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Incorrect information

Dear Sir,

I am writing to you about the following URL -

St. Martinus University Faculty of Medicine

The History is incorrect. We have corrected it several times but someone changes it every time we fix it. Please contact me via email or via phone to discuss this matter. Our contact information is on our website - http://www.martinus.edu

I want your attention in this matter as this information hurts our business. Please help us out here as we can not afford Wikipedia to ruin the name of our business.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.153.133.82 (talk) 01:17, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

The edits that were added by User:Caribmd1 were promotional in tone, so they were reverted. Also, if you or the other editors are affiliated with the school, you need to read the guidance at WP:COI before making more edits. RudolfRed (talk) 01:28, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Nobody is going to contact you by email or phone: interaction is here only. If there is incorrect unsourced information, it may be removed, but information to be added must be non-promotional in tone, and verified by reliable published sources. --ColinFine (talk) 12:01, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

OP's edits are here. The history being incorrect seems to relate to that St. Martinus University was was not founded by John Daryanani and that St. Martinus changed ownership in October 2010 rather than reopened under new ownership in October 2010. The John Daryanani information was unsourced, so I removed it. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 13:28, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

How do I find an edit that corresponds to an edit number?

Sometimes in a page history, the summary will say something like "Undid revision 538965000 by user xyz". But, the page history doesn't show version numbers, only time and date and editor name. If I know the revision number, how do I find which edit in the history that corresponds to? I can see the diff, but that doesn't show me when the original change was made. Is there a way to see the page history with version numbers included? RudolfRed (talk) 01:42, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't know a tool to help but here are two manual methods to find the edit. 1) Your browser can probably search for the user name on the page with Ctrl+F. Or just look manually. Hover over the timestamp of revisions by that user. Your browser will probably show the url somewhere, for example near the bottom of the window. The url ends with the revision number. If the user has multiple edits then you can also look for one which changed the page size by the same number of bytes with opposite sign (see Wikipedia:Added or removed characters). 2) Click a random diff. The url in the browser address bar should end with something like &diff=536935949&oldid=536934926. Manually (use copy-paste in your browser) replace this with &diff=538965000 (the revision number). Delete the oldid part. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:17, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Use the oldid parameter. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&oldid=538964944, for example, will bring up revision 538964944 of Wikipedia:Help_desk. At the top of the resulting page is a box showing the editing user and timestamp. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 02:21, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips.

Resolved

RudolfRed (talk) 04:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Add a logo / picture

I had created "Singapore Indian Artistes Association", a non-profit arts organisation in Singapore. But Im stuck in going any further in getting the page fully done like most pages I had seen in Wikipedia and to load a logo on the right side of the page. The tutorials I read didint help me much ... please help. Advance thanks. Kevin Raja — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin raja (talk • contribs) 03:50, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry about the logo just yet. The article has some more fundamental problems which will need to be addressed if it is to avoid deletion. 1. It does not not cite a single reliable source that demonstrates that the organisation is not able as described at WP:ORG. 2. It reads a lot like an advertisement. 3. Was the text copied from somewhere else, maybe the organisation's website?--ukexpat (talk) 04:48, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Dan Roushar

I grew up next door to Dan Roushar, New Orleans Saints Running Backs coach, and he was born 9/27 1960 or 1961 not March 1968 as your website says. He graduated from Clinton High School, Clinton,Iowa in 1979. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.20.14.122 (talk) 03:58, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Looks like 1960. Researching... —[AlanM1(talk)]— 06:00, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

 Done —[AlanM1(talk)]— 07:21, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Mystery redirects

My Dog Has Fleas

I encountered "My dog has fleas instrument" as a crossword puzzle clue, with the answer "uke." Fine, okay, what's that about? I searched for "My Dog Has Fleas" in Wikipedia, and got a redirect to "Ukulele." But that doesn't really tell me a darn thing. Shouldn't there be a Wiki standard requiring an entry on the page to explain the redirect? Here's more info, by the way (I see that some of this is reflected in Talk, but shouldn't there be a Wiki standard?)

