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October 8

May someone please help me fix the grammar mistakes at Health Code?

The article seems to be written by a Chinese user, which is OK, but the grammar is not very good. May someone please help me fix them? Thanks! Félix An (talk) 01:59, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Appearance of sensationalism label?

After significant engagement from experienced editors and pretty exhaustive scrutiny, a label has shown up on LiveWorkPlay "This article reads like a press release or a news article and is largely based on routine coverage or sensationalism. Please expand this article with properly sourced content to meet Wikipedia's quality standards, event notability guideline, or encyclopedic content policy. (August 2021)." I have noticed that no matter how bland the article or how well cited, there is often an issue with articles about charitable organizations and the demand for notability/newsworthy sources, and when simply describing what it is they do, this claim of "reads like a news release." The media does not typically write earned media articles that detail the work of social organizations, they are almost always going to demonstrate notability through so-called "routine coverage." That is just the way it is - in fact, of the 85,000 registered charities in Canada, a huge percentage of them have never had any coverage, and would dream of having multiple citations available to them as is the case in this article. The label of sensationalism is very aggressive - would love to know what, specifically, is "sensationalistic" since the previous experienced editors did not see it this way. If something is sensationalistic, then is it not appropriate to state specifically what the problem is, so that it can be addressed or discussed? Iamthekanadian (talk) 04:27, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

The phrase is "on routine coverage or sensationalism", Iamthekanadian, emphasis added. In this case, it seems to be routine coverage. Things can be one thing or another. Please feel to change the tag to one that does not mention sensationalism, or if you have added references that go beyond routine coverage, remove the tag altogether. There has been no discussion of the matter at Talk: LiveWorkPlay, which is the best place to discuss the tagging. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:00, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the response Cullen328 I have not had good experiences (felt quite bullied and attacked) with these sorts of discussions so I am glad I came here to ask for advice first, rather than going directly to the talk option as you suggest, because this usually results in getting referred to "expand this article with properly sourced content to meet Wikipedia's quality standards, event notability guideline, or encyclopedic content policy." I realize it is a much broader issue (trying to establish a community-wide understanding that "routine coverage" as a pejorative for the notability of charitable organizations is something that needs to change). In my experience the charitable sector is grossly under-represented on Wikipedia and this is a key reason for it (for example, I am going on several months trying to contribute Draft:United_Way_East_Ottawa because of this so-called notability issue - it is one of the biggest charities in the entire country, but the reality is, the media does NOT write articles to explain why it is notable - the media writes about social issues (sometimes!) and charities get reference in those articles for their work. To expect that there is something more to make them "notable" is basically asking the impossible, and getting the constant feedback that contributors of articles about charities receive that "This reads like a press release and has only routine coverage" (or ya, throwing in the hyperbolic claim of sensationalism) is dissuasive to writing articles and is generally unproductive. Iamthekanadian (talk) 19:10, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Deleted articles

Is there a way for me to track all the articles I have nominated for deletion and the results of the discussion? -Imcdc (talk) 06:03, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Imcdc: Try this - AfD Stats. [[1]] TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:07, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Football player page

Hello, I put references as asked in this page but is not published, what I have to do? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kezang_Tshering

Luca — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redlucas88 (talk • contribs) 10:10, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Redlucas88: Hello, the player does not appear to pass WP:NFOOTY; please see that page for more information, togehther with WP:FPL for a list of fully-professional leagues. Only the Indian Super League and I-League top division are considered fully professional. Eagleash (talk) 13:45, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Eagleash: hello, there is a way to publish that player? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redlucas88 (talk • contribs) 11 October 2021 08:17 (UTC)

@Redlucas88: I'm afraid not; he does not meet the football notability guidelines and unless it can be shown that he passes the general notability ones an article is not appropriate at this point. That would require in-depth coverage in multiple independent, reliable sources which is not currently the case. Further, Transfermkt is not accepted as a reliable source. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Your 'ping' did not work as you did not sign your post. The 'ping', the message and sigbature all have to be added in one edit or it does not produce a notification. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 08:50, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Creating templates in the new Ladin Wikipedia

Dear Help Desk,
I have recently been active on the Ladin language Wikipedia, which is rather new and is in my mother tongue. I have been adding many articles, but as this Wikipedia has only existed for one year, it has very few templates. I am not yet sure how exactly to create templates and I find very little information about this online. One template I am trying to create is the Template:Legend. I have looked at this template in different languages, but I don't understand what code I need to use in order to create this template for the Ladin Wikipedia. Could you kindly assist me with this?
Thank you very much for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asenoner (talk • contribs) 11:02, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Asenoner, if you don't get an answer here, you could try Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). Strictly, en Wikipedia fora are for questions about en Wikipedia, but they may nevertheless be able to help. TSventon (talk) 15:44, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Namdhari Pages

Hi Hope you’re well

I would be extremely grateful if you could help us amend our Namdhari Sikh page and associated pages. Having read through them we have found several errors which I believe have been added by unofficial members.

We have seen a lock on other organisations pages and would be grateful if we could have the same feature once we have submitted our amendments. Hoping to get a positive resolution.

