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Different languages

Hello, I recently created an article, which also features in a different language, I have tried to link the 2 pages but it is not working, can someone please help me resolve this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TMN81 (talk • contribs) 23:45, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

This must be about Vital Concept Cycling Team. You've created an article about a cycling team that has not yet competed in any race. It might be best to wait for a year or so; by then we can hope that there'll be something to write about. Maproom (talk) 00:05, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Unsure if a subject merits an entry

The actor Josh O'Connor does not have an entry, and I'm unsure whether to draft one. I haven't written an entry before. Thank youP. Tobie B. (talk) 05:53, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

I easily found sources like these,[1][2][3][4] , so I´d say you have a fair shot per WP:GNG. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:40, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! Now I just have to figure out all the coding stuff, LOL. Not sure if I can do it, but I'll try. P. Tobie B. (talk) 15:05, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey P. Tobie B.. You may want to check out our tutorial on writing your first article, which can hopefully explain a lot and make things much easier. GMG ^talk 15:22, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Go Green. I did look at those instructions, which is why I have a feeling I won't be able to figure it out :-) Will try, though, as I think Josh deserves an entry. P. Tobie B. (talk) 15:27, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi, P. Tobie B.. Perhaps you can try using the Article wizard? It should guide you through the creation of your article, step by step. We'll also be happy to help at the Teahouse with any questions you may have during the process. Good luck! –FlyingAce^✈hello 01:40, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, FlyingAce! I'm eager to give it a go. Is it standard courtesy to ask the subject if he/she would like to be in Wiki? 2604:2000:E0D3:3500:1143:E2AD:889D:6983 (talk) 02:14, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Now that´s an interesting question, P. Tobie B. It´s a fine sentiment, but my answer is no. In part because Josh O'Connor choose to pursue fame and this is part of it (hopefully a fairly harmless part). Also, per for example Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Autobiography, we generally want the subject of an article involved as little as possible. Also, remember to log in when editing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:56, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

@P. Tobie B.: The short answer is that no, we do not care about the subject's sentiment towards the article either way. This being said, we usually try not to include overly-private information in articles (see WP:BLPPRIVACY for details). There is some precedent that if a subject just meets the notability guidelines, and requests deletion of an article about themselves, we usually follow that request ("courtesy delete"); similarly, if there is information at the limit of WP:DUEWEIGHT that is not clearly negative, we usually remove it on request. Considering the links that Gråbergs Gråa Sång dug up, I would say we are not in that case (GNG is clearly met to my eyes). (Also, my minority opinion is that many "personal life" sections should go - the university they went to, their spouse's name, number of children etc. are often included even when those facts are not really relevant to the article. Even if that is publically available information, I think it is not encyclopedic information. But that is a minority viewpoint. It was recently agreed that putting samples of signatures for everyone we could was not a good idea, in the same vein. ) Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 09:25, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you both. I've unearthed a lot of links about Josh, so there's stuff out there for sure. Tigraan, I find the bio facts about celebs interesting—schooling, family, etc.—and would think they belong. If I ever get up enough courage to figure out how to post—I'm a writer, but the technical stuff here scares me—I'd be inclined to include them. 2604:2000:E0D3:3500:1143:E2AD:889D:6983 (talk) 02:29, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Unless their full date of birth is widely known, please dont't add it. It makes identity theft easier. See MOS:DOB. Doug Weller talk 15:37, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi P. Tobie B. except for the subject's spouse/partner, avoid naming non-notable relatives, particularly children. Do say: "He married Susan Blogs in 1998, they have two children", do not say "He married Susan, second daughter of Joe, a lawyer and Vietnam War veteran, and Anne Blogs, in 1998. Their children are Pete, aged 6 and Lara aged 3". Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:51, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes, of course, Roger. There are several famous people in my family—all listed in Wiki!—so I'm quite discreet. I so appreciate everyone's help.2604:2000:E0D3:3500:6041:5ADE:21B3:AEF0 (talk) 17:00, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Not to scare you away, but you might want to check out this page. Rajanala Samyak (talk) 12:15, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

When am I allow to turn a redirect into an article?

I ask because of this. CrayFishBob (talk) 05:58, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, CrayFishBob. You can create a well-referenced article about any topic that is truly notable, and otherwise complies with our topics and guidelines. An existing redirect can easily be eliminated if an acceptable new article has been written. Please refer to Your first article for some good advice. Since the English language Wikipedia has about 5.5 million articles, it is difficult (although not impossible) to write an acceptable new article. The broader editing community must agree with you that any new article is acceptable. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:19, 21 November 2017 (UTC)÷

AfDQuestion

Can the creator of an article be involved or "speak" in an AfD discussion? Thanks. NikolaiHo^☎️ 04:09, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Nikolaiho. Yes, the creator of an article can participate in a deletion debate about that article. However, it is good form, and far more effective, for the creator to acknowledge that they wrote (or began) the article. That frankness defuses accusations of conflict of interest, and results in a smoother debate. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:24, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

One more question

Mvasileva (talk) 23:32, 20 November 2017 (UTC) Thank you so so much for your help "White Arabian Filly"

Can you please tell me how to create an "article page" instead of "user page"? I struggled with that.

I will remove that photo as soon as I receive a photo from my client that I can place on his profile. This is just a template that appeared once I created the profile last week.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Mvasileva (talk) 23:32, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Mvasileva. Wikipedia is different from almost any other website, and there is a lot to learn, in order to edit it. Please read and study Your first article, which will answer many of your questions. But a couple of things I will say are: Nobody in the world, not even Jimmy Wales, has a "profile" on Wikipedia. That is not what we do here. What we have are encyclopaedia articles, which summarise what people who have no connection with the subject have published about them. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject (or their friend, relatives, employers, or associates) have said about themselves, and no interest at all in how they wish to be portrayed. It is only interested in what those independent people have published about them.

