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July 23

Life span and military titles should be in separate parentheticals, right?

In the article for Deke Slayton, the opening sentence, right after Slayton's name in bold, contained the following:

"(March 1, 1924 – June 13, 1993; Major, USAF)"

I altered this to:

"(March 1, 1924 – June 13, 1993) (Major, USAF)"

Could anyone please tell me if this was correct? I did so because this was because Ed White and Joseph A. Walker had their life span and ranks structured. Also, I removed the commas surrounding the parentheticals containing White's ranks. Could anyone please tell me if this was correct? (Note: I did some editing on this after the first post, and after the responses as well.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 01:29, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

If it's not a user watching that page will fix it or let you know. - FlightTime (open channel) 01:00, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm uncomfortable with the idea that, in the meantime, I may have unintentionally vandalized it.--Thylacine24 (talk) 01:01, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Don't worry, if it needs fixing, it will get done. - FlightTime (open channel) 01:03, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Well, all right, thanks.--Thylacine24 (talk) 01:23, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Thylacine24. Don't worry about vandalizing: vandalizing is by definition, editing with the intent of damaging Wikipedia. An edit made in good faith, even if it is wrong, cannot be vandalism. Having said that, sometimes somebody misunderstands the intent of an edit and thinks it is vandalism even when it was intended in good faith; and sometimes inexperienced editors call something vandalism when they just mean "I strongly disagree with what was added". These are both examples of normal human interaction, dependent as it is on sometimes faulty perception of others' intent. When these miscommunications happen, they should be dealt with openly, following the dispute resolution process. But if your intent is to improve Wikipedia, you are not vandalizing, even if the consensus decides to revert your change. --ColinFine (talk) 13:25, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me.--Thylacine24 (talk) 13:28, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

That info isn't all that notable, so I've removed it from the first line. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:41, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Please Use Actual and Only Photo of Cheikh Ahmadou Bamba instead of this drawing, which is far from being similar to the picture

Dear Wikipedia, On the page devoted to CAmadou_Bambaheikh Ahmadou Bamba, the founder of the Mourid Sufi Order, I would like to call your attention on a drawing that is used rather than his actual photo (see attached). You can find his many (and only) photos on this Google images. Thank you for addressing this issue in a diligent way. You can find his matching picture here: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheikh_Ahmadou_Bamba Best Regards, Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mouridology (talk • contribs) 02:55, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

• Note: This has been brought up before (by the same editor). See discussion here. The drawing was restored by a possibly GF edit here which changed the filename spelling. I have restored the photographic image. Eagleash (talk) 04:06, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Content of a deleted article

If an article has been deleted, how can I get a copy of the article? This is the article: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Best Picture milestones. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:56, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: See Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to provide copies of deleted articles - FlightTime (open channel) 03:14, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I will try that route. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 13:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Found probable vandalism

In particular, on the page "Ice cream cake, where the opening section concludes with the following sentence:

"Is only italian and Ice Cream cake is not American or Australian. Is 100% italian."

Could anyone please tell me if this is vandalism or not?--Thylacine24 (talk) 03:02, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@Thylacine24: Vandalism is not reported here, it's done at WP:AIV. - FlightTime (open channel) 03:10, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Sorry. Thanks for telling me.--Thylacine24 (talk) 03:33, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

No problem, you're very welcome :) - FlightTime (open channel) 03:34, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I removed the bogus material. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:36, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks.--Thylacine24 (talk) 03:37, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Oh, and you're welcome for the heads up.--Thylacine24 (talk) 03:38, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Grade II* listed buildings in Monmouthshire

I'd be very grateful if a volunteer with experience of templates/tables could advise me on the above. I entered access dates for the citations, following guidance given at a Featured Article Review for Grade I listed buildings in Monmouthshire. However, I've obviously messed up somewhere, as both the References and the Sources sections now show template error messages, and the citations and the source books don't appear. I assume I've made an inputting error, but I'm not able to identify what, although I've gone through it twice to check. Any help most gratefully received. KJP1 (talk) 08:09, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