From http://www.ukeschool.com/ukulele/tuning/my_dog_has_fleas.html:

You may have heard the phrase My Dog Has Fleas about ukulele tuning. It's a little song, or phrase, that can help you tune your ukulele really quickly! Pluck each of the strings, unfretted, starting with the "G", and sing a word of that phrase to the note each string makes. (G)My (C)Dog (E)Has (A)Fleas! Try this little song every time you've become satisfied that your uke is reasonably in tune - it will become "stuck" in your mind. Sing it out loud, get it more stuck.

So, when you're out trying to tune your ukulele in the real world, you can use the "My Dog Has Fleas" song as a shortcut when you feel that your uke could use a bit of tuning. Let the song "play" in your head - and pluck each of the strings in the order that should produce the little song. Before long, you will be able to get a fair idea of which string is out of tune - because it won't fit with the little song in your head! It's nice to be able to just re-tune the string that's gone out of tune, and using the "My Dog Has Fleas" song as a "reference" can really help you figure out which one to tune, fast!

(Cross-posted at [Talk:Ukulele]) -- Jo3sampl (talk) 04:32, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Note the history of the redirect; it began as a redirect to Banjo before arriving at its current target. In general, we expect the connexion between redirects and their targets to be easily understood — either they should be obvious (for example: redirects from spelling errors such as Untied States, different punctuations like George W Bush, or diacritics like Pokemon), or the article should mention the alternate name. It looks like you've made a decent case for a deletion nomination. Nyttend (talk) 05:47, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Or for updating the Ukulele article to mention the term "My Dog Has Fleas". -Thibbs (talk) 13:25, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I've bumped into this several times before. Based on these replies and my own brief search, I conclude that there's no Wiki standard that applies. Still seems to me that there should be such a guideline. -- Jo3sampl (talk)

