dazzle is suffering the same personnel problems Twinkle is. Amalthea 08:47, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Indeed, that comment struck me as odd. It would be like opposing Huggle because Twinkle (or Dazzle, for that matter) exists. After all, these various user scripts and such aren't in competition with each other... SchuminWeb (Talk) 12:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Also, some people can't use certain scripts and tools. For example, I can't use Huggle because my computer has issues. It freaks out whenever I install any new program. Some tools and scripts are better for some people than they are for others. --- cymru lass ^{(hit me up)}⁄_{(background check)} 17:04, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Considering that there appears to be consensus to merge, I'm going to close this discussion and begin merging some documentation and such beginning on Wednesday unless someone has any major objections to proceeding. SchuminWeb (Talk) 11:34, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- There are some technical odds and ends, depending on how far the merge is supposed to go. With a total merge there is a problem of merging the gadgets. Without developer intervention there is no way to transition users of the Friendly gadget over to Twinkle. If the Friendly scripts are added to twinkle.js and the Friendly gadget is dropped, all users that only used Friendly will find themselves missing the tabs, and those that only used (and wanted to use) Twinkle will have the additional tabs.
  On the other end of the scale, only fusing documentation and help pages, and merging the scripts into the same dropdown menu (for those odd people that actually use Vector) is quite trivial of course, but only a superficial merge. Amalthea 19:11, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

- I was going to take care of the superficial aspects of it first in order for people to become accustomed to it all being part of Twinkle, and to get the benefits of the centralized discussion right away. I do not, however, know how to merge the Vector menus. A total merge would be ideal, but can certainly be a gradual process. SchuminWeb (Talk) 19:29, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Talk page deletion after move

After an article is moved, the talk page on the redirect should be deleted. I am planning a number of moves, and I thought this tool would make the speedy deletion request one or two clicks, but there is no category for deletion of a talk page to a redirect. Is it possible to add this functionality? Or does this have to be taken up at CSD? Thanks --KMLP (talk) 19:38, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't believe that there is any policy on this matter, and the policy issues would need to be settled first before any functionality would be able to be built into Twinkle. Further, I could see not redirecting talk pages when pages are moved as being harmful to the project, as talk pages are regularly referenced, mostly on other talk pages and some project pages. Moving the talk page with its corresponding article and not leaving a redirect behind would break those links to the old talk pages. SchuminWeb (Talk) 21:46, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Ouch, I didn't think of that. I will have to recheck things. Thanks for the information. --KMLP (talk) 21:50, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

ReptoAdmins: Sockpuppet option

I think that the current form of the "sockpuppet report" option on Twinkle is rather unintuitive and needs improvements. First off, the sockpuppet investigations page advises against notifying suspected socks of their investigation, in the event they learn from their mistakes and come up with better ideas of dodging scrutiny. I think an additional checkbox option to opt out of notifying the socks would be in order. Secondly, I prefer to report a sock on the immediate instant that I see him/her instead of having to track down the sockpuppeteer to report him/her. If there can be an option to report the sock and list the sockmaster, instead of doing it the other way around, that'd be great. :| TelCo NaSp Ve :| 02:14, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I'd noticed the issue with automatic notification of socks, and that's one reason I don't use Twinkle for SPIs. It would be nice if it were optional. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 11:31, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Both are done now. T. Canens (talk) 11:26, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help.

:| TelCo NaSp Ve :| 11:53, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Watching Pseudo-Speedy deletions

Resolved

Maybe I am missing something in the documentation, but is there a way to configure the watching options for Pseudo-speedy deletions (Di)? I like to watchlist everything I tag so that I know when things get declined, and I noticed that they are not added automatically to my watchlist.

