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nominate article

how to nominate a good article?--Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2 (talk) 22:59, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, Super ninja2. Everything you need to know about this is at Wikipedia:Good article nominations/Instructions. Cordless Larry (talk) 23:07, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

how to repeat a reference

I listed the same reference twice. How do you make it so that reference [6] can be repeated, rather than making the repeated reference the next number [7]. Hope this is understood as I phrased it. thanks!Td49 (talk) 23:46, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Td49, to do this, you need to define a reference by naming it, e.g. Then when you want to use it again, simply put and the reference will come up with the same number. Happy editing and Merry Christmas! Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 23:51, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

References

Questions about the use of tabloids in BLPs.

I heard tabloid sources aren't allowed in BIography of Living Persons articles, but "DailyMail", a well known tabloid newspaper, has provided me, on two seperate occasions, nothing but two seperate videos of a press conference. In that conference, they say helpful information about my topic. Can I now use DailyMail as a source for my BLP? Depthburg (talk) 06:56, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, Depthburg.

There's no way to give a blanket answer. Articles in the popular press may be sufficiently reliable to be used for certain kinds of factual information pertaining to popular culture and yet be completely unacceptable for areas that require more rigorous references, such as health or scientific topics. In my experience, about all you can say about press conferences was that so-and-so claimed such-and-such. Sometimes that's sufficient, sometimes it's not. When the information is controversial and about a living person, that kind of source is generally going to be rejected.  —jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:33, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

If the press conference involves the subject of the article (or people connected with the subject) talking about the subject, then it isn't a reliable source. We need coverage by "independent" sources. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:37, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

@Depthburg: I can't believe I am about to offer a different view to David Biddulph, but here goes: a press conference involves the subject of the article may be reliable for a statement like "he/she made the following statement". But it's not independent, so it must meet ALL of the criteria at WP:ABOUTSELF. Independent sources are preferred, but not always possible.--Gronk Oz (talk) 09:50, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm very sorry but I forgot to mention that this video is Virginia State Police talking about a suspected killer of a girl and where her body was found. Would this make a difference?

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/justice/2016/01/31/missing-teen-arrest-va-bts.wdbj

Depthburg (talk) 10:57, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Your original question was phrased as being about the validity of the Daily Mail as a source. It now sounds as if the source is CNN, and CNN would generally be regarded as a reliable source. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:50, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Using an otherwise unreliable source is permitted in the way you describe. For example, WP:SELFPUB allows even Facebook and the like as a way to source relatively uncontroversial mundane details. TimothyJosephWood 13:53, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Okay thank you. Sorry I keep screwing up, but Daily Mail has provided me with the same conference which is good.

Depthburg (talk) 00:58, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Editor help needed

I'm trying to edit my first article for submission concerning a musical artist with contributions to an album currently lauded in major publications. (The Guardian, Rolling Stone, NME) ( 'Vegyn' is in my sandbox) . Whilst some editor comments have been helpful others seem to be ...er 'not so much'. Under instruction I removed all blog references and included only wikipedia references but was lastly dismissed without any constructive criticism. The threat of deletion hangs over me. Where can I find an editor to help me be successful with my submission? Skyranger of utopia (talk) 09:00, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Here is a direct link tot the Sandbox for other users: Skyranger of utopia. Skyranger of utopia, you need to add in references to where the artist has been mentioned in those publications. Have a look at WP:SOURCES or any other article to see how people use references to show that the topic of the article is notable as well as showing that the content is true. The simple way to insert a source is to click the "Cite your sources" button at the bottom of the editor and copy and paste the URL of the link in between the refs, e.g. . Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 09:08, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Skyranger of utopia. Your current draft User:Skyranger of utopia/sandbox is entirely unreferenced and cannot possibly be accepted into the encyclopedia in its current form. Please read an excellent essay called Your first article, and also read Referencing for beginners. Please also familiarize yourself with our notability guideline for musical performers and show that this person complies with that guideline. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 09:12, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

References

Current

What does the bold current in curve brackets mean?Adityavagarwal (talk) 08:59, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Which one do you mean? Could you show us a page where this tag is used? Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 09:03, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Yeah. I understood it now. :)Adityavagarwal (talk) 09:19, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello Adityavagarawl and welcome to the Teahouse.

I have to assume you are looking at a user's contributions page. In the display of these pages, the word "current" is displayed on edits that are the most recent edit made to the page in question. If that page has been changed by another edit, the {CURRENT} tag will not be there.  —jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:09, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, thank you so much. :)Adityavagarwal (talk) 09:19, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

A trusted reference

Is this reference a trusted one that I can use in Wikipedia articles?--Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2 (talk) 16:12, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, Super ninja2. Our article about this publication Egyptian Streets indicates to me that it is probably reliable for current events in Egypt. Please be aware that no source is 100% reliable, and editors must always evaluate whether a source is reliable for the specific claim being made. When in doubt about a specific situation, please ask a detailed question at the Reliable sources noticeboard. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:00, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Help:Refimprove

I saw this note on the code for a page. Does anybody know how to add such a tag?LakeKayak (talk) 01:44, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi LakeKayak. See Template:Refimprove. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:04, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello LakeKayak and welcome to the Teahouse.

