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January 14

Which 1990's cartoon is it?

I was born in 1995 and I used to watch the children's entertainment channel CiTV/CITV/ChildrensITV. I used to watch a profram about 3 fleas. 1 was green, 1 was red and 1 was blue (i think). This was around 1997-1999 approximatly. It was a cartoon about 3 fleas of differand sizsz and colours but I can't remember anything else. I enjoyed the programme very much and if anyone knows, please tell me because it would give me great childhood memories if I could have the name, find a clip of it and watch the cartoon, thank you. I have searched through wikipedias collection of programmes broadcast but couldn't find it but I'll send the lnk in case it may help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programmes_broadcast_by_CITV . Thank you, Jason, (UK) --82.28.59.173 (talk) 02:15, 14 January 2010 (UTC) ^{-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------}

Possibly Oggy and the cockroaches? See a clip here. Also note that this page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please ask any future knowledge questions such as this at the reference desk.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:27, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page, but the references will not show without a <references/> tag.

Resolved

 –  – ukexpat (talk) 03:48, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

When attempting to create a new page I keep getting "Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page, but the references will not show without a <references/> tag." even though my page includes

==References== <references/>

What's the reason please? GTHO (talk) 03:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

What article? If we can look it over, we can fix it! -- Jayron32 03:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to show you the problem when I can't save the page. GTHO (talk) 03:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

<references/> or {{reflist}} must come after all your <ref></ref> tagged references, maybe that's the problem? – ukexpat (talk) 03:11, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure how you can not save the page; broken refs don't cause the page to become unsavable. The ONLY thing that can usually cause a page to not save is if the page has an external link on the spam blacklist. Please check it over carefully, a blacklisted link is the ONLY thing that usually prevents saving, so what is likely happening is one of your refs is on a black listed site. When you try to save the page, look over the ENTIRE thing carefully, you should be getting an error message which tells you that one of your external links is blacklisted. --Jayron32 03:15, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I was able to save it this time but it still has the tag error. The article is Chrysler VIP GTHO (talk) 08:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. The last reference was missing a closing </ref>. Deor (talk) 10:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Google Chrome Layout Problem

I'm using Google chrome and at some point in the past few days Wikipeida's layout hasn't been working on my browser. I've updated chrome a few times in case it was a browser malfunction, and it wasn't. Im hoping someone can look into this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.155.249.163 (talk) 03:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia had layout problems discussed at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 120#Rendering issue? It should have been resolved before your post. Do you still have problems? PrimeHunter (talk) 04:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Reference error at Tank

Resolved

 –  – ukexpat (talk) 03:48, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Can someone fix the referencing error at tank? It's displaying one of those "Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page, but the references will not show without a <references/> tag." notes, even though there's a reflist located below every cited reference. I don't know what's missing. Nyttend (talk) 03:42, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Fixed in [1]. Ref code should be before the reference section but this was transcluded after. I fixed your post here to nowiki the markup.[2]PrimeHunter (talk) 03:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Why were there tagged refs in a navbox anyway? I have never seen that before. This would have caused the same problem in every article where it is transcluded at the end of the article. I have reverted them. – ukexpat (talk) 04:03, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia's Home Page

What happened to Wikipedia's home page? Why was it changed? I liked the original look. It was easy to use and the search field was right there at the top waiting to be filled in.

Can you email me and let me know what's going on and why the change?

Bill <redacted> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.107.104.158 (talk) 06:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi Bill, the English Wikipedia's homepage has not changed, its possible that you are viewing the Wikipedia home page for all its projects, http://wikipedia.org/ rather than the English wikipedia home page, which is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, Or visa-versa (they both have search fields). Please let us know if this fixes the problem. Kind regards, Spitfire^Tally-ho! 07:47, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Because of server problems (I guess) the simple text interface was being displayed briefly about 30 minutes ago. If you clear your cache it should be back to normal. – ukexpat (talk) 15:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Oracle bought Java?

Is Oracle bought Java? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Velmurugan b (talk • contribs) 08:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

This page is only for questions about using Wikipedia. Please ask this question on Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. --Teratornis (talk) 09:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

See Teratornis' advice above. The short answer is yes (Oracle is in the process of acquiring Sun Microsystems, who designed and implemented Java). decltype (talk) 09:38, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Delete

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 –  – ukexpat (talk) 03:47, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I want that the page Meijwes will be delete. So fast possible. As soon possible. Thank you. The page must be delete. --Jansma (talk) 08:46, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

 Done per WP:CSD#G7 -author request. Pedro :  Chat  09:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

What does it mean that my article has no assertion of notability? How could I edit it?