As for the photo, I would advise you not even to bother about a photo until you have got the important things right in the article (the important things are citations to reliable sources and a neutral tone). But when you do, I'm afraid there are also restrictions on images, because of copyright. It's not enough for your client to sent you a photo. The owner of the copyright in the photo (who might be your client, but is more likely to be the photographer) must explicitly release the copyright under a licence such as CC-BY-SA (which allows anybody to reuse it for any purpose). See Help:Upload.

I'm sorry to be negative, but you (like many people) seem to have come here for your client's benefit and not for Wikipedia's --ColinFine (talk) 00:06, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

To answer your first question, your user page is about you and what you are doing at Wikipedia. Your private space to practice stuff is your Sandbox. Draft articles are sent to Articles for Creation (AfC) for consideration.

On the DJ Chao topic, a non-famous person does not qualify as a topic for a Wikipedia article just because they do their job. Dr. Chao has a perfectly good website. But I did not see mention of independently written articles about him. David notMD (talk) 12:09, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

help with The "Caesarea Edmond Benjamin de Rothschild Development Corporation"

i tried to write an article about "Caesarea Edmond Benjamin de Rothschild Development Corporation":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lev.daniel#Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation%3A_The_Caesarea_Edmond_Benjamin_de_Rothschild_Development_Corporation_.28November_17.29

pepole who read the sandbox tells it seams to be an advertisment, i disagree, i think its a good article, very relayble.

can someone here please help me?

Lev.daniel (talk) 13:12, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

@Lev.daniel: First of all, you need links to reliable sources independent of the company to support claims made in the article and prove the company is "notable". This is a more pressing issue than advertising-like writing or English mistakes, which are problems that can be fixed; the absence of sources cannot be fixed if they do not exist.

This being said... Literally the first sentence of the draft right now is The Caesarea Edmond Benjamin de Rothschild Development Corporation is the executive branch of the Caesarea Rothschild Foundation, continues the philanthropic path of the Rothschild family. In the third and last sentence of the (very short) lead there is also this is an exceptional and unprecedented model of an economic company. (emphasis mine in both cases)

Please see WP:PEACOCK for why this is a no-no in Wikipedia, but honestly, if you cannot tell how this reads like an advertisement, you really should read carefully our policies about writing with a neutral point of view before attempting further edits. Are you related to the company? Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 13:30, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

How and where to add a reference

Hello, I submitted a draft for a page and it was rejected because I did not add any references. Besides the website for the organization, all of the other notes came from internal documents. How should I add the reference so the draft can be approved?

Thanks. (96.68.247.213 (talk) 22:34, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

If you are saying that there are no published reliable sources independent of the subject, then there can be no article. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:36, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

As a relative newby, perhaps I can just add to David Biddulph's (correct) response. I started out here 2 months ago much like you. I proposed draft page for review that I had a personal interest in with no understanding of Wikipedia's goals, criteria or standards. Unsurprisingly, my draft page was quickly and justifiably rejected too. I've learned a lot since then. My advice is:

put aside your self-interest (or that of your organisation) for the moment and try to see things from the perspective of Wikipedia volunteers; they have good reasons for making sure that information offered to the public meets certain standards (such as relevance, reliability and neutrality). They have the responsibility to make sure that Wikipedia does not become a 'dumping ground' for people/organizations that are primarily motivated by self-interests to add or edit content. It took me quite a while to really see things from this perspective.
take the time to read the help pages and guidelines from this perspective; you will have received links to the main ones in the reviewer's response
a key point is that the content of all Wikipedia entries must be verifiable through references to independent, reliable sources. This means that the role an author/editor is simply to find sources, include references to them and decide which information from these sources only is useful to include in the page. The main purpose of the page is to summarise the sourced information and to provide references to these where more detailed information is given.
if (as David points out) there are sufficient independent and reliable sources (newspaper articles, business journals, etc) that indicate that outside world is interested in your organization, ask for help from other editors (perhaps as a coach) in drafting a page that meets the criteria and standards. If you work for this organization, you have a potential 'conflict of interest'. For this reason alone it would be wise to ask other (independent) editors to review, discuss and contribute to the draft page.

This is probably not what you want to hear (nor did I) but I hope it helps. Mikemorrell49 (talk) 13:40, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Adding articles on South African Musicians, Films, Albums e.t.c

Hi, How can i go about editing and creating pages/articles on South African topics such as singers, actresses, films, television e.t.c

SadeK (talk) 14:44, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey SadeK. You probably want to start by reviewing our tutorial on writing your first article or consider taking our interactive tutorial at The Wikipedia Adventure. GMG ^talk 14:50, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

How do i know if a certain topic about South Africa is relevant to be included on Wikipedia SadeK (talk) 14:55, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey SadeK. Where a subject is from is generally not terribly important. Rather, the metric we use is our notability standards for bands and musicians. If the subject meets those standards, and it can be verified using sources that meet our standards for reliability, then the subject is usually appropriate for an article on Wikipedia. GMG ^talk 15:03, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Feedback needed for a draft. Thanks!

Dear all,

I am new to creating contents on Wikipedia, so I am not very well-versed as other users. Since the decline of the first draft, I have made some revisions on "Health Ecosystem". Would you please kindly give me some feedback on what to improve?