It may be appropriate in the discussion of Template:Refimprove to bring up the topic of constructive tagging. While anyone can add one of these tags, other editors are much more appreciative of a tag accompanied by an explanatory note (on the Talk page of the article) that goes into more detail about what the tagger thinks needs to be improved. The template text is necessarily generic; if you can point a little more specifically to the problem, other editors may more readily take up their editing tools and resolve the issue.

Feel free to bring more questions to the Teahouse. We're here to help.  —jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:35, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

I thank you both.LakeKayak (talk) 18:07, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Article History does not show any work done on reference access date

The article Spinal_disease shows article access dates in October 2014 and the history does not show any 2014 dates. The reason I noticed is that there is a question about a reference date that only shows month and year and no day date. Went through history and couldn't find anything of help. Bobdog54 (talk) 21:12, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. WP:WikiBlame shows that the relevant ref was introduced in this edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:28, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Bobdog54. It is entirely possible that the reference in question was added to another article (or to sandbox or draft space) in 2014 and then copied into this article in 2015.Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:00, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the speedy reply. I thought those could be explanations. Does one then pick an October date to match one of the other citations?Bobdog54 (talk) 22:19, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

If you feel confident enough to check that the source verifies the statement(s) that it is being used to support, Bobdog54, then I think you could make it today's date. Cordless Larry (talk) 23:02, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

I didn't know if that was considered too rude for words. I am comfortable with doing that. Thank you Bobdog54 (talk) 23:05, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Request to review the re-submitted reference

Draft article has been updated & resubmitted, as per the suggestions. Kindly review the provided references which has been published in international media i.e. worldnews.com & american magazine. We have provided the required information for our promising signed author, as we are from technical team for book publication board. We request you to have a review and guide us on to make this draft version into article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Roshan_Bhondekar - Topauthors is an account owned by rising publisher in India (Technical Team). flashingbooks is an account owned by executive publication board team for providing legal information about recent news. We have provided references via both accounts — Preceding unsigned comment added by Topauthors (talk • contribs) 18:36, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Topauthors. Draft:Roshan Bhondekar appears to have been submitted for review and is in the queue. There's nothing that we at the Teahouse can do to speed up that process, and there is quite a backlog at the moment. There is another issue, though. Wikipedia's username policy, specifically the parts WP:CORPNAME and WP:ISU, prohibit promotional usernames and usernames that imply shared use. Your username, as well as Flashingbooks and Bookspressrelease, are in violation of this. Your use of "we" also suggests that several people are sharing an account, which is not allowed. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

@@Cordless Larry: - Thanks for your support and information. 'We' as a part of an organization and only executive person of the company is using this account. Thanks for your understanding. We do respect of wiki rules and terms & condition. Your further guidance will be helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Topauthors (talk • contribs) 07:18, 25 December 2016 (UTC)‎

Can I first ask you to sign your posts using four tildes (~~~~) at the end, Topauthors, and to take more care with your edits, as your last one here removed other editors' questions and undid some archiving? Regarding your username, the relevant advice is at Wikipedia:Changing username. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:31, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

User:Cordless Larry - You write that Draft:Roshan Bhondekar has been submitted and is in the queue for review, and that there is nothing more that we can do here for now. It is true that there is nothing that we will do to speed up the acceptance, but there is more to it than that. The title Roshan Bhondekar was resubmitted and speedy-deleted repeatedly in article space and then salted by User:Bishonen. I then nominated the draft for deletion at MFD as a waste of reviewers' time. The original poster is just forum shopping here, trying to find some way to game the system and sneak the article into article space. Cordless Larry is right that there do appear to be corporate accounts and sockpuppetry trying to push this article. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:55, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Original poster has been blocked by administrator User:Hoary. I think that is that. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:03, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I reported them at Wikipedia:Usernames for administrator attention, along with the two other accounts, which are still pending. Cordless Larry (talk) 23:15, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

How Do I Link A Website

Hello I want to link on the treehouse tv page in the link Section to treehousetv.wikia.com How can i do that on the page? White44Tree (talk) 01:38, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, White44Tree. Generally speaking, we do not link to wikis, as they are User - edited and as such, are not considered reliable. John from Idegon (talk) 05:54, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

White44Tree, you can link to another websites like this [www.yourWebSiteURL.com My Web url]–M159 (Talk) 18:11, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Well Wikipedia is not reliable. White44Tree (talk) 22:48, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

@White44Tree: Technically, by the standards of WP:Reliable sources, you're correct. A Wikipedia article should not cite another article as a source; however, it could cite the secondary sources that were cited in the other article. —C.Fred (talk) 23:00, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

@White44Tree: (e/c) Yes, that's true, Wikipedia is itself a user-written wiki, which is why we require verification of content by citation to reliable sources – and do not allow citations to other Wikipedia articles in that pursuit.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:01, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

I know that okay. I just want the wikia to gain active user. White44Tree (talk) 01:18, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

reCAPTCHA questions

Very Possible in my reCAPTCHA how to slove?