Помощь

Long posting in Russian

Здраствуйте. Мне очень нужна Ваша помощь. Меня зовут Оксана я родилась 19 июля 1978 года. Начну с того что я сама с Казахстана,где родилась и выросла. Воспитывала нас одна мать, нас в семье трое девочек, я старшая. Само сабой мать вечно была уставшая не до нас. Она работала с чужими детьми так будто они ее дети, а нас она по моему ненавидила и готова была прибить. Я стала уходить из дома и мать меня отправила в училище для несовершеннолетних, там я провела 2 года. Когда подашел срок ехать домой к этому времяни все изменилось в стране, в городе, но жить с матерью я по прежнему не хотела и не могла (она стала выпивать частенько) .Приехав домой я устроилась работать на стройку, потом одаптировавшись и узнав от знакомой что на яхту в обласную администрацию требуеться официантка я устроилась туда. Через время познакомилась с человеком который посодействовал тому что бы я устроилась на работу стюардесой. Поступила в институт, но посмотрев что все делаеться за взятки, а не по уму я от туда ушла, (документы и по сегодняшний день находяться там).Вышла замуж за Росиянина и уехала в Россию, город Краснодар, работала как прокаженная на трех работах, а муж бездельник еще и погуливал. Развелась и уехала в Казахстан уже беременной на третьем месяце. Родила дочь. С 2005 года я стала заниматься рекрутингом подбором персонала для семей которые нуждаются в нянях, домработницах, сиделках. Но едва сводила концы с концами и открыла еще парикмахерские курсы. Преподователей наняла. обучались мой учащиеся и я с ними за одно. Выпустила три группы по 10 человек. И сама освоила эту профессию. Взяла в аренду маленькую парикмахерскую там принимала людей и практиковалась зарабатывая при этом. Рекрутингом так же по немногу занималась, но присматривала чем же еще можно заработать на жизнь. И стала заниматься проведением детских мероприятий. Наняла для этого людей изготовила костюмы и пристпила к работе. Все вроде бы понемногу по крупицам складывалось. Копила на первоночальный взнос что бы взять в кредит квартиру. Накопила 30% взяла, машину 1996 года старенькую Тайоту взяла с мужчиной познакомилась, но сразу его предупредила что дома сидеть не смогу мне надо работать и если он хочет домашнюю женщину которая булочки будет печь и его ублажать то я не такая. Я твердо знала что мой удел пахать что бы дать дочери хорошее образование. Разрывалась вообщем я между работой , детским садиком, гимнастикой и танцевальным(куда водила свою дочь). Приэтом не забывала каждый год благотворительные мероприятия устраивать. В 2012 году пригласила я к нам в город ледовое шоу с Москвы. Хотелось хорошее сделать. Один концерт полностью благотворительный был для детей из детских домов нашего города. А остальные по билетам которые я думала разлетяться быстро. Но все СМИ стали твердить о конце света, а мои мероприятия приходились именно на эти дни 21,22,23 декабря 2012 года. Вообщем что бы провести эти мероприятия я продала квартиру,машину и осталась по уши в долгах, но это не беда все зарабатываеться и работы я не боюсь. Просто теперь конечно сложнее с тремя детьми на съёмной квартире без машины и без денег, но я справлюсь. А вот теперь о главном я приглашала ледовое шоу для того что бы и народ посмотел и реакцию народа на такие шоу программы посмотреть, заработать конечно хотела и для того чтобы работу профессионалов посмотреть из нутри самой. Я хочу создать в Театр сцены и льда. Образования у меня специального нет но у меня есть опыт накопленный годами.И я хотела бы дать людям возсожность у которых нет денег обучаться и ребятам из детских домов, обучаться и работать в театре. Гастролировать и достойно зарабатывать. Вообщем я все рассказала о себе и о своих планах.Если Вы псчитаете что я не достойна помощи значит так оно и есть, а если кто то откликнется на мою просьбу о помощи ведь мне нужно 300.000$ на создание труппы и приобретение инвентаря и чере год мы сможем гастролировать у меня и преподователи есть желающие работать со мной. но НЕТ ДЕНЕГ. И если Вы поможете дорогие люди Мир станет немножечко добрее и детки будут счастливее. Мы будем тоже заниматься благотворительностью. Ведь это я уже делала не смотря на то что сама не богота)) Моя электронная почта <email redacted> я скину Вам свои реквизиты. Спасибо и храни Вас Бог!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.134.25.60 (talk) 06:18, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure in what language you've written. But I think you're from Kazakhstan. And seeing you writing I think you're trying to write an article. But this is help desk. Here we solve problems about editing. You can go to the WP:AFC for this.--Pratyya ^(Hello!) 06:58, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

If I understand correctly, you are asking for help with a personal problem. Unfortunately that is not a kind of help the Help desk offers. Sorry —teb728 t c 07:13, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah for the first time I understood wrong. Now I know what're you trying to say. But really this is not the place what're you asking for. We answer questions about editing here. Good luck. Hope you can fulfill you dream.--Pratyya ^(Hello!) 07:43, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

As I understand it,[1] OP is asking for $300,000 to train kids at an orphanage to perform in a traveling ice skating show. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 13:19, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

LIVERPOOL AIRPORT

Bristol Britannia G-ANCF which is preserved outside the Old Terminal Building at Speke is owned by The Britannia Aircraft Preservation Trust ( BAPT )and has nothing to do with The Jetstream Club ( now renamed Speke Airport Historical Group ). Details of the aircraft and the BAPT can be found on our website www.Bristol-Britannia.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.1.97.2 (talk) 10:35, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I've shifted your comment here. Hopefully some of the regulars at that page will be able to help you out. -Thibbs (talk) 13:14, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Centring table text

Hey, how can i centre the text of an entire column in the first table here without adding | align="center" | to every cell? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 12:21, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if that would be possible. What if you added {{yes}} to the numbers that you want to have centred? It would correspond with your use of {{no}} and {{TBA}}, and it appears to include a command to centre the text. Nyttend (talk) 12:54, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I was in the process of removing the "yes" templates since i don't think they're necessary any more. I can always centre the rows manually - I just thought there might be a simpler way. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 13:01, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

On image in a different WP

Hi,

I'm trying to port this article from the italian WP over to the english WP but I'm having troubles with some images that can't be linked. This is the list of said images:

• Vela Molecular Ridge
• VMR A
• VMR B
• VMR C
• VMR D
• IRAS 09002−4732
• Vela R2

What can I do to make them correctly display here? Is this a copyright issue? Regards. Gaba p (talk) 12:52, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Most of them appear to be marked as "Nonfree copyrighted, and used with permission". However, that doesn't explain File:Gum25atlas.jpg, which is PD-USGov-NASA. Nyttend (talk) 12:58, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I am sorry, but those images can't be used because they have only been uploaded to the Italian Wikipedia, not to the English Wikipedia. Those files can only be used at the Italian Wikipedia. You can only use files which have been uploaded to English Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons here at the English Wikipedia. Sincerely. --Ushau97 ^{talk contribs} 13:01, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

English Wikipedia can link to images in commons.wikimedia.org. If they are Nonfree copyrighted, they probably would have to meet WP:NFCC and also be uploaded directly into English Wikipedia. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 13:03, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I figured it had to be something with the files not being uploaded to Wikimedia. I've asked the original uploader permission to re-use the files here. I'll wait to see what he says about it. Thanks everybody, cheers. Gaba p (talk) 13:13, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand what the Italian Wikipedia is doing, but we can only use files that bear a free license compatible with ours or are PD. We can't use images by permission for our use only. Having permission may be boot and suspenders to a fair use claim but a full fair use claim would be needed anyway, so getting permission for our use only, while they retain a license that is incompatible with ours, is fairly worthless.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:42, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

So what are you saying Fuhghettaboutit? I can't use the images even if the original uploader uploads them to Wikimedia? Gaba p (talk) 13:47, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

The copyrighted images cannot be used on EN Wikipedia, as they clearly violate WP:NFCC#1. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 13:49, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Couldn't the original uploader get a similar copyright license to use them in the EN WP? (sorry for all these questions, I still don't really grasp all the subtleties of copyright and such) Gaba p (talk) 13:52, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure how the Italian project does it; but here in the EN WP, we do not accept any kind of "permission to use in Wikipedia only" license. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:00, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, AFAIK you can't use any of them here except as fair use and I agree with Toshio that they would not qualify under the first NFCC criterion. Whether the original uploader uploads them here or you do is neither here nor there since the non-free copyright license is retained by the owners. You can always ask for a second opinion at WP:MCQ.---Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:04, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I cannot see the OTRS ticket for these files and I don't know whether the ticket permits use on EN Wikipedia or not. If not, then the images cannot be used on Wikipedia under any circumstances. The images need to be released under a free license or in the public domain to be usable at EN Wikipedia. Sometimes images can be used under a fair use claim. Such images, however, need to comply with our non-free content policy, which these images never can, because they will always fail the first of the non-free cotent criteria. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 14:10, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Ok, the original uploader has left a message in my talk page[2] saying something about an "OTRS ticket" (no idea what that is) He mentions that "under specific cases, not free images could be uploaded in local wikipedia (in this case, en.wp). Altough an OTRS ticket should be valid for any version of wikipedia, specific cases may have to be discussed in the local wiki in wich you want to use it". What do you guys say? Is there a chance I could use those images over here? Regards. Gaba p (talk) 14:19, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Did you not follow the link that he gave you, to meta:OTRS#Permissions? That page explains what OTRS is. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:26, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I had missed that. I read that article now but I'm still not sure if anything can be done regarding the use of these images here. According to the uploader there is an OTRS ticket concerning those images that should be valid here too. He also directed me to EDP policy which apparently is what permits it.wp to host those files. He's not sure the same applies here though. What should my next step be? Should I contact a specific team to sort this out? Regards. Gaba p (talk) 15:07, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Oh dear, I am an OTRS agent, and I looked at the ticket for Vela R2. I haven't reviewed it in detail, but I don't believe it would be acceptable for En wiki, and I'll be surprised if it is acceptable to it wiki. However, it is four years old, and we are a bit tighter today that we were then. I can't look into this thoroughly now, but I'll ask.