Here is the link to the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Health_Ecosystem

Thanks!

Yours sincerely, a.w.i.auA.w.i.au (talk) 12:14, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

One thing you need to do is to remove all the misplaced external links. Other editors can give further advice. Note also that it is better for your question to include a wikilink like Draft:Health Ecosystem, rather than a URL like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Health_Ecosystem . --David Biddulph (talk) 12:46, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Do you mean the links in the "Practice" section? The links in this section mean to direct readers to the description page of the established "ecosystem". In this case, should I still remove those links? ;A.w.i.au (talk) 13:39, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

I haven't read any of your sources but the titles look as if they are very relevant. I'm a newby but I agree with the reviewer's comment that the page presents the "author's point of view rather than to summarize the points of view of reliable sources". In other words, you give some good references but the way in which you've 'joined the dots' is from your own perspective rather than from the perspective of the sources. My suggestion would be to edit the text so that you summarize the key points (and points of view) presented in your sources. Don't give your own opinion/analysis of what a Health ecosystem is or isn't (or what it should be). Let your sources 'speak for themselves'. State (neutrally, as an observer) that (for example) "In [ref] author xxxxx is of the opinion that ..... This is supported/contradicted/expanded on by author yyyyy in [ref]. "Both xxxxx[ref] and yyyyy[ref] agree that that the following are key components of any Health Ecosystem .... Future directions for the evolution of Health Eecosystems are presented in {ref 1, ref2]. In summary these are: ...." Of course you (together with collaborating editors) need to decide which information from your sources to include and how in the draft page. Hope this helps, Mikemorrell49 (talk) 14:08, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi, A.w.i.au. I can also add a few observations which build on previous comments: Most significantly, I'm afraid it currently reads rather like a student essay or synthesis by an insider of a few papers. It also fails to address the fact that there seem to be far more articles online which use the term Healthcare ecosystem, and I would certainly expect both terms to be used in the lead. Or are you intentionally promoting one term in favour of the other? Personally, I think this topic could be quite effectively addressed in just a few lines within the existing article on Health system, or possibly within a new section on that page. I would respectfully suggest the following is roughly what you should consider saying:

"The terms 'Health ecosystem' and 'Healthcare ecosystem' have both been used to describe the very complex and dynamic relationships existing between the many organisations, individuals, and environments involved in maintaining a modern healthcare system. These terms reflect the highly complex and delicately-balanced relationships that exist in natural ecosystems. These agents typically include....."

Then just add in a few references, and you've said almost exactly what's in your draft, but in a way that a typical user of this encyclopaedia can digest. If you do decide to proceed with your draft, be prepared for a WP:MERGE proposal at some point. Other points to consider would be linking to salutogenesis and removing the identical reference after every keyword. Put just one ref at the end of a line. You will also need a WP:HATNOTE to point readers towards the similar-sounding, but utterly different, Ecosystem health. Finally, are you confident the chart you uploaded was published and released under a Commons licence? I'm sorry to sound negative on all this. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:18, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

How can I create an election poll graph?

Hey all! I have noticed that in nearly all articles concerning european elections, there is a graph showing the poll's results. How can one create such a graph? Is there a tool within the WP or should someone create it in an extra-WP page and upload the picture afterwards? Thank you. Τζερόνυμο (talk) 10:43, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

@Τζερόνυμο: You might be interested by the Template:electiontable; that's not a graph, but I am not sure you should make a graph (check on the article talk page, after reading the rest of my comment).

I had a bit of trouble finding a graph used in Wikipedia, so if you have any in mind please point to the article. The one in Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election is a still picture (the article includes File:Opinion_polling_for_the_2022_UK_general_election.png), generated by an external tool. If you go that route, be wary that including a trend line might fall afoul of WP:OR/WP:NPOV; it is easy, even involuntarily, to pick generating parameters that suggest that one party is better/worse than another set of parameters would make it look like. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 17:40, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Recommendations for this company page?

I'm writing the page for a company called "Xometry" and am trying to get it through the review stage - are there any recommendations you would give for it? I've cleaned up the tone and sources because it was rejected for not sounding formal enough. Any help that could be provided would be very beneficial!Sgarg01 (talk) 15:24, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Dear Sgarg01, welcome to Wikipedia. You need to avoid any words that are marketing related or do not simply say what is meant (for example: "he went into the heavenly light" instead of simply saying "he died", example from the article: "on-demand manufacturing network" instead of "webshop"). To make it easy, I suggest rewriting it and using small sentences. Try to avoid any words a 12 year old would not use. That way it becomes easy to detect promotional language. Let us start at the first sentence. It needs to say what the company is. Currently I cannot easily deduce what the company is or does. It needs to be a simply "x is y" sentence. So "Xometry is an American online shop." would work. Avoid promotional words like "The company's web platform (=website) uses machine learning to provide (=give) customers (=can be completely removed without changing anything) with instant (promotional, can be removed without changing anything) quotes... Etc. Could be written as "the website produces quotes and is self learning". Sry if this article is completely not my topic of interest, but I hope you get the general idea. I hope this helps. All the best, Taketa (talk) 17:15, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Sgarg01 and a welcome from me to Wikipedia too. I'm still very much a newby here too (2 months). From my own experience, I understand your wish to get a page published, the challenges that presents and the difficulty you might have in making use of the standard (=impersonal) links to guidelines and tips that reviewers provide. I've given some tips at the Tea House to other newbies that might be relevant for you too. Click on my name, then contributions and look at the ones on the tea house. My experience is is that there are no real shortcuts to learning more about Wikipedia's goals, criteria for new entries and quality standards. These are there to safeguard the relevance, reliability and neutrality that Wikipedia provides to the public. For example by filtering out 'advertisements', personal opinions and content that is unsupported by reliable, independent sources. It's a completely different perspective than wanting (through personal interest or that of an organization) to get a page published.