The reCAPTCHA is challge to Answer words,several words and numbers to check type in box everything using Version 1. In Version 2 press "I'm Not Robot", and press the image. User:Alexis Jhon Gaspar 12:38 (PST) (Talk)I'm answer reCAPTCHA. —Preceding undated comment added 04:38, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello Alexis Jhon Gaspar and welcome to the Teahouse.

I'm trying to figure out if you are asking a question or making a suggestion for an improvement to the ReCAPTCHA page. (Redacted) I'll wait for an answer before saying anything more.  —jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:50, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

I'am a Wikipedian Very Nicely how to slove reCAPTCHA? Part 2

Also Passporting reCAPTCHA challages pass by listening Music to download in Music Button in Text Button very good type.

12:55 (PST) Alexis Jhon Gaspar (Talk) I'm Answer it. —Preceding undated comment added 04:53, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Sorry Alexis Jhon Gaspar, but you'll need to get better at telling us what your question is before we can offer help.  —jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:58, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Version 1 of ReCAPTCHA Quesion Part 3

I'm creating Ancount in Wikipilippinas and Wikipino how slove reCAPTCHA in this website? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexis Jhon Gaspar (talk • contribs) 05:06, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Alexis Jhon Gaspar. I have moved your questions to the top of the page, as the Teahouse works in a different order to other discussion pages on Wikipedia, and new posts are supposed to go at the top. I'm not sure I entirely understand this question, but please note that the Teahouse is specific to the English-language Wikipedia. While some editors here might be able to help you with this query, you might have better luck finding the relevant help pages on the Wikipedias that your question is about. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:11, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Version 2 and new version of reCAPTCHA and do this

I'm User I am not a Robot Checkbox not have "I am Not a Robot" have "Yes,I am A Robot" and "No,I am A Human" what press in checkbox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexis Jhon Gaspar (talk • contribs) 09:23, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Please stop creating new sections when you are asking questions about the same topic. I have combined the sections. As other editors have said, we can't answer your question unless it is in comprehensible English. You may do better if you ask your question in the Wikipedia of your native language. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:43, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Alexis Jhon Gaspar, you have posted an unblock request at Draft:23, but your account is not (and has never been) blocked. I'm confused. Have you ever edited using a different user account? Cordless Larry (talk) 09:45, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

I got this message from Wikipedia: A tag has been placed on your user page, User:Indian Herb, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be blatant advertising which only promotes or publicises a company, product, group or service, and which is a violation of our policies regarding acceptable use of user pages; user pages are intended for active editors of Wikipedia to communicate with one another as part of the process of creating encyclopedic content, and should not be mistaken for free webhosting resources. Please read the guidelines on spam, the guidelines on user pages, and, especially, our FAQ for Organizations. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 20:35, 25 December 2016 (UTC).

I'm not sure what they considered in my page as advertising. I wasn't advertising anything and I'm not sure how to let them know that my page wasn't advertising anything. And now they're doing that speedy deletion thing so I'm guessing they just deleted my whole page right? What can I do to keep my page? Indian Herb (talk) 08:31, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Indian Herb. Your user page has now been deleted, so I can't see what it contained. Wikipedia:User pages#What may I not have in my user pages? outlines inappropriate content for user pages. Are there any clues there as to why you page was deleted? Cordless Larry (talk) 09:48, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Judging by your responses at User talk:Indian Herb (other users are unlikely to be monitoring your user talk page for comments), it sounds like you might have written an article on your user page. Your user page is a place to post relevant information about yourself as an editor, rather than encyclopedic content. That might explain why it was eventually deleted under the WP:U5 criterion. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:52, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Television news as a citation

Is a story on television news considered a reliable citation? I'm looking for a citation to enhance an article I'm editing, and the best source for a key point appears to be a television news story done two years ago. It is a local television station, rather than a national network. Is it acceptable to use television news as a citation? Thank you. Nolabob (talk) 12:15, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Was this news story featured on a webpage that the TV network released or can you link to a video of someone saying it? My personal view is that videos are acceptable only when the content is uncontroversial, e.g. someone saying that they went to a certain school in an interview. Can you say what content you are trying to provide a source for? Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 13:27, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. The news story is now on Youtube. I believe that the subject matter is uncontroversial in that I am using the news source only to document the physical appearance of a certain icon. The article includes a photograph of the icon, so again I don't see controversy. Thanks again for your perspective. Nolabob (talk) 14:32, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Nolabob. You should be careful about linking to any YouTube video even as a reliable source, unless it's something found on the station's official YouTube channel or official website and is content which was created by the station itself. More information can be found about this kind of thing in WP:YOUTUBE, WP:COPYLINK and WP:EL#cite_note-copyvio_exception-1. If you saw the footage and believe it satisfies Wikipedia's definition as a reliable source, then you don't really need to link to the video at all. Basically, you can cite the video just as you would cite a book you read as explained in WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT. Either of the citation templates {{cite AV media}} or {{cite episode}} would probably work OK in this case, but you don't have to use a template if you don't want to. Just try and remember to make your citation consistent with the others already in the article per WP:CITEVAR. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:59, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! A good suggestion. I will keep this in mind. Nolabob (talk) 11:57, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Tobe best mean of Article what rederect to use

