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Proposals, February 2012

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More splits from Category:Pyralidae stubs

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Looks like the Pyralinae will also support a split by tribe. Might as well tag once and be done with it:

Templates to be built first, with categories to follow, if size allows. Dawynn (talk) 12:55, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Support --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:25, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Support with cat-tree integrated into the genus proposals below. --Qetuth (talk) 04:06, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
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Genera split off from Category:Pyralidae stubs

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While working on the previously requested Pyralidae split, I discovered that there were about a dozen genera that can each fill or nearly fill a category of their own. Propose templates for each of these genera, and categories for the larger ones:

These 11 genera alone account for nearly 900 articles! Dawynn (talk) 12:39, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:26, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Support. --Qetuth (talk) 03:58, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
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Mobile software

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Over in Category:Software stubs, I've came across several articles about mobile software, especially third-party Android software, that doesn't fit into any existing stub category beside the one it's already in, such as Agit (software). I'm not sure if there are enough articles for a new stub category, but I think that it's a general enough topic so that editors exist who could improve these articles.--Yutsi Talk/ Contributions 16:08, 27 February 2012 (UTC) (fixed category reference above)--Qetuth (talk) 02:55, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Category:Software stubs is oversized (>900 articles) so I support a template - and a category if 60 such articles can be found. I presume a second parent category would be Category:Telecommunications stubs. What about a name though? {{telecomm-software-stub}} (as intersection of {{software-stub}} and {{telecomm-stub}})? SeveroTC 21:11, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Support also. Category:Mobile technology stubs / {{mobile-stub}} are an obvious parent I think, so {{mobile-software-stub}} would be my name suggestion. --Qetuth (talk) 23:35, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Seems a better choice, and fits the permcat Category:Mobile software. CatScan puts 351 tagged articles in three levels of that permcat so Category:Mobile software stubs would make a viable stub cat. SeveroTC 14:31, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:27, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
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Iran county geography templates

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I have received word that there is a push to create articles for each of the villages in Iran. In order to avoid later stub sorting, please approve the creation of county-level templates, and potential category names for when the templates reach maturity.

Proposed Iran county geography templates

Dawynn (talk) 20:34, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Support, this will save a lot of rework. Thanks, Dawynn for taking the initiative! Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:44, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Support all. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:27, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Ardabil County geography stubs

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Speedy request. {{ArdabilCounty-geo-stub}} now has over 100 articles, with many more to tag. Will bring its parent category back under 800. Main article: Ardabil County. Category:Ardabil County. Dawynn (talk) 15:42, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Support Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:53, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
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{{Heliozelidae-stub}} / Category:Heliozelidae stubs

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Main article: Heliozelidae. Create as an exploratory template. Also, to help move this family around. Current higher-level classification is uncertain. Having a template and potential category will ease moving of articles once classification determined. Build template first, with category to follow after 60 articles tagged. Dawynn (talk) 12:28, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

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Split of Category:Wisconsin geography stubs

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We have previously requested and approved templates for all of the Wisconsin counties, although these have not all been built. This main parent category continues to be oversized, but dividing into the various counties is creating templates with an average of 20 - 30 articles each. I found this website which indicates the governor-established regional planning commissions for the state of Wisconsin. Can we base regional categorization on the map provided here? If we include the county with the capital, as well as the 5 counties not covered by an RPC, we have what could be termed the South Central region. Here's how this would break down:

With 9 regions, the geography categories would break down to about 180 articles each. Dawynn (talk) 02:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Looks good. Here is a html version of the map without the extra MPO lines. Support --Qetuth (talk) 07:34, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
After further thought, it's really OR to declare a South Central region ourselves, and a quick search shows several organisations use "South Central Wisconsin" - none appear to match the 6 counties listed. It might be better to leave those 5 spare counties upmerged to the main category until they can have their own category? (So support all except SCW, undecided about it) --Qetuth (talk) 01:43, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
I oppose these intermediate subdivisions of the state. There is no standard county regional groupings in Wisconsin for the counties Wisconsin - making this method POV or possibly even OR. For example, east central Wisconsin almost always includes Manitowoc and Sheboygan counties. Sheboygan county is often added to the southeastern Wisconsin grouping too. The standard method for organizing lists of counties in Wisconsin (on Wikipedia) is to list all 72 counties right under the state category and sort by county name. 72 is not too high of a number to look through so why promote someone's non-standard subdivision method? WikiProject Wisconsin has not be alerted to any subdivisions of the Wisconsin-geo-stub template so I have notified them. Royalbroil 05:10, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
You're absolutely right that 72 is not a large number to look through. The problem is the over 1600 articles in the parent category -- more than double the size we strive for. And I will also agree that I have not seen a consistent division of the state, even amongst the various governmental bodies. I was just trying to find some kind of division to make this category more manageable. I will leave the discussion open for now for others to weigh in. Dawynn (talk) 13:09, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
I agree with Royalbroil-there is no intermediate subdivisions in Wisconsin. This should be taken to the WikiProject Wisconsin discussion page. Thank you-RFD (talk) 01:46, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
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Category:New Zealand people stubs

