Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Frater FiatLux
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the case of suspected sockpuppetry. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page. If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to open a new case of sockpuppetry of the same user, read this for detailed instructions.
- Evidence
- Zanoni666 (talk · contribs) was created at 18:53 (CST), 9 June 2006 first edit during Frater FiatLux (talk · contribs)'s first block for 3RR (14:48, 9 June 2006). block log
- Zanoni666 (talk · contribs) 6th edit is to open a complaint on WP:ANI - [1]
- Zanoni666 (talk · contribs)'s edit comments refer to "Moderator T. Morton" [2] who had not been involved in the matter since 4 June when the dispute was over the page Golden Dawn tradition. (diff of T. Morton's last comment)
- Frater FiatLux (talk · contribs), the next day after being unblocked, also refers to "Moderator T. Morton" diff
- Both users are engaged in reverting to the same versions of the same articles with similar (sometimes identical) accusatory edit comments: article 1 diff, article 2 diff (examples of browser autofill)
- Comments
- Two articles these two are editing together are
-999 (Talk) 03:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I think meatpuppetry is much more likely here. Both Zanoni666 and Frater FiatLux are always telling me how they can provide their IP addresses for WHOIS queries to verify they are in different parts of the world, but so far, neither of them have managed to answer my question on whether they know each other outside of Wikipedia. In fairness to them, they have not had much time to respond to this question, but I will report back here when they do answer the question. In the case of User:Opuaut, I blocked as a sockpuppet of Frater FiatLux and got an e-mail from FiatLux saying it's not a sockpuppet cause they live in two different parts of the world. When I emailed back asking if they knew each other and if he asked Opuaut to revert to his versions, he hasn't replied yet.--Lord Deskana Dark Lord of the Sith 06:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, User:Zanoni666 and User:Frater FiatLux both send me an e-mail, and the originatng locations are indeed on different continents as they claim. So, it are not sockpuppets. That they know each other is obvious. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 14:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, but the autofilled edit comments suggest that they are also sharing accounts. -999 (Talk) 14:58, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- To me, it is clear from the edit summaries that they have the same goal in mind, and that is bad enough, and gives as Deskana says, the impression of meatpuppetry. The sharing of accounts can only been checked using checkuser, and a request can be made there. However, even if we proof that, it is not going to resolve the problem. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 15:03, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Too true. Deskana suggested [3] asking for a community ban of Frater FiatLux on WP:ANI since he is clearly the one pushing the revert war and recruiting meatpuppets. Others have suggested a user conduct RfC. Any recommendations as to which path might be preferable? -999 (Talk) 15:09, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- To me, it is clear from the edit summaries that they have the same goal in mind, and that is bad enough, and gives as Deskana says, the impression of meatpuppetry. The sharing of accounts can only been checked using checkuser, and a request can be made there. However, even if we proof that, it is not going to resolve the problem. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 15:03, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, but the autofilled edit comments suggest that they are also sharing accounts. -999 (Talk) 14:58, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I can now confirm that User:Opuaut is indeed a different user, and not a sockpuppet after I recieved an e-mail from that person as well. I have done a ip-trace on the IP numbers in the e-mail headers, which all go to permanent allocated accounts. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 18:15, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, User:Zanoni666 and User:Frater FiatLux both send me an e-mail, and the originatng locations are indeed on different continents as they claim. So, it are not sockpuppets. That they know each other is obvious. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 14:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- This user has exhausted everybody: 3RR violations, accused of being a mster sockpuppet, personal attacks, and the edit summary use is very unusual. Kilo-Lima|(talk) 18:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I personally want to do all I can to make sure Frater FiatLux understands policy, and this is tough. I don't think we can get him as a sock, but Zanoni and Kephera are more likely to be the same user. I added a few things on this discussion page, and am waiting for comments there. Zos 18:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I have discovered these annoying accusations and sent an e-mail to K. VD Linde. As I am certain that there will be no doubt that I am not a sock puppet, you can now refrain from making further such accusations. Thank you. Kephera975 20:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- This user is indeed coming from a connection that is independent of the previous three, no doubt it is another person.-- Kim van der Linde at venus 19:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I have discovered these annoying accusations and sent an e-mail to K. VD Linde. As I am certain that there will be no doubt that I am not a sock puppet, you can now refrain from making further such accusations. Thank you. Kephera975 20:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am going to close this becuase it has been around the sockpuppet page for ages. Not edits have been made since June 23. And as Kim van der Linde states, most likely not the same person. Iolakana|T 14:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]