I have a bit of a technical background and my gut feeling is that Xometry is an innovative company in its field and because of that perhaps worth a mention on Wikipedia. Not so much because of the company name but because of the innovation. My feeling is that your sources are very light on the significance of the innovation (if it is significant). The sources I've browsed through summarise press releases, financial (investment, profit) announcements and non-critical interviews (including Forbes!) with executives. Don't get me wrong, I completely understand your wish to find and reference published sources. But a source that unquestioningly summarises/repeats 'corporate PR' (because it too needs news/content) is questionable in terms of reliability.

My advice is:

to focus on what makes Xometery 'notable' in Wikipedia (innovation?)
to try to find independent, reliable sources that indicate that Xometry's innovation is significant. If they don't yet exist, wait until they do.
to focus your entry/references on this significance rather than on generic 'company blurb' (background info but not the justifaction for an entry)

hope this helps, Mike Mikemorrell49 (talk) 23:03, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

My article entitled, Dr. Marvin Tile

I submitted this article a few days ago, but it is not released yet, as far as I can tell. It is not searchable on Google. So what causes that to happen? Just wait? Is there going to be a discussion? Does someone have to see it first and then they load it?

Katsheron (talk) 23:17, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

New articles are NOINDEXed until they have been patrolled through the New page patrol process. There are currently thirteen and a half thousand articles awaiting patrol, and a backlog of over 8 months. If it hasn't been patrolled within 90 days the NOINDEX ing will be removed. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:41, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

How to report IPs to get range blocked

There is a range of IP address that will constantly make edits on A-League and 2017–18 A-League to change Soccer to Football. (It is known as soccer in Australia). The range is from an organisation so it will be people doing it at the workplace. I know the IPs for that workplace can be blocked as my own workplace is but not sure how to report it. NZFC^(talk) 00:22, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Appears Gilliam has noticed the edits as I see they has blocked one of the IPs for a week and another for two years. If anyone wants to have a look at User Talk: 203.24.1.137, I think they are based at same workplace as they have made the same disruptive edits. NZFC^(talk) 02:36, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Watchlist / Email Notifications

Hello everybody,

What preferences do I need to set so that I get an email notifications if an article on my watchlist is changed? I couldn´t find it out :-/

Thank you very much! F.Blaubiget (talk) 04:47, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Dear F.Blaubiget, on the top of the page go to "preferences". Go to section "User Profile". On the bottom there is the option "Email me when a page or a file on my watchlist is changed". Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 05:05, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Dear Taketa, This is the answer (I only checked the settings at Watchlist and Notifications...). Thank you very much for helping and the clear description. Hartelijk dank!--F.Blaubiget (talk) 06:20, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Whom can I talk to about deleted articles?

Hello

On Wikipedia, there is an article that talks about a popular anime (a kind of Japanese shows) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Hero_Academia) and there is another article that lists the characters in that anime with a brief description of each character(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_My_Hero_Academia_characters).

I decided to write an article on one of the popular characters from that anime. In my article, I talked about that character in more detail taking special care to gather and write accurate information about that character and making sure to cite all my sources. I gathered my information from the anime's official website and from the anime the character is from.

However, a notice was put on my article immediately after I published it saying how it should be deleted right away because it might be about a real person but the article does not credibly indicate why or how the topic is important. I contested that in the article's talk page stating that it's about an anime character and how I have cited all my sources. I also stated how I don't believe it should be deleted, but I would be more than happy to get advice from experienced Wikipedians on how I might improve it. Unfortunately, my article was deleted.

What I would like to know is:

1)Based on your knowledge of Wikipedia's rules, do you think this article should have been deleted?

2) What should I do next? Should I just give up on it? Or is there someone I could talk to who could take a look at the article and decide if it really should have been deleted or not?

Thank you so much for your time and your constructive feedback.Langotaku (talk) 01:30, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Dear Langotaku,

welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for volunteering your free time to help spread knowledge about this topic.

Unfortunately I have doubts whether the topic is relevant enough for an article. It is mentioned on the list of characters of the anime as a side character. In general even main characters have a hard time getting an article of their own, since most information can be put in the relevant list. As such, it is necesary to prove the relevance by showing sources. The website of the anime itself is not enough. Ofcourse the anime itself will describe the characters. This only proves they exist, not that they are sufficiently in the public eye to get an article. You need to show enutral sources, such as books or notable reviews, that focus in debt and specifically on this single character. See WP:FICT and WP:NCHAR for more information about relevance.

If you wish to discuss the deletion with someone you can talk to the deleting admin User talk:Casliber or the person who proposed the speedy deletion User talk:Velella. If you wish to recreate the article, I suggest you start with a Draft version. See Wikipedia:Drafts for more information.

Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 05:27, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello Langotaku, I'm no expert on speedy deletes but I believe that the A7 category applies to real people, not fictional characters. So perhaps it should have survived the speedy delete given your response on the talk page. It's likely it would have been deleted by another process due to the notability issue explained above by Taketa. Gab4gab (talk) 10:39, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Upload Boigraphy

I am a Bengal Cricketer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.207.56.126 (talk) 10:38, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not social media for users to upload their biographies. This is an encyclopedia, where article subjects must be shown with independent reliable sources to be notable. It is highly discouraged(though not forbidden) to write an autobiography. Without knowing who you are, it is difficult to know if you meet the notability guidelines listed at WP:NCRICKET, but if you do, it would be best if you let others write the article about you. However, if you believe you can write an encyclopedic article with the required neutral viewpoint, you should do so using Articles for Creation. 331dot (talk) 10:42, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Rename page and switch redirects

Windermere Steamboat Museum has been renamed Windermere Jetty. How can I change the page name of Windermere Steamboat Museum to Windermere Jetty? How can I set Windermere Steamboat Museum to redirect to Windermere Jetty? Thanks :) ▲RedScrees (talk) 19:53, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey ▲RedScrees.

Done GMG ^talk 20:13, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

what the heck is going on with the infobox template?

Is there a bug or something? — goethean 16:38, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey goethean. I'm afraid you're probably going to have to be more specific. There are a great many infobox templates. GMG ^talk 16:48, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Here's a screenshot of what I see at the bottom of Camp Douglas (Chicago) See at the bottom where it says [hide] v t e ? Same thing on Friedrich Schelling — goethean 17:23, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

When I log out, It's fine. — goethean 17:54, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Geez goethean. I honestly have no idea. It looks like Template:Chicago misbehaving, but that hasn't been edited since February and there isn't any intermediary redirect that could have been vandalized. Have you tried purging the page to see if it fixes it? GMG ^talk 18:21, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

This happens sometimes when the page is not fully loaded (the CSS part). If it's fine when you logged, it's probably related to your account Preferences > Skin. I suspected it was a problem with Custom CSS but it doesn't seem to be the case here. Alex Shih (talk) 18:59, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

I switched from Monobook to Cologne Blue and that fixed it. I think it's an issue with the Monobook skin. — goethean 19:15, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

@Goethean: The pages look fine to me in MonoBook. It may be a problem with the MonoBook skin files downloaded by your computer. You can try to clear your entire cache. By the way, boxes at the bottom with links to related pages are called navboxes or navigation templates. Infoboxes are at the top right and have information about the subject of the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:34, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Removing my custom monobook.js and then bypassing the cache seems to have fixed the issue. — goethean 21:41, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Important!

Mvasileva (talk) 16:43, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello team, Hope you’re well. My question is, when you go under the profile I tried to build last week. Profile name is “David J. Chao” Is the only problem the references I have provided or it’s the entire text including the Biography, Career, Honors, awards, distinction and External links? Please let me know. Thank you so much! Mvasileva (talk) 16:43, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Dear Mvasileva, welcome to Wikipedia! Feel free to explore the website and write about subjects that are relevant to an encyclopedia. I see a recent article you created was deleted. It was deleted because the text was already published on another website. Copying text from another website is not allowed. We have to obey copyright and cannot simply copy someone elses work. You have to write your own texts. Moreover, text from other websites (which are not encyclopedias) are not written in an encyclopedic style. They are not correct for Wikipedia. So in short, please feel welcome at Wikipedia. But write everything yourself. All the best, Taketa (talk) 17:04, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

As models, I suggest you look at Wikipedia articles about other physicians, for example Robert A. Good. David notMD (talk) 19:11, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi team, Mvasileva (talk) 21:06, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Hope you're well.

The page I created last week under "David J. Chao" was not approved and was deleted today. (or I think it was deleted). I would like to work on the whole profile for David Chao again, and build the profile in the correct way, following all the rules and regulations of Wikipedia. So my question is, is my profile completely deleted or I can still work on it and resend it for another approval? What's your advice? Many thanks, Mvasileva (talk) 21:06, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

@Mvasileva: Wikipedia does not have "profiles", it has articles about subjects shown with independent reliable sources (read more at WP:RS) to be notable(WP:N). Please read those pages I linked to as well as Your First Article before attempting to write an article. You may also wish to make edits to existing articles first which will help you learn more. 331dot (talk) 21:30, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Please read what you were told in answer to your previous questions at #Help please!, #One more question, and #Important!. There is no point in asking questions if you don't read the answers. To summarise some of the answers, we do not have "profiles", we have "articles", and we are legally not allowed to have copyright violations, which is why David J. Chao and Draft:David Chao have both been deleted. If you are going to try again, you must use your own words instead of copying from something already published. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:34, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Also, if you ever do manage to create a valid article about David J. Chao, MD, other editors will be able to add newsworthy items, too. For example, in 2010 federal agents from the Drug Enforcement Agency served a search warrant on Dr. Chao's medical practice because he wrote more than 100 prescriptions to himself, and was suspected of giving those pain meds to patients. He had previously been fined for unlawfully written narcotics prescriptions. And there are some alcohol-related incidents that are in newspaper articles. David notMD (talk) 12:56, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Right. I earlier cast doubt on Chao's notability. But now I've read this and this. They do more to establish his notability than anything cited in Mvasileva's draft. Maproom (talk) 22:57, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

How to create a userpage

Girdlast888 (talk) 23:24, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

@Girdlast888: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. To create a userpage, first review the userpage guidelines at WP:USERPAGE, then you can click your username above, or at the top of the screen to access it, then edit. 331dot (talk) 23:28, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

WAM

I don't get the WAM (Wikipedia Asian Month) thingy. I try to edit some articles but it doesn't let me add. Sometimes, when I search an article up on the edit site, it says THERE ARE NO ARTICLES WITH THIS NAME!!!!! And then, I search it up on the Wikipedia home page and it's there!!!!! Someone please help me figure out this problem!