FTR, there is a OTRS noticeboard for questions like this.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 15:36, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Ticket To Purgatory

It will be 69 yrs this July 6, 1944 when Ringling Bros and Barnum & Bailey circus fire happened in Hartford, Conn. I am in the process of updating the above story as in my career as a musician, actor, builder, writer, etc. I have run into other people who was at the fire or know some one who thinks they know some thing about the fire. I was 11 yrs old and went to the fire with my uncle, Milt Shaw who was Chief of Police in our home town of Farmington. I would like to know if you can use this true story as i will be sending it out this spring once it is ready to newspapers. Magizines, to keep this story alive. Even Inside Edition needs to update it. Please advise me on this or who to send it to . Thanks Forrest Draper <redacted> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.130.31.185 (talk) 13:11, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Forrest. Whilst your story of the fire sounds interesting, Wikipedia is not the place to publish new information or research. If one or more of the newpapers that you send your information to subsequently publish the story, we can use that as a source to create or amend an article, but until your account is published in a reliable source, Wikipedia cannot make use of it. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:16, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

There is an article on the incident at Hartford_circus_fire, one of the very notable events in Hartford history. Your account cannot be directly used here, you should arrange to have it published, then you or others can use it to improve the existing article. We are not a publisher of primary or even secondary material, we are a tertiary source, and reference mostly secondary sources published elsewhere, which yours will be.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 13:16, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Van Horn High School(Missouri) vs Van Horn High School(Texas)

Van Horn, Texas there possibly a few off the right path? see the site it helps to get the error in the ways. Any one see a problem here? take a look at the base page for it on Facebook here, Van Horn High School. It has Van Horn, Texas by location, but it actually an Independence, Missouri article. In doing so, the real Van Horn High School Texas is not the right one as seen by location misleading is what they show for VHHS in searches by location, I grew up in the Texas school. know a few from the Missouri school (falcons) who don't get it either, Van Horn High School Texas (eagles) please correct, Van Horn Texas school is here. http://www.ccaisd.net/ Van Horn High School Texas on Facebook a alumni page(eaglesruletheskies) many of my friends are mislead to Missouri under the disguise of Texas. School is in 2 places according to 1 page. cut and pasted from the page it came up as on Facebook for VHHS, and your main pages is set differently but shows the same incorrect info. Isolate Missouri to there page and Texas to Texas, so all those living in Texas and listing Missouri will get it. but same as Missouri to Texas school, not! no option, see.please repair. thks for your time. D Van Horn High School Van Horn High School is a comprehensive high school located at 1109 Arlington in Independence, Missouri, United States. It is part of the Independence School District. School Background Van Horn opened in 1955 and the first class graduated in 1956. Van Horn was named the first "A+ designated school" of the Kansas City, M...Continue Reading From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia • Edit on Wikipedia I can't figure the edit changes page stuff, if it can be corrected someone please do it. 108.244.88.44 (talk) 13:56, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

This is not a Wikipedia problem, this is a (fairly common) Facebook problem. You need to complain to them, as Wikipedia has nothing to do with their errors. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:04, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

How to deal with this contradictory information?

Resolved

 – I will investigate this further at User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Library figures and depending on the outcome of that maybe correct any wrong numbers. Thanks for the replies. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 16:08, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

The article National Library of China says that NLC is the largest library in Asia and there are three citations for this claim which all look relatively reliable. Yet according to List of largest libraries, both the National Diet Library and the Grand People's Study House are larger. Is there a way to resolve this? -- Toshio Yamaguchi 15:02, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

if the reliable 3rd party sources say one and they say the other wikipedia has to say both and refernee to both, wikipedia does not make the deicison on which is larger only what the sources say as long as there reliable. i had similar problem on another article where the reliable 3rd party sources said two copletel oppisite ends of the spectrum and it psychical impossiable to be both but the article meantions both in teh context of the reference it not for wikipedia to decide, sorry my head to sore to spell checkAndrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 15:07, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