I'm creating Rederect to 24 Oras what best to rederect this Artcle here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexis Jhon Gaspar (talk • contribs) 05:52, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Could you rephrase that, Alexis Jhon Gaspar? It's unclear what exactly you are asking. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:49, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

How to submit bio on Keith Thompson (singer)

My name is not listen in Wikipedia under Keith Thompson. How can I submit a brief bio for a current singer when I am the singer? Or can I submit the info and someone else contribute it? 74.90.253.118 (talk) 19:00, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

You can suggest changes on the disambiguation's talk page, or even better at Wikipedia:Requested_articles. It's best that you don't try to write about yourself because content is supposed to be neutral, and many people find it very hard to write about themselves in a neutral way. Note that all bios of living people have to be sourced from reliable publications like newspapers or magazines. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 19:39, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Keith, as White Arabian Filly mentioned above, it's highly discouraged to write about yourself. Also as she mentioned, as an encyclopedia, we don't write about subjects; we write about what is written about subjects. Now since you have a relatively common name, if you want an established Wikipedia editor to determine if there is enough written about you to create an article, you're going to have to give us some sources to get us started. We can't really even determine who you are at this point. John from Idegon (talk) 20:36, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

how to rectify article

how to rectify article so that it gets accepted by wikipediaMuzammil G Desai (talk) 17:11, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Muzammil G Desaid. I'm guessing that this is about User:Muzammil G Desai/sandbox. The answer is, probably, nothing whatever can make it acceptable. Please understand that Wikipedia has essentially no interest in anything at all that a person (or an organisation) says or wants to say about themselves, or what their friends, relatives, employees or associates say about them. A Wikipedia article must be based almost 100% on what people who have no connection with the subject have published about the subject. If there exists substantial published material about you in reliable sources (not blogs, social media, wikis, forums) and unconnected with you (in particular not based on interviews or press releases), then you are notable (in Wikipedia's special sense) and there can be an article about you: if not, there is no point in trying to create an article, as none will be accepted. (The sources do not have to be in English, though English sources are preferred if they are available).

Supposing that you meet the criteria for notability, the next hurdle is that you are trying to write about yourself. autobiography is not forbidden in Wikipedia, but it is strongly discouraged, because it tends to be so difficult to write neutrally about oneself. If you determine that you do meet the criteria for notability, and you want to go ahead, please study Your first article as well as the other links I gave above, before you try. But certainly you will need to delete almost the entire text and start again, writing only what is given in the independent sources. --ColinFine (talk) 20:57, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Problem

I edited List of Horrid Henry (TV series) episodes to include Series 5, and there's a bug where the box stretches all the way to the bottom of the page. Can someone help?

I have a pen, I have an apple! —Preceding undated comment added 18:41, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You had forgotten to terminate the table, so I did so in this edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:57, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

use of open access images

On: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_images_with_Wiki_Markup/2

it is stated: "You may also upload images which you know and can prove are under a free license or in the public domain (e.g. due to age)."

I'm a retired scientist. There are many scientific journals that provide "open access" articles. That is, no subscription to the journal or purchase of the article is needed to view the article. Is it OK to include images that I copy from those open articles using the snippiing tool in wp articles? What about images from, for example, CNN? I understand that I need to cite the source and probably submit proof that th article is open. Thanks. Drdfp (talk) 21:35, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Drdfp. You would need to check the specific terms under which the material was licensed. If it is WP:CC-BY-SA, for example, then the material may be used in Wikipedia; but some other kinds of free licence, for example anything which excludes commercial reuse, are not adequate. See WP:Image use policy. --ColinFine (talk) 22:11, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Is it OK to reference a book on Amazon?

I felt compelled to add some references to an article about Alan Bollard, as a prelude to extending an article about MONIAC. On the Bollard page there was an existing section called Writings, in which there was a single reference. On Amazon there is a long list of publications by Bollard. I added each one, with a link to its page on Amazon. XLinkBot deleted my references, along with a subsequent edit to the External Links section that added links to three talks by Bollard on YouTube. Is it acceptable to reference a book on Amazon?

Pquirk (talk) 21:59, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. I would think a better source would be a list of his publications as part of a bio or perhaps CV, or the website of the publisher(s) of the books. Also, you seem to have added the Amazon links as external links rather than references. That's probably why they were removed. See Help:Referencing for beginners for guidance on how to add references. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:39, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Also worth considering is whether it is appropriate to list all of his publications in the article. I would only include his most important and influential publications, as reflected by coverage in secondary sources. It's supposed to be an encyclopedia article rather than a CV, after all. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:41, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

You can also reference the books themselves, and if you do so using the {{cite book}} template and include an ISBN, then the citation will automatically include a link to that ISBN at Special:BookSources, which includes links to library and bookseller entries for the book. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:45, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Pquirk, recommend checking for the citation-counts at https://scholar.google.com and then only retaining those with at lest ~25 cites or thereabouts. In Bollard's case there are half a dozen at least, click here to see.[1] You can also list his non-WP:SELFPUBLISHED books, but it is usually best to find at least one or two book-reviews in mainstream publications (newspapers/magazines/journals/etc) that discuss EACH book, so that you have a ref which proves that the book in question is WP:NOTEWORTHY. Youtube videos are very questionable, because of copyright-related concerns; it is not legal in the USA for wikipedia to even *link* to a video which violates copyright laws, so you should only add them if you are 110% SURE that the videos were uploaded with full permission of all the people involved with respect to copyrights (director/producer/actors/etc), to keep wikipedia out of trouble. 47.222.203.135 (talk) 22:56, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

What to do about a section that seems inappropriately placed?