Angel For Life (talk) 20:21, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Angel For Life. Welcome to the Teahouse. Would you mind giving some examples of topics you searched on without success, but then found later, please? Normally I would suspect this would be just an error in typing, but it would help to know what exactly you were trying to do, or any error messages you received. You should be able to make edits to existing articles, but your account is not quite old enough yet (4 days minimum), nor have you made enough edits (10 minimum) to current articles for you to be 'autoconfirmed', which would allow you to create articles from scratch. Was that what you were trying to do? (One other cause of being unable to make even a minor edit to an existing article is if you were first trying to edit either from a blocked IP address (is not logged on with your username), or via a proxy server used by a Web browser (like Puffin browser), but then you'd see a rather alarming message, like this one. The more you can explain what you were doing, the more we can try to help you. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:53, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Nick Moyes. Thank you for taking your time to read this and tell me how to figure this out. Well, I wasn't really sure what I was doing. This is my first time entering the WAM organization. I was rather confused. I just pressed random buttons and I reached a site. I can't get to it anymore though but there was like a page where it shows all the people that edited a page related to Asian things. It also showed how many credits these people got for editing these articles. So, there was a search bar and I started searching up some stuff. At the bottom right corner, there were two buttons that said "Cancel" and "Add". SO I searched up Maggie Fu and it said there are no article with this name. And then I searched up a band called Mayday, but it would not let me add (the "Cancel" button was bright, and the "Add" button was dim.). Today, I searched for the site again, hoping I could get back to it and figure it out, but it wasn't there anymore. It was like it never existed. I even bookmarked the page, but it's not in the bookmarks bar. Is it because my computer has a virus or something? Or is it just because the whole thing ended? I am getting more confused by the moment, so I guess I'll just stop here. Sincerely, Angel For Life (talk) 18:22, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi again, Angel For Life. I'm not sure how much I can help you - but I'll do my best. Firstly, pushing random buttons rarely does any harm, but you can get lost. You can always find (and even undo) any of your edits by checking your own user contributions. (See here). You did add your name to Wikipedia:Wikipedia Asian Month/Participants, but someone removed it. I've replaced your name there. The numbers on that page are purely sequential. I'll follow up with a bit more info shortly (after moving over to a laptop from a mobile for easier typing). Nick Moyes (talk) 23:47, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Part 2: From the Participants page, you'll see a blue link just below the page title on the left - that'll take you to the main Wikipedia:Wikipedia Asian Month page, from where a blue "submit contributions" button takes you to a tool showing the ranking of participating editors in this month-long challenge to improve coverage on Asian topics (see here). They do need to be logged on to that tools page to add their articles to the Asian Month competition. I suspect the search bar you found was one to select an article and to submit it for inclusion in the Asian Month competition. You can call up any article from that bar - including Mayday, but I can't find Maggie Fu, just Maggie Furey. To be frank, I wouldn't worry about getting lost in this month-long competition. It does have another 8 days to go, so why you could bookmark a page and then not retrieve it again is something I can't explain. It's not likely to be a virus, though. (Always worth installing/running anti-virus programmes anyway.) As you're a new user, my best advice is to learn the basics of editing existing articles that interest you. (Most sensible editors start off this way!) Try doing the The Wikipedia Adventure (providing you're not using a mobile or tablet), or reading Help:Getting_started. Later on, editors with a bit more experience might want to create a new article, but there are hurdles or notability and referencing to appreciate. Find out more by reading Wikipedia- Your First Article. Just to finish: won't worry that you get a bit lost - there's always someone here willing to try to help people. We've all been lost ourselves at one time, I can assure you! Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:29, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Citations from PDF publications to be used as webpage or book?

I have a question regarding Citations. I have am fixing a citations and have found the source, It is a PDF document published online by the university in question. Does this constitute a webpage or book? First time user.

--BENRY (talk) 00:16, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi BENRY. It doesn't actually make much of a difference, but unless it's a digital copy of a printed book (or excerpt from it), I would go with {{Cite web}}. – Joe (talk) 00:26, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks User:Joe I was a little confused as it was a published newsletter but I had the electronic version. Made the edit and tried to make it as solid as possible incase of LinkRot -BENRY (talk) 00:50, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Submitting article for review/request

Hi- I'm trying to submit an article of a company for review. I can't figure out the article wizard. I need to disclose my relationship with the company. I am also ok with submitting a request for someone else to write the article but I can't figure that out either as I'm unfamiliar with source code and it doesn't seem to let me enter the request with a visual edit. Eszgordon (talk) 21:31, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Eszgordon, welcome to the Teahouse. I presume your query relates to Draft:Framebridge which you successfully drafted, and which Joe Decker appears to have submitted to Articles for Creation for you. I presume this what what you intended? There are two policies you should read regarding declaring conflicts of interest and links to a company about which you want to see an article created by someone else. The first is Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure, whilst for requesting articles you should visit Wikipedia:Requested articles. However, if you look at this subpage: Wikipedia:Requested articles/Business and economics/Companies/F-L, you'll see that an anonymous IP user has already added Framebridge to that list back on [September 2016]. It looks like you simply need to wait for one of our hard-working volunteers to get round to working through our huge backlog. Meanwhile, may I suggest you continue to work on your draft, reading this policy (WP:PROMOTION), and stripping out everything that is clearly designed to promote the company, stand back, and ask yourself whether what's left sounds neutral and non-promotional in tone (as befits an encyclopedia of notable topics), and whether you have addressed that key issue of using [[WP:RS|reliable third-party sources, and not using insider business sources to support notability. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 02:12, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