If I add a {{reflist}} tag at the end of the lead, it works as I would expect. If I add one at the end of the "Buildings" section, it doesn't. So I suspect that something is messed up inside the list of buildings. And it's a long list. If I had a lot of time to spare, I'd copy the whole article into a sandbox, and test the effect of deleting pieces of the list. Maproom (talk) 08:38, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

As usual when such symptoms are seen, the page appears in Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:26, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Template:Verse translation

How can the above template as such (!) be modified so as to reduce the surplus line spacing rendered before transclusions (as can be found, for instance, in the poem beginning with … Tu lascerai ogne cosa diletta at the bottom third of that section) to default? Thanks in advance for any support!--Hildeoc (talk) 09:32, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@Hildeoc: I'm not seeing any "surplus line spacing" in the example you cite, only the normal spacing that appears above and below block quotations. Do you also see too much space above the "Se mai continga ..." passage farther down in that section? Deor (talk) 18:20, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@Deor: Sorry for the delay ... As you've already seen, I just finished a major revision, in which I added a single blank line before each of those transclusions – as is customary. Normally, though, this shouldn't matter for the actual rendering. But how come it does in this case (at least with me using Firefox & Chrome)?--Hildeoc (talk) 14:44, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

caste certificate

dear sir actually my caste certificate is miss so i request you to i am already applying scalarship in that portal my cerificate is their — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4070:812:F942:ACD7:826A:F6CA:A390 (talk) 09:34, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Could you clarify what you want a Wikipedia editor to help you with? --MrClog (talk) 09:48, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

What to do when an editor refuses to abide by RfC closure?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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An RfC[1] has been closed on Tulsi Gabbard by Red_Slash, yet one editor, SashiRolls, refuses to acknowledge the validity of the closure and edit-wars to remove content agreed-upon in the closure. What should be done?

If this is the wrong board for this, please point me to the correct one. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 09:59, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@Snooganssnoogans: Edit warring can be reported to WP:ANEW. Other issues with editor conduct can be brought to WP:ANI(though ANI is not for mere content disputes). 331dot (talk) 10:45, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Please feel free to follow the link to see that 3 people agree this close did not represent the consensus. (One entirely uninvolved). I do not appreciate the patently false statement.🌿 SashiRolls ^{t · c} 11:57, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@SashiRolls: Here's my advice for you: don't revert the RfC closure or edit war in any other way, instead, do the following: first, ask Red Slash on their talk page how they determined consensus (how did they weigh up the various arguments, etc.). You can then explain how you would have determined consensus. If they do not change their mind, then you may appeal the closure at the administrator's noticeboard. --MrClog (talk) 12:20, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Three people, including an admin, who have commented agree it was an inappropriate close that took no account of the arguments and opinions expressed. I tried to get feedback from this "redslash" account and was blown off. Indeed Snoogans needs to get consensus to move forward. I have not edit-warred and did not re-revert the non-admin close despite its inadequacy. Nor have I misrepresented the situation as was done above. As zzuzz said, the RfC was not well thought out.🌿 SashiRolls ^{t · c} 13:31, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

SashiRolls, then you should open a thread at WP:AN where you can appeal the closure. --MrClog (talk) 13:43, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

This is pretty much a no-brainer. I suggest since Snoogans wishes to implement the poor close (while ignoring even the minimal recommendations made by"redslash") they can have it reviewed at AN themselves, but without the misrepresentation of my efforts to understand why an account that has had tools removed is closing non-consensual RfC. 🌿 SashiRolls ^{t · c} 14:00, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

• You've both been pointed to the correct venues (WP:AN, WP:ANI, with the possible addition of WP:AE, which I'm sure your both familiar with). The Help Desk is not the place to continue your war with one another. Kindly take this dispute elsewhere. GMG^talk 14:05, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

