Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 December 3

December 3

Film writer templates

Template:Jonathan Aibel and Glenn Berger (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:John Fusco (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Cinco Paul and Ken Daurio (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:William Davies (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This writer-specific navbox violates WP:FILMNAV, which says, "Filmographies (and similar) of individuals should also not be included in navboxes, unless the individual concerned could be considered a primary creator of the material in question. This avoids over-proliferation of individuals' navboxes on each production's article, and avoids putting undue weight on the contributions of certain individuals over others." This navbox is causing exactly the problem that WP:FILMNAV warns about. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 22:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Weak oppose~~. I think that in the majority of these cases the writers concerned could be considered primary creators of the material in question. I don't think bundling these nominations together is helpful, as they should each be looked at on their own merit. I'd be more concerned with the producer navboxes, espectially these days when films seem to have about a dozen producers. I'm sure I've advocated for limiting this to director roles only in the dark and murky past, but I seem to recall that "primary creator" was the compromise. What is auteur theory anyway? ;) --wooden superman 11:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I looked at all the examples, and there were none where they were always the primary creator. Are you suggesting limiting it to works where they are only the primary creator? I feel like if we don't pay attention, editors will mindlessly fill out (or restore) all credits, like the now-blocked MolAnneFinnBall567 did. It seems to be better to be all or nothing. It's not like there is zero access to writing credits; their names are always in the infobox and ideally the article body too. It's about whether or not we need yet another navbox at the very end of the article, and writers and producers are rarely the exclusive sole drivers of creativity across all their works. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 12:42, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think these have been concerns for nearly a decade! See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers/Archive 11#RFC: Filmography navboxes. --wooden superman 13:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I think categories serve best than the navboxes. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the Fusco navbox at the least, don't mind deleting the others. I've been following this discussion for a while, and considering the script is the second-most essential to a film (even more so than producers and actors), I feel a case can be made for keeping those who in almost all cases act solo, unlike guys like McKenna and Sommers (who would often be part of a team of six, thus cheapening their creative role too much to be primary). In Fusco's case, almost every work (save The Shack (2017 film), with two other writers) had him work solo - and there are 15 - so there is far less of an issue keeping him than the others. ミラP@Miraclepine 19:44, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ampers&One

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:32, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ampers&One (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only 3 distinct directly-related articles. Template offers no additional navigational benefit. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 20:45, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:AAT search link

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:AAT search link (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This dissertation citation template uses a URL that no longer works and is used five times. This should be deleted and replaced with Template:Cite thesis, as it allows for far more parameters. SWinxy (talk) 19:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:PIE

Template:PIE (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Replace usages with {{lang|ine-x-proto}} and delete.

Proto-Indo-European language has been supported for a while now by {{lang}}, which additionally provides various checks, validations and categories, that this template does not.

The main difference between the two templates is that PIE does not italic the text or adds an asterisk (*), while Lang does. That means that when replacing, if a PIE usage

has an asterisk, it should be removed
wraps the template in italics, they should be removed

See this edit as an example.

Also somewhat related, "pie" is incorrect to use here as that is the language code for the Piro Pueblo language. Gonnym (talk) 13:40, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support nomination, per nom. House Blaster (talk • he/they) 05:39, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Testcase

Template:Testcase (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Test case (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Testcase with Template:Test case.
{{Testcase}} is referred to as the legacy version of the spaced {{Test case}}. They should be merged. House Blaster (talk • he/they) 21:48, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I do think that the amount of coding that would be required to create a wrapper for the old template so that all the params can translate into the new one would be overly burdensome, and I don't think that the time spent reprogramming old test cases to follow the format of the new template would be worth it. As such, I don't think that template merging here would improve the encyclopedia on a net basis, so I think they should be kept. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 05:44, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Replace all usages (122) and delete template. Don't merge anything that the new template can already do, and only merge specific features if actually needed. Gonnym (talk) 12:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Happy with that outcome, too. House Blaster (talk • he/they) 21:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Pacific Ocean Blue

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:28, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Pacific Ocean Blue (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not needed, links already included at more comprehensive {{Dennis Wilson}} navbox --wooden superman 12:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Holland (album)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Holland (album) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only three of the songs in the tracklisting have articles. All the outtakes redirect to the album article. --wooden superman 12:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:How-to

Template:How-to (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 324 transclusions
Template:Manual (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 547 transclusions

Propose merging Template:How-to with Template:Manual.
These seem to say the same thing, in different words ("contains instructions, advice, or how-to content"/ "written like a manual or guide").

Reducing the number of available duplicative templates makes it easier for editors to find the template suited to an issue which they wish to flag. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to {{How-to}} which is slightly older (2006). — Hex • talk 14:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to {{Manual}}. I think the latter frames it better than the former; this isn't serious enough to be an orange tag IMHO. Plus the latter has more transclusions. Duckmather (talk) 04:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge which way?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 11:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Oppose A how-to is not a manual. Just compare wikiHow and manualslib. A how-to is usually a numbered list of instructions, while a manual usually includes pages with labelled figures without instructions in addition to the how-to.
This means a manual is less unencyclopedic than a how-to. Being all-encompassing, the merge destination should be {{Manual}}, and perhaps a |how-to=1 can be added as a severity parameter. 172.97.141.219 (talk) 04:39, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The deletion nomination rationale is not that "a how-to is a manual". The issue is that the two templates are used interchangeably, and the distinction between their usecases is vague and their content duplicative. What purpose would a "severity parameter" serve? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:55, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  The distinction is like {{no plot}}/{{How-to}} vs {{more plot}}/{{Manual}}. 172.97.141.219 (talk) 07:04, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:IranNCSGN

Template:IranNCSGN (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No point in external link template for a dead link. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
weak keep, seems like it is being used as a reference for the spelling of place names, so maybe just point to the wayback archive instead for those cases. Frietjes (talk) 22:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 11:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: If kept per Frietjes, then convert to a full citation template and not leave it in this mixed-state. Gonnym (talk) 12:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:As It Is

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 11:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:As It Is (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only three albums. WP:NENAN --wooden superman 10:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Bethany Cosentino

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 11:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Bethany Cosentino (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only one album and one featured single to her credit doesn't meet the threshold of WP:NENAN --wooden superman 10:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:05, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Christian political parties in the Netherlands

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 11:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Christian political parties in the Netherlands (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

We already have Template:Political parties in the Netherlands and Template:Defunct political parties in the Netherlands. I believe these templates per ideology make the template lists too cluttered, especially for active parties. Dajasj (talk) 09:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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