Example: the page on "minimum wage in the US" has a section at the end that talks about "countries without minimum wage". That content seems misplaced, would fit better on the general page for minimum wage.Ablaut490 (talk) 21:49, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

I would say discuss it on the talk page of the article in question, and then add a link to the discussion on the other article's talk page, e.g. create a discussion at Talk:Minimum wage in the United States and then link to it from Talk:Minimum wage. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 21:54, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

I've created discussions of both but I'm not sure that I've found the best way to link them. Ablaut490 (talk) 22:13, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have checked to see if you had done this! I've created a link from one to the other, and asked people to discuss there to avoid creating two parallel discussions. I agree with the move, so feel free to make the change if you think it is the right thing to do. N.B. You can link to specific sections by putting the name of the article, then a hash, then the title of the section you want to link to, i.e. Page name#section title Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 22:23, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

No, I created these after your first comment - I had clicked on the wrong "talk", but your link gave me the correct location and I now know how to get to it. (Bad UI, really). Thanks for the info on linking to a section.

Now, one of the reasons I had asked the question, it looks like there's no way to move a section other than cut&paste? Ablaut490 (talk) 23:13, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes that's right, you just have to manually cut and paste. Obviously make sure you say that you are moving the section in your edit summary. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 23:16, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Removing things from infoboxes that aren't valid in that box anymore

Every now and then when editing an article, I get a stack of warnings up top about infoboxes with unknown parameters. I assume this is because what the box shows was changed at some point after it was included in the article.

As an example, try going to Kay Parker and editing the page.

Is it proper to delete this information, since it doesn't actually appear on page, or is it used in a non-obvious way? K_arunamon ^Talk 21:01, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Whoop - someone already beat me to it, and mentioned "deprecated syntax" as the reason. Guess that answers the question :) K_arunamon ^Talk 21:31, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Wecome to the Teahouse, Karunamon.

Yes, as you saw, the implementation of infoboxes sometimes changes and that sometimes leaves old parameters out in Article space, where they are now ignored. It is always permissible to update them to new parameter names, if something like that can be found. In cases where the parameter is now deprecated or not replaced, the parameter can safely be removed. It remains archived in the article history if the need to revive it comes along.  —jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:45, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

My First Article

Hi Editors,

I need assistance in the new article i created titled: Ngada - (Ndola of Gola Area). Can you help me check it out and possibly make it visible on search engines?

Thanks

Kind regards, Yakubuwiki Yakubuwiki (talk) 11:51, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You are presumably referring to Ngada - (Ndola of Gola Area)? You will be pleased to see that there are fewer than 14 thousand pages waiting in the queue at Special:NewPagesFeed, so hopefully it won't be more than 3 months before your page is marked as patrolled and thus becomes visible to search engines (as that is now the system). You may be lucky and find that it is done earlier. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:08, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you David Biddulph . Yakubuwiki —Preceding undated comment added 12:25, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

You have a link to Special Development Area in Nigeria and Special Development Area, Taraba State, but neither of these pages exist, which is why the link is coming up in red. Are you planning on creating these pages or did you mean to link to another page? Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 12:41, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

I just created a page and was still putting up content, when someone just marked my page 'speedy deletion'. Top of it someone created a similar/same page and linked my page to it and continuted to mark my page as 'speedy deletion'

Hi,

Thank you for helping

I just created a page and was still putting up content, when someone just marked my page 'speedy deletion'. Top of it someone created a similar/same page and linked my page to it and continued to mark my page as 'speedy deletion'.

I just do not know what is happening. help is much appreciated!

Thanks Pri D (talk) 15:50, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Pri D. You appear to have created the article twice, at Jeet Gian and at Jeet Gian (author). The second of those articles has been nominated for speedy deletion as a duplicate of the first. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:56, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

It is because GSS-1987 moved the page Jeet Gian (author) to Jeet Gian resulting in a redlink rather than a redirect at the old title. The page was originally created at the disambiguated title, then moved, and another page was created at the old title. The old title should probably be an {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}} to the new one rather than deleted. See the row in the page history that says the following:

• (cur | prev) 15:22, 27 December 2016 GSS-1987 (talk | contribs) m . . (4,502 bytes) (0) . . (GSS-1987 moved page Jeet Gian (author) to Jeet Gian without leaving a redirect: unnecessary disambiguation) (undo | thank)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, GeoffreyT2000 (talk, contribs) 16:46, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