how to document awards for a country music artist

i've been working on a biography for Slim Andrews which my grandson, ishy flynn, posted yesterday. there are several awards in the awards section that slim has received over the years and he has documentation for them, but we don't know how to document them for the article. 74.69.244.74 (talk) 01:47, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi 74.69.244.74.Thanks for posting to the Teahouse. I'm going to ping this reply in to @Jfmusic26: so he gets an alert. I get the sense that he might be closely connected to Slim Andrews in some way. If so, this could lead to a conflict of interest, and this is most noticeable because of the inclusion of far too much detailed trivia, some unsupported by any references. It would help to strip all that stuff away and to remember this is an encyclopaedia on notable topics, not a place to post original research, or stuff that someone knows but can't prove through reliable, third-party sources. So, only include facts in the article that you can verify from reliable sources. Regarding awards, just support each awards with a references at the end to where they are reported in books, newspaper or other media, just as one would to support any other fact. You should leave out all the minor awards.

At a very quick check I think he might just meet our notability guidelines for musicians, see WP:MUSICBIO, but do read this and ensure independent references clearly support at least one of these criteria. There are lots of musicians out there, young and old, and very few reach these criteria. Those that don't get put forward to be considered for deletion, I'm afraid. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 03:07, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Kyle West

My father, music producer/songwriter Kyle West has worked with many big name artists for 30 years. Recently writing for Mariah Carey, Chris Brown, over the years working with Diana Ross, Donell Jones, Al Green, Rod Stewart, Al B. Sure! among many others. He has credits all over wikipedia and even a "Songs Written By Kyle West" category. I wanted to see if my dad is worthy of a wikipedia entry. There are sources for him on IMDB, All Music, and various publications that I can contribute if an editor is interested. Also on the "Songs Written By Kyle West" entry there is a song he is listed here o wikipedia as a writer for, that went to #1 on the R&B Billboard Charts, "Right Now" by Al B Sure, that should be added to that entry. Any chance my dad merits an entry.Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Netsfan4ever (talk • contribs) 05:40, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello Netsfan4ever. Welcome to the Wikipedia Teahouse. I'm tempted to suggest we will only help you if he agrees to write a hit song about Wonderful Wikipedia for us - but that wouldn't be fair! More seriously, you obviously appreciate the issues we always have around Conflict of Interest, and the challenges of writing a biography of a living person in a neutral tone based on thirdparty sources, independant if the subject.

So, my advice would be to gather together all those reliable sources in your own user sandbox and then to post the key links and v brief summary in the relevant sub-category at Wikipedia:Requested articles. There's no guarantee it will be picked up immediately. But its the best way of helping, whilst also avoiding that perceived conflict. Two other things you could then do: a) post a note on the Talk page of the most appropriate, and active page related to his work; b) take your own photo of him and release it to Wikimedia Commons. There's nothing to stop you doing that now, providing its not somebody else's photo. (Come back if you need any help on that). Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:26, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Much appreciated Nick, I don't think my dad would have a problem writing a Wikipedia Song. lol. So can I assume links to articles on my father's biography is good enough to put in my sandbox? Again, he has various mentions of existing Wikipedia articles, or a website that posted his 30 years of music credits. Would those be a reliable enough sources Nick? I can give you the link directly if you'd like to first see if an article on him is worthy. Thank you Nick

Adding the ref name field when using Visual Editor

I have a question of my own this time: When inserting references via the Visual Editor, is there a way to insert my own preferred ref name (i.e.<ref name="word of my choice">)? I can find no ref name field offered in the additional optional fields to insert, nor when selecting "Re-use" a reference in Visual Editor, either. The latter step only inserts "<ref name=":0">" and so on. The only time I really use VE is to automate the process of creating a full citation from a url, and it seems odd to have to resort back to wikimarkup just to get around this issue. So am I missing something, or is this an issue worth feeding back on to the development team? Nick Moyes (talk) 11:48, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Nick Moyes. This has been frustrating to many editors. It is on the current community wish list at m:2017 Community Wishlist Survey/Editing. Voting starts November 27. StarryGrandma (talk) 15:04, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, StarryGrandma. That's a relief to know. I'd looked at the VE feedback page - which looked mightily overcomplicated, but hadn't thought to check out the current wishlist proposals. Much appreciated. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:00, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Unassessed Articles

Hello, using this article as an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Jordan

The article is Unassessed, yet it was created on 16 February 2012‎, why is it Unassessed? I have been doing some studying on assessments and I was unable to find a reason for a five year article to remain 'Unassessed'. Thank you Vwanweb (talk) 21:01, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey Vwanweb. Normally it just means no one has bothered to assess it yet. Out of about five and half million articles, there are actually very many that haven't been assessed. Besides that, I wouldn't worry terribly about it. Article assessments other than the top tier Good Articles and Features Articles tend to be fairly random and not very well held to an objective and consistent standard. GMG ^talk 21:05, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi GreenMeansGo, thanks for help and the realization that there are over five million articles awaiting assessments. I will follow your guidance, I won't worry about it! Just wish the wikipedia assessment writings would reflect an example of an article that may take years for assessment. My readings so far have documented that assessments are performed once a week? Thank you very much for taking the time to help me, I appreciate it. Vwanweb (talk) 21:18, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Actually Vwanweb, it looks like the total is 577,638 total articles that have not been assessed for quality. The 5.5 million number is round about the total number of article on the project. See also Wikipedia:WikiProject assessment. GMG ^talk 21:29, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

I am, I believe, the main contributor to Leon Jordan although several other editors have also contributed. I think he was a fascinating man, and I invite any editor, including you, Vwanweb, to either assess or improve the article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:55, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

This deletion debate is very relevant to this discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leon Jordan. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:59, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

How do I turn off keyboard shortcuts?