My page is deleted many times

Why my page is deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mainul Ahsan Noble (talk • contribs) 10:40, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@Mainul Ahsan Noble: It was deleted because a discussion about the article (not just "page") led to the conclusion that it did not meet Wikipedia's criteria for an article. That discussion can be found at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mainul Ahsan Noble. It cannot be recreated unless the reasons for deletion are addressed. It also seems that you are writing about yourself; please review the autobiography policy and Wikipedia's special definition of a notable singer. 331dot (talk) 10:43, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

It would be wise for you to read your user talk page, together with the deletion log for Mainul Ahsan Noble and the AFD discussion. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:47, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Which reference desk has competence for inquiries on psychology?

I couldn't find a corresponding assignment on the overview main page.--Hildeoc (talk) 11:18, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Hildeoc, psychology is a social science very closely related to humanities, so humanities or science should both be fine. --MrClog (talk) 11:24, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@MrClog: Thank you very much. Intuitively, I chose the Humanities desk ... Ideally, shouldn't a corresponding assignment be added to the directory?--Hildeoc (talk) 11:31, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Hildeoc, feel free to make a proposal at Wikipedia talk:Reference desk (this is not an endorsement, I'm neutral on the topic]]. --MrClog (talk) 12:26, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Link in template may be lacking apostrophe

Specifically, the template for Optical telecommunication. The link for the international maritime signal flags is labeled "[s]hips flags". Could anyone please tell me if it should be "ship's flags" or "ships' flags" instead?--Thylacine24 (talk) 15:04, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@Thylacine24: IMVHO, "ships' flags" would be correct. However, first two pages of Google hits for "ships flags" seem to indicate the no-apostrophe version is quite popular... --CiaPan (talk) 15:08, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. So I guess it's up in the air, then?--Thylacine24 (talk) 15:13, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Sorry for not beginning my sentence with "[c]ould you please tell me..." as I usually do.--Thylacine24 (talk) 15:16, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@Thylacine24: I guess asking at WP:RD/L might bring more answers... --CiaPan (talk) 11:46, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, I'll try that.--Thylacine24 (talk) 12:31, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Typo in a Reference name

Reference 37 for the article, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bass is misspelled. The correct spelling of Dr. Siemers' first name is Brian, as it is written in the article that is cited. I don't know how it was changed to Bryan in the Reference to the Double Bass. He would like his name to be corrected to the actual spelling. Dr. Brian Siemers.

Thank you and have a wonderful Gorgeous Grandma Day!

Probably just a typo - changed to Brian. Mikenorton (talk) 16:41, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

can't get to the page I created to edit Jacques Rey Charlier

I can not get to the page to edit Jacques Rey Charlier — Preceding unsigned comment added by WildFireRumor29 (talk • contribs) 17:16, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

The article is at Draft:Jacques Rey Charlier. TSventon (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

The draft is there at Draft:Jacques Rey Charlier. It was created by User:Wildfire Rumor. David Biddulph (talk) 17:23, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Betty Davis birth year

Hello, The birth year for Betty Davis on her profile is incorrect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Davis

She was born in 1944, not 1945. This article from the Pittsburgh Gazette, the city where she resides, states so: http://www.post-gazette.com/ae/music/2019/07/22/Betty-Davis-interview-funk-legend-Homestead-Miles-A-Little-Bit-Hot-Tonight/stories/201907220086?fbclid=IwAR1uWdkx_MURfD123aOC9SrTTm0z_wEoqx_k8yaqoRIXum-fhvtKlPWbqXI

There will be a special concert this week commemorating her 75th birthday, which is mentioned in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:205F:EB55:ED8E:AF9F:7A62:DB00 (talk) 18:13, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia works on reliable published sources, and some public figures are notoriously unreliable about their birth years. I'm not saying that she is, but given that that source actually says "By most accounts, Betty Mabry was born in Durham, N.C., in 1945. She insists it was 1944", I think the article should discuss the discrepancy (briefly) and give both dates. --ColinFine (talk) 18:30, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

2020 Pro Bowl Site

Did They Announce A Pro Bowl Site for 2020 Or Not I'm Not for Sure if they had or Not. 68.103.78.155 (talk) 18:18, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Entertainment reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. --MrClog (talk) 19:10, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Article images in Google

This is a bit roundabout I know, but...