The official page of the NLC here numbers the collection at 28,979,203 items, so if the numbers for the National Diet Library and the Grand People's Study House in List of largest libraries are correct (which I haven't confirmed yet), then the claim that the NLC is the largest in Asia is clearly incorrect. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 15:21, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Without looking at the specifics, I think the usual approach is to acknowledge the differences in the text, e.g "according to source X, Location a is the largest, while according to source Y, location B is the largest." --SPhilbrick(Talk) 15:29, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)There are a few ways to handle this situation. First of all, Andrewcrawford is right that presenting both contradictory facts is often a good way to proceed if both claims are sourced by RSes of equal quality and strength. But the article usually must point out the contradiction and discuss it (e.g. "Official sources differ on which is the biggest X. Although the Department of Y claims that it is Z,[source] The Department of W claims that it is V.[source]"). This puts it in proper context unlike e.g. "The biggest X is Z[source] or V[source]". Another way to handle this requires the use of WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. Here the sources will be carefully analyzed by multiple independent editors on the talk page and a consensus will be formed regarding which is the correct fact. The incorrect fact can then be removed as according to the consensus. This requires an in-depth examination of the sources and a reasoned explanation for why one source is trusted and the other isn't. This can help to avoid problems where one otherwise reliable source makes a typo or mathematical error, etc. (i.e. an oversight, minor mistake, or mistake unrelated to the RS's field of expertise, but not an evaluative error). But this is a weaker solution as consensus can change and new editors can always challenge the removal of the previously determined incorrect info. -Thibbs (talk) 15:31, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Also it should be noted that local consensus can never subvert broader consensus or the guidelines or policies of Wikipedia. It only allows limited editorial discretion. -Thibbs (talk) 15:33, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I am going to analyze it further at User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Library figures. I found that the source provided for the Grand People's Study House doesn't actually contain the cited figure (at least I couldn't find it). The information in the article on the North Korean library merely says that "the building can house up to 30 million books", so there seems to be room to improve some things. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 16:01, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Annie Shepherd Swan

I think your information on the birthplace of annie Shephed Swan is wrong. According to Mildred Robertson Nicoll who edited the Letters of Annie S. Swan, she was born in Edinburgh, see page 2. This is an easy mistake to make as Annie in her autobiography,My Life, refers to her early life at Mountskip and it is natural to assume that she was born there. soon after her birth her father moved to the farm of Temple Hill near Coldingham in Berwickshire — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.133.65 (talk) 15:37, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I tracked down a source ([3]) that refers to Mountkip. Do you have more details of Ms Nicoll's publication that refers to Edinburgh so that we can verify that?--ukexpat (talk) 16:54, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

This source notes that the Discover Scottish Writers series published by the Scottish Library Association identifies Swan as being born in Edinburgh. I opened an article talk page discussion here. I suspect that she was born in Mountskip since some people born in less well known locations use the nearest big city/place as their birth location. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:58, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Requesting Change: Uncle Tom's Cabin Listing on Museums Page

RE: Requesting changes to list of Museums in Maryland web page: List of museums in Maryland

Changes/Edits needed Since the name changed to Josiah Henson, it will need to be placed in proper alphabetical order in the chart and the entry with the Uncle Tom’s Cabin (Riley House) should be removed.

Name: Josiah Henson Park [change name.]

Locations: North Bethesda [change location name and link: North Bethesda, Maryland

Area of Study: African American [change name]

Summary: [change description and link] The park is located on the old Isaac Riley Farm where Reverend Josiah Henson lived and worked as a slave from 1795 to 1830. His 1849 autobiography inspired Harriet Beecher Stowe's landmark novel, “Uncle Tom's Cabin”. [Website. (link = http://www.josiahhensonsite.org)]

Regards,

Lafate Smith Web & New Media Specialist Montgomery Parks <phone # redacted> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.76.119.130 (talk) 16:05, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

• Jllm06 made the change here. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:46, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Gavin Wheeldon article

Good afternoon,

The following article was recently altered to contain false information: Gavin Wheeldon.

The article states that Gavin founded thebigword (1st paragraph in the Business career section)when in fact he merely worked for them.

Please see below for a reference: http://www.whoislog.info/profile/gavin-wheeldon.html

Please can this be removed at your earliest convenience?