• Right its becasue I moved the article to Jeet Gian without leaving a redirect but Pri D missunderstood and recreated at the old title unknowngaly that the article is already exists as "Jeet Gian" so I have explained it on my talk page and seems like everything is clear now. Thanks for the ping. GSS (talk) 17:00, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Big thank you to both @Cordless Larry and @GSS !! and my page is live! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pri D (talk • contribs) 17:13, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

I need some help to improve Draft:Ramzi_Maqdisi

Even I found (and included) some reliable references from newspapers such NYT, LA VANGUARDIA, EL PAIS, AGENCIA EFE, EUROPA PRESS, OXFORD TIMES and so, it seems that who is overseeing the article (which is AfD, and I think it was too soon to nominate it) is not satisfy with them at all. I do not know how to better contribute it yet, and I need some help to find a best resolution. I am not so good in English as in Spanish, and it might be about this lack of solid arguments in English I am getting loss. Thank you very much in advance for your help and please check also Ramzi_Maqdisi to compare early version. Parauleira (talk) 09:07, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

This question is about an actor and indie-film-turned-documentary-director named Ramzi Maqdisi, now at WP:Articles for deletion/Ramzi Maqdisi, who is of Palestinian origin born in Jerusalem and thus also goes by his name in Arabic, and went to university in Spain, and has gotten at least some French-language and English-language name-drops. I don't see sufficient depth of english-language sources to satisfy the WP:GOLDENRULE, but I suspect there might be considerably more WP:NONENGLISH press coverage in arabic/spanish/catalan/lebanese/french/etc, since those are the places where his films were made and/or funded. I also suspect that googling for the english-name 'Ramzi Maqdisi' will not turn up as many hits as googling for the arabic name. Can somebody with more multilingual facility than myself, please take a look, to see if such arabic/spanish/etc RS can be found? WP:Articles_for_deletion/Ramzi_Maqdisi, there is also Draft:Ramzi_Maqdisi version which has a different set of refs. 47.222.203.135 (talk) 17:13, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

thank you for your contribution 47.222.203.135 (talk), I did also read it here WP:Articles for deletion/Ramzi Maqdisi . Unfortunately, no one help us with the polyglot assistance and even the references in Draft:Ramzi_Maqdisi are so reliable, we had no answer from the nominator to improve the article. I am overwhelmed with all these rules on wikipedia and with all these talks in which no one helps to improve and get better the articles. It seemed more a censorship thing than a global and worldwide knowledge. It's a shame no giving the space for other cultures and languages. Meanwhile, I will work and study the otherness and I will publish this experience soon to be known.Parauleira (talk) 20:15, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

How do I make the first letter of my username lowercase?

Currently the first letter of my username is uppercase; I don't want that. I changed my signature to my liking but elsewhere, the first letter is still uppercase. —ericw31415 (talk) 20:25, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello ericw31415; changing username is not something you can do yourself. See WP:Changing username. Cheers, — Gamall Wednesday Ida (t · c) 17:03, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Gamall Wednesday Ida, Wikipedia doesn't allow renames involving first letter capitalization, so that doesn't really help. —ericw31415 (talk) 20:25, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

@Ericw31415: one of the technical limitations of the wikimedia software is that the initial letter of any page name is uppercase. Yo can override the appearance as you have done with your signature but not the underlying behaviour - see WP:NCLOWERCASEFIRST. Nthep (talk) 17:14, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Nthep, so basically all I need to do is add {{lowercase title}} to the top of my user page? —ericw31415 (talk) 20:25, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

@Ericw31415: yes, that's all you can do. Nthep (talk) 18:03, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

And don't be upset if people call you User:Ericw31415 because that is your "official" username, however you want it displayed - Arjayay (talk) 18:06, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

@Arjayay: That is very true. —ericw31415 (talk) 17:38, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

can someone please take a peek at Draft:List of economic advisors to Donald Trump

And if appropriate push it into main article space? It is a subsidiary to the existing article called Economic policy of Donald Trump#Advisors, but the material was considered to be too large for that subsection (page-load time or something) and has therefore been spun off. See talkpage of that article for the discussion prior to starting the draft 47.222.203.135 (talk) 22:47, 26 December 2016 (UTC) One of the teahouse editors and myself have made a few additional changes, which may improve things. Anybody have advice, constructive criticism, ponies? 47.222.203.135 (talk) 10:52, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello hello. It seems like a fine topic in principle, and I don't see an immediately obvious reason why it would be inappropriate. It does however seem to be riding the line between list and article, and may be better suited to simply Economic advisors to Donald Trump. TimothyJosephWood 14:59, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Either way works for me, but I picked the "list of" title because my WP:CRYSTAL ball tells me that there will be a LOT of economic advisors announced during the next few months, let alone during the next four years. So I expect that the sentence-oriented content will be drowned out by the list-of-names content right around January 20th of 2017 unless I miss my guess. But as I say, if you prefer the title you suggested, that is also perfectly accurate. The reason I started working on the content that is currently in draftspace, was because I kept running into sources about 'informal' advisors when working on the political appointments of Donald Trump stuff. We have a paragraph or two at Economic policy of Donald Trump#Advisors but the 'owner' of that page (in the good sense of stewardship not in the policy-violating sense) figured a list-of-names would soon become so large as to overwhelm the policy-stance content. In any case, if you are willing, please move the draftspace content to the mainspace location you think makes most sense, and then I'll add a Template:main pointer in the policy-article. Thanks 47.222.203.135 (talk) 15:33, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