The New Zealand people category is greatly oversized. This may just be undersorting, but if its a matter of lack of approved tags, I suggest the following exploratory tags, copied from similar tags for US and UK:

Dawynn (talk) 17:00, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I tried sorting it, but virtually all of them appear to be bot generated articles drawing from an encyclopedia of biographies, awaiting proper expansion, and in most cases not containing enough information to accurately sort without going into the linked reference to see why it was added to the categories it was. Tags like activist will definitely help in the meantime
In any case Support most as with 2500 or so articles they'll be needed sooner or later. Except check these points:
-- Qetuth (talk) 02:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Support as needed. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:30, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Split of Category:Pyralidae stubs

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Split by subfamily next. Propose the following templates, with categories to follow, if size allows:

Dawynn (talk) 16:47, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Support -- Qetuth (talk) 07:22, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
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Split of Category:Hebei geography stubs

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Propose category and templates at the prefecture level. Should average about 250 pages per prefecture.

Templates to be built first, with categories to follow, if size allows. Dawynn (talk) 16:37, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Support -- Qetuth (talk) 07:19, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:31, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
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Split of Category:Flemish painter stubs

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For more detail, please see Category talk:Flemish painter stubs. This category has become overly inclusive because of the lack of other Flemish artist categories. Category:Flemish painter stubs includes eight Flemish engravers and one illustrator, none of whom appeared to be painters. It also includes several multidisciplinary artists who were sculptors, illustrators, engravers, architects, and draughtsmen in addition to being painters. At the same time, the criteria of "mainly active between 1581 and 1830" excludes earlier Flemish painters.

I propose the following new template categories:

I also propose adding three century birth stubs within Category:Flemish painter stubs, like those in Category:French painter stubs and Category:Italian painter stubs:

As of this moment, there are 146 pages are in this category. Peaceray (talk) 23:12, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

146 is probably too small to justify splitting for a stub category - we generally don't have categories for less than 60 stubs. However, I suggest the main category name should be moved to Category:Flemish artist stubs containing both {{Flemish-artist-stub}} and {{Flemish-painter-stub}}: see Category:Portuguese artist stubs for a similar category. For most European countries, "painter stubs" is a subcat of "artist stubs" which is created once there are at least 60 of both. -- Qetuth (talk) 04:51, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Fixed typo, and question: is 'artist' a suitable parent for 'engraver'? The main cats seem to go to printing -- Qetuth (talk) 04:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
There is a Category:Flemish engravers, which is a subcategory of Category:Flemish printmakers (among others), which itself is a subcategory of both Category:Printmakers and Category:Flemish artists. To mirror these categories, would it be appropriate to have the following?
Peaceray (talk) 08:08, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
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Split of Category:Lorestan Province geography stubs

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There are 10 counties in Lorestan. That averages to nearly 300 articles per county:

Templates first, with categories to follow for any that pass 60. Dawynn (talk) 12:21, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Support --Qetuth (talk) 13:13, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Support Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:53, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:34, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
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Split of Category:Catalonia geography stubs

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With only 4 provinces, this should mean about 250 articles per province:

Templates first, with categories to follow for any that reach at least 60. Dawynn (talk) 12:07, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Support --Qetuth (talk) 13:11, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:38, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
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Split of Category:Belgaum district geography stubs

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Looks like the Taluk is the next level. Should average to over 100 articles per split:

In each case, I have used the name of the main article I was redirected to when choosing the Taluk from List of districts of Karnataka Dawynn (talk) 12:02, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Support --Qetuth (talk) 13:10, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:38, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
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Split of Category:Ardabil Province geography stubs

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Looks like a split by county would produce an average of 90 articles per county:

Dawynn (talk) 11:45, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Support --Qetuth (talk) 13:06, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
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Split of Category:North Rhine-Westphalia geography stubs

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Oversized. Looks like the trend in other areas of Germany is to have district-level templates, with region-level categories. Propose the following breakdown:

This should break down to an average of 200 - 300 articles for each region. Dawynn (talk) 13:48, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Support--Qetuth (talk) 13:04, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
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Split of Category:Uttar Pradesh geography stubs

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Looks like the trend is to build District-level templates with division level categories. Propose the following district templates with division-level categories for any template groups that reach more than 60 articles:

Dawynn (talk) 12:47, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

This should average to about 57 articles per division. But averages never work out exactly. Given current article counts, even if one new category can be built, Uttar Pradesh will be back under 800. Dawynn (talk) 13:52, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Washington (state) people stubs

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Speedy request. To pick up {{Washington-bio-stub}}. This template has 61 tagged articles, but only because I quit in the 'B's. Dozens, if not hundreds, more could probably be tagged. Category will also be a parent for Category:Washington (state) politician stubs. I'll also ask for approval for a few breakdown templates and potential categories:

Dawynn (talk) 15:02, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Support speedy-cat, new templates, and subcats when >60 without draining main cat <60. I assume the new templates would in the meantime double upmerge to eg {{Washington-bio-stub}}/{{US-reli-bio-stub}}? All looks good. --Qetuth (talk) 21:59, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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Faizabad division geography stubs

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I have already requested a name change for this category. Please approve appropriate district-level templates so people can start filling in this category:

Dawynn (talk) 14:08, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

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Telephone number stubs

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Propose {{telephone-number-stub}} and Category:Telephone number stubs as child of oversized Category:Telecommunications stubs to hold over 150 'Telephone numbers in foo' national articles. --Qetuth (talk) 06:52, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

{{telephone-number-stub}} or {{telephonenumber-stub}} (is it really related to {{number-stub}}/{{num-stub}})? Support, Category:Area code stubs seems a natural child cat. SeveroTC 15:40, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks again - I'm going to get the hang of noticing those stems eventually. We don't have a 'phone' or 'telephone' stem either (but oddly enough do have 'mobile'). So {{telephonenumber-stub}} is probably better. --Qetuth (talk) 23:19, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:39, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
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Festival stubs

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Propose reducing oversized category Category:Festival stubs with:

--Qetuth (talk) 13:05, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Edited to replace literary- with arts- after I realised Category:Literary festivals is a subcat of Category:Arts festivals --Qetuth (talk) 13:21, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

No opposition to the split, but template names as:
SeveroTC 11:19, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. Actually, the art- stem is for visual art etc. Category:Arts festivals and Category:Art festivals are different categories. 'Art' covering visual art and photography, sculpture, 'Arts' also covering books and poetry and many misc festivals - that is perhaps unnecesarily confusing.
How about reverting to my original (edited out) suggestion of {{lit-festival-stub}}, for literary and poetry festivals and book faires? It will probably not reach 60 transclusions on it's own, which is why I looked at the parent permcat. --Qetuth (talk) 12:27, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
I think it's better. The trouble with -arts- is we don't have such a parent type (-art- as you mention being different). The most similar type to it is {{culture-stub}}, but Category:Culture stubs is a subtype of Category:Festival stubs anyway. SeveroTC 13:20, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


To clarify, final proposal is:

-- Qetuth (talk) 07:43, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:39, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Twin Cities, Minnesota geography stubs

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Category:Minnesota geography stubs is currently at 724 articles, with not much for established regional areas in Minnesota. I propose a category based on the Minneapolis-Saint Paul-Bloomington MSA as defined in this article. Would be a parent-only category for:

I expect these are probably undersorted as {{Minnesota-geo-stub}} contains over 300 articles. Dawynn (talk) 16:13, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Support --Qetuth (talk) 11:49, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
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Speedy creation of more AFL Bios by decade

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Pre-1880 would have about 70 articles remaining, with still hundreds of untagged or unsorted stubs to come. --Qetuth (talk) 13:29, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Support. SeveroTC 18:54, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
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India structure templates by state

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Think we could do with the following:♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

We split many other countries by state so I don't see why not. SeveroTC 18:54, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Reject. I had a look through the Category:Building and structure stubs tree, and it seems only parts of USA and Canada split structures by state, and then only because it was still oversized after splitting by building type, which is where all other oversides countries have started. Category:Indian building and structure stubs is still pretty small and looks like theres more sorting by building that can be done (eg, churches, jails) before we resort to these. --Qetuth (talk) 13:30, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
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Split of Category:Korean film stubs

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I can see how this will most likely play out. Propose the following templates and category:

(There are 25 pages in Category:Pre-1948 Korean films, 17 pages in Category:North Korean films and 5 categories and 782 pages in Category:South Korean films) Dawynn (talk) 13:11, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Support. SeveroTC 18:54, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
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Split of Category:Korean company stubs

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While not oversized, at over 300 articles, its probably worth investigating a split down to the current national boundaries. Propose templates and categories (if article counts sufficient):

Dawynn (talk) 13:01, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Support: Category:Companies of Korea is almost purely split already. Doubt NK will get enough for Cat though. --Qetuth (talk) 13:26, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Support. SeveroTC 18:54, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
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Internet Meme Stub

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A stub as {{internet-meme-stub }} or similar. I also propose protection for articles written under this as articles about Internet memes on Wikipedia tend to be vandalized or nominated for speedy deletions.

A search for Internet memes with under 2500 bytes gave 44 Internet memes and 15 Viral videos, so plausible. Either Category:Internet stubs or Category:World Wide Web stubs could be parent. But it could be problematic - if a stub isn't clearly a meme, it doesn't revert to being an internet stub (it could be a song, or a picture, or a person, etc). --Qetuth (talk) 13:47, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
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Anime stub types

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Suppport 1-4. Not sure about 5 either, looks a bit tricky.
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