Thank you Dr Gurmukh Singh Namdhari Office — Preceding unsigned comment added by Namdhari Office (talk • contribs) 13:28, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Namdhari Office: First, I believe your username might be disallowed here, because usernames must not indicate they are possibly shared between multiple holders of a role, wether at the same time or as sucessors. You can visit WP:CHUS or Special:GlobalRenameRequest to get a new one. Second, as a member of the organisation, you fall within the disclosures of WP:COI and almost certainly WP:PAID (the latter is, if it applies, a Terms of Use requirement). Third, Nobody "owns" an article (not just "page") here. While some pages do have been protected from editing and/or moving in accordeance of the protection policy if they are a target of vandalism or other disruptive editing and occasionally to force two or more people to discussn rather than smashing the revert button to force their preffered revision, we do not protect articles at the subject's request. I am going to leave some general notes about editing on your user talkpage in a few seconds. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:06, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Dozens of articles moved; is it possible to automatically fix every link that now points to a redirect?

The parentheticals in a bunch of Beach Boys article titles were recently changed from "(Beach Boys song/album)" to "(The Beach Boys song/album)". My question: is there a bot that can go through every article and fix every link pointing to a "(Beach Boys ..." redirect? ili (talk) 13:52, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

ili that should happen automatically, see Wikipedia:Moving a page#Fix double redirects. TSventon (talk) 14:22, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm not referring to double redirects. I'm referring to the bodies of articles that still link to Smile (Beach Boys album), Friends (Beach Boys album), and so forth. ili (talk) 14:24, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

ili that is usually not necessary per WP:NOTBROKEN. I would expect most links to be piped to Smile, etc., so there would be no change in the text seen by the reader. TSventon (talk) 14:38, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

The time allocated for running scripts has expired

Statistics of the COVID-19 pandemic in Australia has lots of citations that say only "The time allocated for running scripts has expired." How can this be fixed? 2600:1003:B863:1D1A:65D6:EF77:1734:B0F3 (talk) 15:53, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

The error is likely caused by the page taking a high time to process; once the rendering exceeds a certain limit time, other scripts (including the page citation templates) are not run. Well, a fix would be to remove citations, and arguably one cite per data point is overkill, but that optimizes for thinking time rather than for content quality.

Inspecting the HTML of the page, I found the following load report (comment marks removed):

technical information

NewPP limit report Parsed by mw1375 Cached time: 20211007150533 Cache expiry: 1814400 Reduced expiry: false Complications: [vary‐revision‐sha1] CPU time usage: 11.376 seconds Real time usage: 11.510 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 12639/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 1360214/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 9652/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 14/40 Expensive parser function count: 5/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 1/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 548635/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 10.010/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 9117979/52428800 bytes Lua Profile: Scribunto_LuaSandboxCallback::find 4920 ms 48.0% Scribunto_LuaSandboxCallback::sub 3760 ms 36.6% Scribunto_LuaSandboxCallback::callParserFunction 260 ms 2.5%  ? 260 ms 2.5% Scribunto_LuaSandboxCallback::jsonEncode 160 ms 1.6% Scribunto_LuaSandboxCallback::gsub 160 ms 1.6% convertXYToManySeries <Module:Graph:328> 80 ms 0.8% Scribunto_LuaSandboxCallback::getExpandedArgument 60 ms 0.6% Scribunto_LuaSandboxCallback::getAllExpandedArguments 60 ms 0.6% Scribunto_LuaSandboxCallback::anchorEncode 40 ms 0.4% [others] 500 ms 4.9% Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 11123.480 1 -total 77.84% 8659.048 4 Template:Side_box 75.72% 8422.249 3 Template:Switcher 54.03% 6010.547 13 Template:Graph:Chart 32.56% 3621.974 1 Template:COVID-19_pandemic_in_Australia/National_Cases 26.31% 2926.655 1 Template:COVID-19_pandemic_in_Australia/Cases_charts 21.61% 2403.588 1 Template:COVID-19_pandemic_in_Australia/Deaths_charts 6.94% 772.181 178 Template:Cite_web 2.16% 239.787 1 Template:COVID-19_pandemic_data/Australia_deaths 2.05% 228.555 1 Template:COVID-19_pandemic_in_Australia/Active_Cases Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:idhash:64958366-0!canonical and timestamp 20211007150521 and revision id 1048703653. Serialized with JSON.

Eleven seconds to load a page is quite heavy. You should probably ask WP:VPT (with a copy of the box above) for a better opinion, what follows is my understanding. The report blames the various subtemplates of {{Template:COVID-19_pandemic_in_Australia/National_Cases}} which make up about 70% of the page load time; the switcher template is slow to load only because it includes those templates ; the Australia graph templates might be slow to load because the graph template itself is slow with lots of data points, I do not know. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 16:51, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Userbox question

This is more for the French Wikipedia but my French is still shaky, and I also have visual-spatial issues but do the other language versions of Wikipedia have userboxes as well? Saturn star (talk) 17:33, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Saturn star: Yes they do! You can go to Wikipedia:Userboxes and look at the "Languages" section in the left sidebar for the corresponding pages on other language Wikipedias. For example, on the French Wikipedia, click the "Français" link to go to fr:Wikipédia:Boîte utilisateur. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:48, 8 October 2021 (UTC)