On a side note, should TW's (Formerly friendly's) Talkback function have a Using TW note on the end of it? At the moment there is no knowledge that I used a script to make edits like this --Fiftytwo thirty (talk) 02:23, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

WP:Twinkle/doc#deliWatch.... Untested, and you may need to bypass your browser cache to get the updated script. Amalthea 10:21, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I have set the options up in my monobook and everything seems to be working well (I have not tested the Watch usages though). --Fiftytwo thirty (talk) 22:31, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Watchlist

I could probably find this info by looking some more, but I've been checking for fifteen minutes and frankly I have real life issues to get back to. How do I set it up so that Twinkle never adds anything to my watchlist automatically? If I want anything added to my watchlist I'll just do it manually. Quadzilla99 (talk) 20:53, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

You probably have "Watchlist pages I edit" checkmarked on your preferences. Marcus Qwertyus 20:59, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

No, I don't. Plus it only happens when I use twinkle, I would have noticed it otherwise. Quadzilla99 (talk) 21:04, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Sigh. Quadzilla99 (talk) 05:50, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

What's with the sigh? Look at the documentation, that's what it's there for, and it isn't any less work for anyone else than it is for you.

if( typeof( TwinkleConfig ) == 'undefined' ) TwinkleConfig = {};
TwinkleConfig.deliWatchPage                             =       "no";
TwinkleConfig.deliWatchUsages                           =       "no";
TwinkleConfig.deliWatchUser                             =       "no";
TwinkleConfig.watchProdPages                            =       false;
TwinkleConfig.watchRevertedPages                        =       [ ];
TwinkleConfig.watchSpeedyPages                          =       [ ];
TwinkleConfig.watchWarnings                             =       false;
TwinkleConfig.xfdWatchDiscussion                        =       "no";
TwinkleConfig.xfdWatchList                              =       "no";
TwinkleConfig.xfdWatchPage                              =       "no";
TwinkleConfig.xfdWatchUsages                            =       "no";
TwinkleConfig.xfdWatchUser                              =       "no";

This will actually unwatch all pages you touch with Twinkle. Can't be helped at this point, needs a larger rewrite of Twinkle to avoid that. Amalthea 09:06, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

The sigh is because this place is well known to have become over-bureaucratized and difficult for new editors to figure out. I'm not a new editor but still. Just trying to install this and not make it put everything I edit with it on my watchlist shouldn't take a non-tech savvy person like myself 30-45 minutes. Then when I ask for help, I'm ignored. I don't mean to attack you but its the same attitude a lot of editors have to new users, "Read WP:blank, then read WP:Blank2". Thats why I spend a lot of my time trying to help out new users. Its much easier to just have someone to ask than to have to read all of the rules and documentation on this site, which if printed out would be hundreds and hundreds of pages. Plus you even just now said that what I want is nowhere to be found in there, so that saves me an hour on what would have been a fruitless search. I think I'll just remove the function of putting user talk pages on my watchlist when I welcome new users for now, as that's the main problem I'm having at the moment. Quadzilla99 (talk) 17:36, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

The problem with watchlisting that I don't like is that if you prod/CSD/Xfd something and the notification to the author involves creating their talkpage, it gets watched automatically. How do I make it so that Twinkle doesn't watch user talk pages ever? — Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 21:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Missing Tag/tb/wel features

I've installed Twinkle as a gadget in Wikipedia preferences, but when browsing article pages "Tag" isn't available, and when on user talk pages, "tb" and "wel" aren't available. I've cleared cache and tried using both Firefox and Chrome, but same result. Any suggestions/things I'm missing? Skyy Train (talk) 21:53, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

We're in the process of merging Friendly into Twinkle, and so for now, you will need to also add "Friendly" as a gadget in order to get the functionality that you're looking for. SchuminWeb (Talk) 22:29, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Add {{All plot}} & {{Cleanup-link rot}}

Please add {{All plot}} and {{Cleanup-link rot}}. Thanks. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 15:00, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Support --Kudpung (talk) 10:28, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Support I support the link rot template. Devourer09 (t·c) 19:10, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Side-effect of recent rewrite?