 Done It's a pretty good argument, and there's no harm in keeping it ostensibly a list. Worst case scenario, we see what happens and move it if appropriate. TimothyJosephWood 15:38, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks User:Timothyjosephwood, much appreciated. I added in the backlinks from the economic policy of Donald Trump#Advisors section, and will probably stick a see-also entry into political appointments of Donald Trump now. 47.222.203.135 (talk) 17:59, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Draft Bern Expo

I am not a very good article creator, even though I am quite familiar with the guidelines. Would someone please help me check Draft:Bern Expo for what is wrong and bring it up to wikipedia standards? Please and Thank You. Josvan Talk 08:22, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Josvan, I agree with the reviewers - it doesn't seem like this article is notable enough unless you can get a few third-party sources. It would help if you used the {{cite web}} reference template so we could easily see where the references came from without having to click the link. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 08:42, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

I find it hard to believe that the main (I presume) exhibition facility of a capital city isn't notable, Absolutelypuremilk, although I agree that that notability does need to be demonstrated. JosVan, the first thing that stood out to me is that the one million visitors statistic needs a reliable source. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:48, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Absolutelypuremilk, I think this article is hard to find citations for, but should be in the Main space, but can I use myself as an citation? Although I might be bias. Would you please help me work on this article to bring into the mainspace? Thank You! Josvan Talk 08:46, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

What do you mean about using yourself as a citation? If you can't easily get any citations for it, then it might not meet Wikipedia's criteria. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 08:50, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

@Absolutelypuremilk: @Cordless Larry: Would you mind helping find a source for Bern Expo stats, I started this article after being in Bern and asking them a few questions. I believe that statistic came from them, so how can that be cited? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JosVan (talk • contribs) 08:52, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Do you mean that you asked them in person or by email? Possibly you could ask them to put it on their website, but them telling you something in person or by email isn't a valid source. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 08:54, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

In person, I'll ask them to put it on their website? Would that be reliable? Josvan Talk 08:57, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes that would be a reliable source. I'm sure that if you said you wanted to put it on Wikipedia then they would probably be quite happy to put it on their website. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 08:59, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

@Absolutelypuremilk: At this point, do you think it would worthy of inclusion into the mainspace? Or does it need to be expanded? Josvan Talk 09:03, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Can I also suggest that you have a look at Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources, JosVan? That should help you understand what you can and can't cite. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:06, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

I read that already, User:Cordless Larry .It just that I understand it and can comprehend it when judging other edits, not mine. (I am heavily biased.) Anyways, thank for your time and I will ask if I have anymore questions. Thank You Josvan Talk 09:09, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

JosVan, Absolutelypuremilk: Any information communicated from an individual to an editor is absolutely NOT usable as a source. That would be original research. Wikipedia, like all encyclopedias, is a tertiary source. That means that all content must be verifiable to reliable published sources. Obviously, a conversation is not that. Nor is an email or a letter. John from Idegon (talk) 21:29, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

John from Idegon, yes, that's what I said. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 21:46, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

As best I can follow, the information that needed sourcing is the number of visitors to this venue, ya? And the website it was going to get posted to was the venues? That would not help with notability at all. John from Idegon (talk) 10:48, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

My concern there was verifiability rather than notability, John from Idegon. The claim now has a source, but it doesn't support the 1 million visitors figure as far as I can tell, JosVan. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:59, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

The applicable notability guideline is WP:GEOFEAT, which requires third party sourcing to show notability. There isn't much showing on the draft. I'd expect an important meeting and exhibition space in a capital city to have much more. To be clear, what is needed are newspaper and magazine stories about the place that discuss it in detail. One or two, supplemented by coverage of events that have occurred there should be enough. Although it will take some sources that discuss the place in detail, switching the sourcing on the events that have taken place there to third party sources would help. John from Idegon (talk) 11:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

New article

Can someone help with making Draft:List of highest-grossing animted films in Canada and the United States suitable for Wikipedia 82.38.157.176 (talk) 15:17, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

For some context, read Your First Page and then proceed making a draft using the Article Wizard. Once you think it's ok, send it to the moderaters. I have a pen, I have an apple! —Preceding undated comment added 18:52, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Any more tips because I still confused can someone come other an make some edits to make it suitable for Wikipedia (82.38.157.176 (talk) 22:16, 27 December 2016 (UTC))

As was said in the feedback on the draft, it doesn't provide anything that a reader can't see at http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=animation.htm, and whereas the latter is kept up to date a Wikipedia article will soon become outdated. It isn't obvious that there is any way to make it a viable Wikipedia article. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:29, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

I am trying to add my first ever Wikipedia Page but a Wikipedia Editor said I do not have "significant coverage" - when I think I do