I want to disable WP:Keyboard shortcuts, but can't figure out how to. Is there something I have to do in my preferences? I see people talked about disabling them in the talk page, but I couldn't quite follow the instructions. Thanks! Umimmak (talk) 19:40, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

@Umimmak: Welcome to the Teahouse! To disable the keyboard shortcuts, go to your preferences, then select the Gadgets tab, and check the box next to "Disable access keys" (the third item from the top). Hope this helps! –FlyingAce^✈hello 15:55, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, FlyingAce that worked perfectly! I feel a bit silly for not having been able to find that myself now hahaUmimmak (talk) 19:42, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

How Do I Recommend Adding An Article?

In Andy Weir's new book, "Artemis", he mentions that supplies are brought to the moon by a "Uphoff-Crouch cycler". This is a real thing, complete with NASA papers. But it has no article on wikipedia, and it cries out for an animation. Unfortunately, I'm not qualified to write such an article. It really would be a good thing to add to wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.250.211.66 (talk) 19:18, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Try WP:Requested articles. A lad insane talk 19:31, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Or you could look for an existing article - try Lunar cycler. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:27, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Why was my draft about Evolution:criticism not accepted

I made an article about Evolution: criticism but it seemed like it wasn't upto standard. Can anyone help me on how to improve it. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdulbasetkurd (talk • contribs) 22:19, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Abdulbasetkurd. In short, what you have written reads like a personal reflection on the theory of evolution, not an encyclopaedia article. Moreover, we already have many articles on this topic, including evolution, objections to evolution, creation–evolution controversy, level of support for evolution, and acceptance of evolution by religious groups. It would be better if you helped improve those rather than duplicating them by starting a new article. Please remember that all contributions to Wikipedia must adhere to a neutral point of view and be supported by reliable sources, though. – Joe (talk) 22:36, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Ready to be re-submitted?

Hi Teahouse. I did some work on my article Draft:Fig Tree Books LLC and was wondering what you think. Is it ready? Had notability issues but I reorganized links and cited sources, thinking it's okay now. Please have a look and let me know. Thank you! StephenAdams (talk) 21:54, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, StephenAdams, welcome to the Teahouse. As you were told by the person who declined your initial submission, we are indeed a friendly helpful lot over here (or at least we try to be). I've taken a look at your draft, and you've managed as a brand new editor to put together a reasonably fairly well-formatted page. It is interesting, well-written and succinct enough to tell a story. The problem is, however, that everyone creating a new article here has two big hurdles to get over when they compile any new page. It first has to meet our Notability Guidelines - in the case of your page, WP:ORG especially applies. You've already had feedback to say that all topics need reliable, in-depth coverage by third-party sources, not just a passing mention. And you need references to support this. You've certainly put in lots of references, but the only one I can see is the first reference, supporting the statement "They are the only independent publisher in the U.S. focusing exclusively on Jewish literary works". i.e. this one. To be frank, I don't see this as in-depth coverage, and the rest of the references you cite I can discount as they simply support other statements of fact, but none seem central to the point of establishing notability of the company. For that reason, I would say your reworked article is very likely to be rejected again as it stands, and that it would be better to wait until such time as the company does feature in detail in major media coverage. Of course, my opinion could be wrong, but I suspect most would agree with this assessment. You might like to look at the articles that made this list, and compare their coverage and how they might have met notability guidelines: List of independent bookstores in the United States. Of course, Wikipedia regularly deletes articles which have slipped through the net and don't meet our guidelines. These are discussed at Articles for Deletion. Hope this is of help. Sorry I can't offer more positive thoughts. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:31, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

I notice that while Fig Tree Books is a US publisher of books relevant to "the American Jewish Experience," there is also Fig Tree, a completely unconnected imprint of Penguin Random House UK. specialising in modern literature and society, and potentially with some overlap of subject matter. I'd suggest that the article should mention this and differentiate the two to avoid confusion. That aside, I'd be surprised if over the last 12 years there hadn't been sufficient coverage in Reliable Sources of a publisher like Fig Tree Books as to establish their Notability, perhaps in specialist Book Trade journals, US counterparts to the UK's The Bookseller, for example. I'd advise the OP to keep digging. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.208.173.186 (talk) 12:21, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Just to follow up on the previous comment to say that "keeping on digging" is absolutely the right way to go when researching any topic one is passionate about. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:04, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

invasive species in western ghats india it is missing

i tried in sand box help me to do the best 1st article or even u can create and help me Pavan 14 (talk) 23:46, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

@Pavan 14: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There are no other contributions listed under your username (aside from your post here). Perhaps you did so under an IP address or different username? In any event, successfully creating a new article is probably the most difficult thing to do on Wikipedia. It takes much time and practice. New users who dive right in to it often end up disappointed when their work is mercilessly edited, criticized, and deleted. Users who are most successful at article creation took time to learn the ropes of editing by working on existing articles, making small changes at first. If you still want to attempt to create an article, you should read Your First Article and then visit Articles for Creation to submit a draft for review.

You can post a request to create a page at Requested Articles, but it is extremely backlogged and likely won't be seen for some time. 331dot (talk) 00:38, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Looking at the Western Ghats page, a new section on invasive species would fit in there. Providing you had the references, you could start adding something yourself (though not long lists of taxa, please). Or you could list the sources you do have and post suggestions on the article's Talk page for others to make the improvements. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:55, 24 November 2017 (UTC)