Resolved

This edit summary doesn't make sense to me. T. Canens (talk) 07:08, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't see it? Amalthea 09:11, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Not me either... Hey Mid (contributions) 09:24, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

As in, "You have been blocked from editing in enforcement of an arbitration decision on Autonomous Republic of Northern Epirus." makes no sense because, well, there is no "arbitration decision" on "Autonomous Republic of Northern Epirus". T. Canens (talk) 10:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Yeah, that makes no sense. :)
I've changed it to work better with such article postfixes, it now reads:
You have been blocked from editing for violating an arbitration decision on Autonomous Republic of Northern Epirus (TW)
The " on ..." part is optional.
Still a bit ambiguous. Any alternatives that won't require changing how the article link is appended to the summary? :) Amalthea 12:03, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

What about "You have been blocked from editing for violating an arbitration decision with your edits on Autonomous Republic of Northern Epirus"? T. Canens (talk) 00:55, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Done. Amalthea 09:37, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

It should be 'due to your edits' or 'because of your edits' not 'with your edits'. Devourer09 (t·c) 19:38, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

As a courtesy, updates to uw-advert series

uw-advert has been updated to clarify the soapboxing and promotional aspects of its coverage through all stages (1->4im). uw-advert has previously confused editors misusing wikipedia to soapbox personally held beliefs, as propagandising their beliefs does not appear to be "advertising" to such users. Fifelfoo (talk) 11:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Undeleting pages with many revisions

Since Twinkle was apparently utilised in this AN thread about undeleting pages with many revisions, can someone here help out with this similar problem? Graham87 01:47, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Question

Why are we merging twinkle and friendly together? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monterey Bay (talk • contribs) 05:33, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Read Wikipedia talk:Twinkle#Merge Twinkle and Friendly into one tool?. Devourer09 (t·c) 15:31, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Reorder tag list

I want to reorder which the tags that come up in the list because I'm getting tired of scrolling to the bottom for unreferenced. It'd be so much easier if it was at the top. In fact I don't use the majority of those and it'd save me time if I could put the most used ones at the top. I looked through the documentation and I see you can add custom tags but says nothing about rearranging the default tags... Devourer09 (t·c) 15:35, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I would actually support merging the "maintenance" and "problem" templates into a single alphabetized list. Would still put "unreferenced" near the bottom, unfortunately, but would definitely eliminate a somewhat arbitrary line between the two. SchuminWeb (Talk) 21:50, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, but better yet, the ability to reorganize them however you like would be better. Devourer09 (t·c) 22:53, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Could I override the Twinkle code if I added this code and modified it on my vector.js page? Devourer09 (t·c) 19:39, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Overuse of tags

Not sure if this is the best place to post this, but oh well. As I've been sifting through the copy-edit backlog, I've noticed articles with as many as ten (!!!) cleanup tags and so forth. Many of these tags are quite redundant, such as including tone/peacock tags along with "copyedit" tags, reorganization and sections-needed tags, or just dropping a general cleanup tag to an already expansive list. Looking back, a lot of these laundry lists were added by editors using Twinkle; it's probably easier to drop tags indiscriminately with the tool.

I ask that editors take the reader into consideration by avoiding redundant cleanup tags. It not only looks unprofessional, but it can also discourage people from reading (and perhaps editing) the article. — Deck iller 22:58, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Although I fully and completely agree with you that this is a real problem, this is a problem with the users who add such tags, not a problem with Twinkle. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:03, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, as Beeblebrox has said, there is a disclaimer that the user takes responsibility for using the tool. Although, perhaps a more smart version of the tagging tool could recognize redundant tags and not add them, or warn against adding them. I'm sure there is an essay somewhere talking about overtagging an article. Devourer09 (t·c) 15:37, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:OVERTAGGING#Over-tagging ǝɥʇM0N0 04:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I suggested a while back before the tool merger that friendly recommend using {{article issues}} if there more than two issues and adding it without parameters if there were more than three, the idea being that the user would then use the talk page to actually clearly identify the issues instead of adding enormous tags. The first time I brought it up another user hijacked the thread to rant against the very existence of the tool and it was shut down basically to stop their disruptive rudeness. The second time, right before the merger is still on this page. It seemed like there was not strong opposition to the idea, but it has not been done, possibly for technical reasons, I don't know. Beeblebrox (talk) 05:11, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh, you would bring that old discussion up, wouldn't you? :-P

Otherwise, though, my dream scenario on the tag function is for the script to detect existing tags and bundle those into articleissues along with new tags if a certain number of tags exist after all additions. Currently, while it will bundle many tags added at once, it will not bundle existing tags. Thus, for instance if one runs the tag function eight times, one will have eight separate single template boxes stacked on top of each other, rather than combined in the multiple box. Or if one adds one, six, and then one more, you will have a single tag, a multiple with six issues, and then another single tag after the multiple box. So for the tag function to become smart enough to know when compatible tags already exist and do a little housekeeping while it's in there, that would be the dream functionality for me. SchuminWeb (Talk) 06:17, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

