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December 13

Page on Table 2 Fallacy

Hi, I drafted a page on the Table 2 Fallacy. How do I publish this? It seems to be stuck as a draft.

Thanks, Tom Tomayates (talk) 16:01, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I added the information to your draft to allow you to submit it; however, if you submitted it, it would be declined quickly, as you only have a single source. Wikipedia articles summarize multiple independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 16:11, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

If you look on the draft page itself, Draft:Table 2 Fallacy you will see the option to submit, but I would advise against it because it will likely be rejected. At the moment, your article does not establish that it is a notable subject through the use of multiple, independent, secondary sources. If you haven't done so yet, I recommend you first review WP:YFA. TiggerJay (talk) 16:12, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

And indeed, the single source is not independent. Once several people wholly unconnected with the originators of the term have published substantial materials about it, will a Wikipedia article about it be possible. Until then, it will fail Wikipedia's test for notability, and any time spent on trying will be time wasted. ColinFine (talk) 22:19, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

How to create a .css file?

I'll like to use some CSS on the portal pages, but I can't change the Page content model of Wikipedia:Portal/styles.css from “wikitext” to CSS. I need some help.Guilherme Burn (talk) 16:59, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Guilherme Burn, done. Mathglot (talk) 17:46, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

@Guilherme Burn: For use in TemplateStyles you need an interface administrator to change it to Sanitized CSS and not just CSS. You can use {{Edit interface-protected}} on the talk page, or see if an interface admin drops by here, or create a CSS page in a subpage in the template namespace and then move it to where you want it. (talk) 18:49, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Changed again; to sanitized CSS. I don't see a need to be an interface admin. @PrimeHunter. Mathglot (talk) 19:27, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Oh. In userspace it requires an interface admin but apparently not in project space. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:30, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you all.Guilherme Burn (talk) 14:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Elan (programming language)

During 2024, Richard Pawson FBCS and his team have been developing and publicising a new language for teaching computer programming in British schools. It is called Elan and bears no relation to the Wikipedia page ELAN (programming language) and its now defunct (I believe) language. If it is agreed to create a Wikipedia page about this new language Elan, how should I best address the potential clash of page name? Note that this Elan is normally spelled in mixed case. Bernardboase (talk) 18:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Bernardboase, there is a long list of items at the disambiguation page for Elan, and the new article would likely need parenthetical disambiguation in its title. Whatever the title ends up being, it would have to be unique. Mathglot (talk) 19:23, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

You needn't worry much, Bernardboase. Where helpful (or necessary), distinctions can be fine: see for example the pair Tommy Godwin (cyclist, born 1912) and Tommy Godwin (cyclist, born 1920). And it's common for such "disambiguations" to be reconsidered and improved. Thus if I wanted to create the draft for an article on this Elan of Pawson et al, and if this Elan can be said to have been created this year, I might title my creation Draft:Elan (programming language, 2024–), aware that this might not be the best title for it but confident that it could be improved by those people who are more familiar than I am with the intricacies of titling . -- Hoary (talk) 22:03, 13 December 2024 (UTC) PS: But I fully agree with ColinFine below: notability (as defined by and for Wikipedia) is a far more important issue than the niceties of titling. -- Hoary (talk) 22:47, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, @Bernardboase. You say "If it is agreed to create a Wikipedia page about this new language". I advise not to worry about the title, or any other aspect at all of the proposed article, until you have answered that question.

I suspect that it is TOOSOON for a language developed in 2024, but I may be wrong. The question is, can you find several sources, published by reputable publishers or organs, where people wholly unconnected with Pawson and his team have written at some length about Elan? Unless the answer is "yes", you will not be able to establish that the language (yet) meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and no article is currently possible. See WP:42 for a discussion of suitable sources. ColinFine (talk) 22:29, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you all. So far the published articles that I have seen have been written by Pawson himself, so the criterion for notability is probably not yet met. I will keep tabs on progress before returning to this issue. Bernardboase (talk) 13:13, 14 December 2024 (UTC)