Hi! I tried to write a page for the non-profit Travelers United - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft/travelers_united - and despite providing the editor with multiple links to CNN, The New York Times, The Washington Post, Reuters, The Los Angeles Times, USA Today, Fortune, Forbes, Bloomberg, The Congressional Record, Department of Transportation Testimony Record, etc., he says there is no significant coverage. Coverage entails actual testimony from members of our organization mentioning our organization, coverage of our organization working with other orgs on joint letters, us conducting surveys of travel trends being picked up by every major paper and 24 hour news channel in the country and our founder and president having numerous television shows talking about our advocacy work. I'm honestly not sure how much more coverage I could provide, but it is coverage about what we've said, what we've worked on, the work we do, and information of our work with other organizations as well as Congressional testimony. How much more info can one provide? This is my first attempt ever at creating a Wikipedia page and this has been most disappointing

His name is primefac — Preceding unsigned comment added by Embby (talk • contribs) 05:20, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

The url which you provided is a dead link, because Wikipedia page titles are case-sensitive. Rather than providing a URL, please give a wikilink, which in this case is Draft:Travelers United. You obviously haven't read the comments from the two reviewers, which make it clear that what Wikipedia needs in references is what independent reliable sources say about the subject, not what spokesmen for the organisation say. It is clear from the wording of the question that you are associated with the organisation, so you need to read about conflict of interest and (if appropriate) paid editing, and make the appropriate declarations. With such a conflict of interest it is unlikely that you could write an article with a neutral point of view, so the advice would be to wait until someone without a conflict of interest believes that your organisation is notable in Wikipedia's terms and writes an article about it. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:28, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

How do you avoid copyright violation when linking to YouTube videos published by newscasts?

There is a really helpful video published by NBC news about my topic on YouTube but I've discovered that I cannot use it due to copyright violation. Am I allowed to cite it indirectly? Such as, the only parameter that I won't use is the "URL" one. So now it will look something like this: cite web|url=|title=Virginia Tech Students Charged in 13-Year-Old Girl's Stabbing Death NBC Nightly News|publisher=NBC|date=2 February 2016|accessdate=16 February 2016

My article is this by the way: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Murder_of_Nicole_Madison_Lovell#Suspects

As you can see, it is plagued with YouTube video links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Depthburg (talk • contribs) 03:27, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

I think you may have misunderstood what it says at WP:YOUTUBE. If the video on YouTube is published to YouTube by NBC (as at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKUANxH7RYA ) then using it as a reference isn't a violation of NBC's copyright, and you ought to provide the url to assist in verifiability. What you should avoid is linking to a YouTube page where the NBC content has been captured and loaded to YouTube by someone other than NBC. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:12, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

And in future questions, if you wish to link to a Wikipedia page, please provide a wikilink, such as Draft:Murder of Nicole Madison Lovell#Suspects, rather than the URL of the mobile version of the page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Murder_of_Nicole_Madison_Lovell#Suspects . --David Biddulph (talk) 06:16, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Ahhhh, got it, thank you! Depthburg (talk) 06:51, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

How to join the Recent-Edit Patrol?

I was wondering how do you join the Recent-edit patrol? I thought it would be nice to join. Thanks! Guynamedperson (talk) 03:41, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Get at least 90 days of editing experience and at least 500 edits in order to qualify for New Page Patrol. If that isn't your question, please restate your question. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:16, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello Guynamedperson. New Page Patrol requires permission to use the page curation tool. That may be something you can aspire to do when you have more experience.

Recent change patrol, on the other hand, does not require special permissions; anyone can click on "Recent changes" under "Interaction" in the left-hand menu (in the standard web view) and see a presentation of recent changes. That listing can be filtered based on such things as "new users" or "IP editors". As a Wikipedia editor, you have the same rights as anyone else to review those changes.

If you wish to take action on any of the changes you see, you still must follow all of the policies and guidelines, keeping such admonitions as "don't bite the newcomers!" in mind. You are not helping the efforts to fight vandalism very much if a significant number of your responses require further fixes.

In short, nothing to join, but you can choose to display the badge on your user page.  —jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:16, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Adding an image to an article

I'd like to find and add an image of a particular person to an article that at present contains only text. If there is no image of the person in the commons, what other options exist? TimeForLunch (talk) 15:45, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Hey TimeForLunch. It may be helpful to read through Wikipedia:Finding images tutorial. TimothyJosephWood 15:47, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, TimeForLunch. If the person you are discussing is alive, then you can only use a photo that is freely licensed under an acceptable Creative Commons license, or known to be free of copyright (which is rare). Taking a photo of the person yourself is a possibility in some cases. However, if the person is dead, our policy on use of non-free images allows use of a low resolution photo of that person, as long as all the standards are followed. The image should be uploaded here on Wikipedia, not at Wikimedia Commons. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:52, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you both, TimothyJosephWood and Cullen³²⁸. The person is alive, although I'm not able to take a photo. I'll look into the Finding Images Tutorial and go from there. TimeForLunch (talk) 09:24, 28 December 2016 (UTC)