"Wel" before "Warn"

Can we please move the "Warn" button before the "Wel" button? The amount of times users are warned is far greater than the amount of times users are welcomed, and this is slowing down vandal-fighters. Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:42, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Using Internet Explorer

I recently activated Twinkle in my preferences, but it doesn't seem to be working at all. Is this because I have Internet Explorer? —Reelcheeper (talk) 07:08, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

If you've bypassed your cache and it's still not working for you, then I would blame IE for the tool's not working. Believe it or not, one of the predecessors of Twinkle is what made me switch to Firefox myself. You should, too. I highly recommend it, since it's a far better browser. SchuminWeb (Talk) 07:34, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Is there going to be any support for Internet Explorer in the future? --George 2001 ^hi 14:53, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

In a way: I hear IE9 is going to be a huge improvement in IE standards compliance, so it should be possible to make it work there without too much of a hassle.
At the moment there's a switch in the gadget version of Twinkle that prevent it from loading in any version of IE. If someone is using the IE9 beta and can confirm that it works I'd be happy to enable it for IE9. Amalthea 16:08, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Red Links after AfD tagging

When I've used Twinkle to tag articles for AfD, I've noticed that the link to the AfD page that Twinkle leaves on the article page sometime has a red link where the link to the article's AfD page should be. Moreover, the link to the AfD page that Twinkle leaves on the article creator's talk page can often be a red link. In both cases, to fix the problem, I need to add underscores where the spaces were in the article's title. — Fly by Night (talk) 13:17, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I've noticed this too. But the link still works even when it is red. —Half Price 13:49, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I was actually just about to mention this as well. It isn't Twinkle's fault, it's because mediawiki hasn't rebuilt the talk page (purged the server cache) since the AfD was created. To fix it, the talk page needs to be purged. I can't imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to get Twinkle to purge the page once the AfD notice has been added, perhaps we should request that this feature be added? -- Lear's Fool 09:05, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

You can fix this by just doing an empty edit. Go to edit the article and just hit "submit" without doing anything and the AfD link should be blue. Them From Space 09:26, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Prod

Courtesy notification per request. Template:Proposed deletion was updated to include a suggestion to notify projects (listed on the talk page) as well as authors when placing a prod. Jeepday (talk) 22:49, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

changes

the template {{welcome}} needs the addition of the WP:BRD page for editors to avoid edit wars and get early blocks. And also, possibly, WP:COI and WP:POV. The first doesnt seem controversial at all though.(Lihaas (talk) 10:22, 18 December 2010 (UTC)).

Part Oppose I would say the first point is controversial, at least for me. WP:BRD is an essay, not a policy or behavioral guideline. BRD even states in its own text that it is best suited to more experienced editors. I think new editors (for which the template is used) need to be pointed to policy and recognised behavioral guidelines before essays. This template already includes the five pillars of Wikipedia which in turn includes WP:NPOV. WP:COI could be useful though. Pol430 talk to me 10:05, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

This isn't the correct venue for this conversation. Template talk:Welcome is for discussing changes to that specific template. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:50, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Failed to find the target

Why is it failing to find the target to add an AFD discussion? I've had this happen with other xfds before but not AFD. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 02:07, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Template:Edit summary

I think it would be useful if Template:Uw-editsummary was added to the standard version of Twinkle. --Confession0791 ^talk 04:35, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it is, let me check... Beeblebrox (talk) 05:58, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Under "single issue notices," towards the middle. [6] Beeblebrox (talk) 06:02, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Question

Is it possible to remove the "unlink" tab? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 02:40, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I mean, sure, it's possible to do that, just like how we can also put the word "CHEESE" in all of the selections as well (sorry, couldn't resist). But the question is, do we want to do this? And no reason was articulated for doing this. Why would we want to do this? SchuminWeb (Talk) 07:10, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I meant just for my own Twinkle. I've gotten into trouble with the unlink tool and was wondering if there was a way to remove it from my own twinkle only. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 15:56, 31 December 2010 (UTC)