Lexicon456 (talk) 16:19, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I am afraid that http://www.whoislog.info/profile/gavin-wheeldon.html is no good as a reference as it appears to be a mirror of an earlier version of the Wikipedia article.--ukexpat (talk) 16:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I have removed the disputed content as I looked at the source material (after requesting access through WP:RX) and verification failed. Not only wasn't the company named, but he was named the founder of an entirely different company. He may have only worked there, or he may have founded it as stated, but the citation provided no corroboration either way.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:26, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Saving Edits

I have attempted to update my information on Glenn Cameron. I clicked on "Edit", added the updated information and clicked on the "Save" button at the bottom of the screen however the changes I have made do not appear. How do I properly save the changes?

CameronGlenn (talk) 16:55, 19 February 2013 (UTC)Glenn Cameron

I see your edit in this diff. If you are not seeing it, please try bypassing your cache.--ukexpat (talk) 17:29, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Please also be aware that just as in legal practice, conflict of interest rules apply at Wikipedia as well. Making unduly self-serving edits may result in the blocking of your account. Please familiarize yourself with the linked rules. -Thibbs (talk) 18:05, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

please delete my birthday

Miya Ando (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Dear Wikipedia, i am the subject of miya ando biographical page. I would like the page deleted, especially the date of birth. I am trying to protect my privacy. please help. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.78.166 (talk) 17:02, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

You were told what to do on your talk page (User talk:66.108.78.166) on 15 December 2012 and again on 23 December 2012.

Also, there is no birthday on the Miya Ando page.

Also see: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Miya Ando

--Guy Macon (talk) 20:05, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes there is no date of birth in the article, but there was some time ago. The contributions for Newyorkartcollector2010 (talk · contribs) could be relevant here. Astronaut (talk) 17:37, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

When does a non-fiction book "summary" become too long?

I'm currently in the process of writing an article for the book Before the Dawn: Recovering the Lost History of Our Ancestors, and attempting to summarise its 314 pages. I'm only superficially covering the main points of each chapter and have decided to condense the book's twelve chapters into five sections. However, the first section (which covers chapters one to three) has already grown to four paragraphs. Assuming I give the other sections a similar treatment of three or four paragraphs, the summary might end up being 16–20 paragraphs long. I want to adequately summarise the book, though, and I don't think I could do that in under ten paragraphs. How long is too long? Hayden120 (talk) 17:26, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I am not sure that it is necessary or appropriate to provide a detailed summary of every chapter. Wikipedia isn't Cliff Notes after all. There is some guidance at Wikipedia:BOOKS and if you need additional advice, you should ask on that WikiProject's talk page.--ukexpat (talk) 17:34, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll ask the question there. Hayden120 (talk) 17:53, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

If you are writing for a Wikipedia article, you should find reliable sources that are independent of the Before the Dawn book and summarize what those independent sources write the 314 pages of Before the Dawn. In other words, rather than looking directly at the Before the Dawn book and using your own judgment as a Wikipedia editor, you should be using the judgment of the independent reliable sources to determine what is and is not important enough from the Before the Dawn book to include in the Wikipedia article. Editors with different/better/worse judgment than your own can come along change your summary based on their own different/better/worse judgment whereas the information from the independent reliable sources are fixed in time. Using independent reliable sources also will help you keep the length of the Wikipedia article in check. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:43, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

I have never seen a book summary written according to independent sources. The book summary is simply what the book says, and I have summarised that in eight paragraphs. None of my personal opinions are invested into it. If anyone changes the summary based on their own judgement, they would be deviating from the content of the book. There are also balanced background and reception sections which are based on reliable, independent sources. Cheers, Hayden120 (talk) 04:43, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Mahatma Gandhi's name is misspelled in Wikipedia.

There is a Wiki page entitled "Mahatma Ghandi". The correct way to spell his name is "Gandhi". The reason that I noticed this is because I made the exact same mistake in the past.