I was looking for an article in google, Project Excalibur. I noticed that the image that appears in the article synopsys is the wrong one. Does anyone know what the algo is? I'd like to make the right one appear.

Maury Markowitz (talk) 19:23, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. The same feedback facility is also provided on Bing and some other search engines. --ColinFine (talk) 19:42, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you query, but my search is showing the correct images for Wikipedia. Also I don't think we have and control over what Google displays. - FlightTime (open channel) 19:41, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Excuse me if my comment got in your way. - FlightTime (open channel) 19:46, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

How to put an image in a page?

Hello! I am editing a page on Mohan Kanda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohan_Kanda). There are many images of him available online but none is available on his Wikipedia biography. How can I add his image to the page please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hariraysu (talk • contribs) 19:40, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@Hariraysu: You can choose one and request it be uploaded at WP:FFU - FlightTime (open channel) 19:43, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hariraysu (talk • contribs) 19:46, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

However, Hariraysu, most images on the internet cannot be uploaded and used in Wikipedia, because their copyright status does not allow them to be freely reused, and Wikipedia insists on that for most images. If you can find an image which is licensed with a licence such as CC-BY-SA, or if you can persuade the copyright owner of an existing image to release it under that licence, then it may be uploaded and used in Wikipedia. Otherwise, your best bet is to take an image of him yourself, if you are able, as you will own the copyright on that image, and can license it as you upload it. --ColinFine (talk) 19:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

ColinFine, Thank you for clarification. Actually, his image is available in an online newspaper here: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/kanda-panel-recommendations-accepted/article2463047.ece. No copyright information is mentioned there. Does Wikipedia allow to use such images? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hariraysu (talk • contribs) 19:56, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm afraid not, Hariraysu. If there is no copyright information specified, images are assumed to be copyright, and so not usable. --ColinFine (talk) 21:34, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Understood. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hariraysu (talk • contribs) 19:16, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

an article I edited

Last year I edited and article on Sydney Penny. The article mentioned the many projects she worked on, but it neglected to mentioned her guest star role on a episode of Silver Spoons from March 3, 1984, Season 2, episode 17, entitled "Changes". She played a 13 year old tomboy on a baseball team with Ricky. I just noticed that my edit was changed, in fact it was totally removed and no reason was mentioned as to why. I stated a fact and about this actress and it was rejected and I would like to know why. I have a right to know why and I want to know soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbyr55 (talk • contribs) 20:43, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Bobbyr55 You could ask the editor who removed it directly; the editor will be in the article edit history. 331dot (talk) 20:46, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

You did link to Billie in Silver Spoons, which isn't an article. I suspect you meant to link to Billie in Silver Spoons. It's likely that's why it was removed. It was also unsourced information, if in doubt, always supply a source. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:11, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Bobbyr55: Without knowing what was in the other editor's mind I suspect it was because it was incorrectly formatted and produced a redlink for which an article could never exist. The square brackets you used to enclose the entire phrase 'Billie in Silver Spoons' are used to link to existing Wikipedia articles. Wikipedia has an article for Silver Spoons so what should have been inserted was ''[[Silver Spoons]]'' (1984) as Billie. The other editor was Paul Benjamin Austin — adding mention so they can comment if they wish to. Please don't 'demand' answers from discussion boards. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Eagleash (talk) 21:21, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

That is correct. "Billie in Silver Spoons" can never exist so i reverted. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 23:50, 23 July 2019 (UTC)