Merci encore,

David Vardy Dartmouth, Nova Scotia Canada, eh? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.7.174.205 (talk) 19:08, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

We don't have an article titled Mahatma Ghandi; that page is a redirect to Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, precisely because it's such a common misspelling. Deor (talk) 19:31, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, why did you think "Mahatma Ghandi" was the name of the page? The page history of the redirect shows that many others have thought this and added complaints.[4] I have never seen a redirect with a single such comment, and this has five. All were added while the page was a working redirect and people shouldn't land on the page unless they click a special type of link like http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mahatma_Ghandi&redirect=no. I wonder whether such a link is somewhere on a popular Internet page. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:58, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Come to think of it, some mirrors of Wikipedia have edit links like http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mahatma_Ghandi&action=edit. This would enable people not knowing how Wikipedia works to edit the redirect page instead of following the redirect to Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. Maybe a mirror is displaying a copy of the real article on a page with heading "Mahatma Ghandi", and an edit link to Wikipedia's redirect. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:11, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Disambiguation help

We don't have an article about a 2006 German film called NimmerMeer which was released in the UK and US as "Nevermore". [5] However, we already have a Nevermore (film) article about a 2008 US movie. I was thinking of creating a stub but din't know what to call it. Help! Alansplodge (talk) 19:15, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Nevermore (2006 film) for instance. Ruslik_Zero 19:36, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Indeed so, as per Alansplodge's addition of the redlink to Nevermore (disambiguation).--ukexpat (talk) 19:59, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

That was a stab in the dark - I thought I ought to check here first. Alansplodge (talk) 01:49, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

WP:2DABS seems to cover this situation. The Nevermore (film) article could be moved to Nevermore (2006 English film) and the the few articles which link there can easily be manually redirected. Nevermore (film) could be deleted, could become a redirect to Nevermore (disambiguation), could become a disambiguation page, and/or WP:DABLINKS could be placed in the two film articles (making it a disambiguation redirect seems preferable to me, with disambiguation being done by Nevermore (disambiguation). Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 21:02, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure "English film" is really helpful - it's actually American. Whatabout if I go for "Nevermore (2006 film)" and rename the other one ""Nevermore (2008 film)", redirecting "Nevermore (film)" to the "Nevermore (disambiguation)" page? Alansplodge (talk) 01:55, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

My new article

Hi there, I'm going to create a Wikipedia Article for a new Secondary School in my area. Its a Church of England school so would I put that in the article name?  thesimsmania  20:26, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

By analogy with Magnus Church of England School and Waddesdon Church of England School I would say yes, it is OK.--ukexpat (talk) 20:32, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Hide/Spoiler Tags?

Wikipedia doesn't use hide/spoiler tags to diminish the size of articles with a lot of information.Why? as an example the jazz page has so many ramifications that could use it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.22.212.119 (talk) 22:05, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia:Spoiler help?--SPhilbrick(Talk) 22:10, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

In some cases, hiding text to diminish the size of articles won't allow article content to be accessible on devices that do not support JavaScript or CSS. See MOS:SCROLL. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:25, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

As a general rule we prefer to WP:Split articles that grow too long. Selectively hiding some content can be confusing to readers. Roger (talk) 12:48, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Regarding a company page - concerns.

Hi Wikipedia Admin/Support,

I have emailed (info-en@wikimedia.org) regarding my concerns with MYOB (company) and I am one of the editors from the company. Having no intention to gain any advantage I am happy to roll back any changes that are deemed as promotional.

Kind Regards, -Sanjay — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.34.100.2 (talk) 22:39, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I have just taken an axe to the article and chopped out a lot of unsourced stuff, promotional content and marketing-speak. In view of your conflict of interest, please use the article's talk page to request any further changes, providing reliable, third party sources to support them. Thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 01:37, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello IP address. I have made an effort at a quick cleanup of promotion on the page as well. Senra flagged this discussion to me, because I have previously offered to help any PR person who asks for it; meaning that I will provide more detailed advice, feedback and instructions to anyone willing to make the time commitment to learn how to contribute here constructively in a marketing role.

If you would like to take a second stab at the article that is more compliant with Wikipeida's rules, please register a username and contact me on my Talk page. So long as you are willing to make the time-commitment to learn, I would be willing to spend the time to teach the appropriate way to contribute as a marketing professional. CorporateM (Talk) 03:10, 20 February 2013 (UTC)