My article "Divine plugin" was deleted on the 29th of December, 2009, because it has no assertion of notability. Could you explain, what does it mean and what should I change in it?

My article "Divine plugin" was deleted on the 29th of December, 2009, because it has no assertion of notability. Could you explain, what does it mean and what should I change in it? Thank you in advance. Here is the article:

Please take a look at the general notability guideline. You will also need significant coverage in reliable sources to support assertions of notability. – ukexpat (talk) 15:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Also note that the sources needs to be independent of the subject. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 16:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

collapsing article text

Divine plugin (also called Divine Project) was developed for conversion of a PSD template to a ready theme website CMS. The first versions, Divine Free and Personal Edition, mean theme creation for Wordpress CMS. History of the product's appearance Divine plugin is the brainchild of Divine team. The first outlines of the project were made early in 2007, but the resources for the project's start-up and the first team members were found only in October, 2008. The first stable release of Divine Free Edition 0.5.0 was presented in July, 2009 as a simple opportunity to convert a PSD template to a Wordpress theme. Release history The first stable version Divine Free Edition 0.5.0 was released in July, 2009. Support service Divine project team also created Ideastrunk service - a separate service for collecting opinions, suggestions, criticism and their discussion. The main purpose of all of this is to give Divine’s users an opportunity to be on the peak of modern technologies’ possibilities in websites building. External links Divine Official site Support service

Wikipedia app for the iPhone - using spaces in the search field

Hello,

I tried to search for "homeland, ca" on the official Wikipedia program for the iPhone. The search result doesn't return the correct page, just a list of irrelevant results and adds "%20" to reference a space.

If I search for "homeland,ca" without the space, the search result is returned correctly.

This does not happen on the website through a PC in IE8 for example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.251.72.26 (talk) 16:03, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Emotionally Focused Therapy

There are various errors and omissions with this page. What should I do to correct? I am not the original author. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hereandnow73 (talk • contribs) 16:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

The best place to discuss this would be on the article's talk page: explain what you think is incorrect (or missing), along with reliable, independent sources which show your information. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 16:11, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Copyright

What is the difference between a 'dialogue transcript' and 'an actual working script', when they both refer to, for example, an episode of a TV show? Are either of these acceptable to be linked to in a 'References' section of an article, when that article is about a certain character that appears only once in the entire show, and only during that particular episode? I am in a dispute with someone who says that the external web-page that I linked to in order to show the script of the episode does not have the copyright to publish the script, and I therefore cannot use it as a reference. At the top of the web-page, it says who the writers of the original script are, and also says that 'this [page] is a dialogue transcript and not an actual working script'. Does this make a difference? Is there anything else I can do to ensure that the script of the episode is linked to the article? TIA. --KageTora - (影虎) (A word...?) 17:14, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, the difference between the two is that an 'actual working script' is the bit of paper that the actors used, and a 'dialogue transcript' is the words actually said in the final broadcast version. So, for example, if during the take that was used, the actor said "Ma" instead of "Mum", the script would say "Mum", as that is what was written for the actor to say - the transcript would have "Ma" though, as those are the actual words broadcast.

Regarding the copyright issue: unless the website is owned by the actual writers of the script (and it has a clear statement allowing use under conditions which our licensing covers), then the script is copyrighted to the writers, whereas the transcript is copyrighted to (if I remember correctly) both the writers and the broadcasting organisation. As such, it is correct that the webpage is not linked to from Wikipedia, as we cannot link to content which we know is in breach of copyright.

From what I can see, there is no way in which you can ensure that the script of the episode is linked to the article, if the website hosting it is in breach of copyright. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 17:24, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Navbox links not showing up in What Links Here after a significant period of time?

Nearly 24 hours ago, I added Site 36BD90 to {{Monongahela villages in Pennsylvania}}, and I changed the link to Bedford Village Archeological Site (to which the first title now redirects) somewhat more than an hour ago. However, five of the six other pages on which the template is displayed do not appear in What Links Here for the article (the one that does has a link to the redirect), even though it's been a day. Have I somehow done something wrong, or is this just rather bad server lag? Nyttend (talk) 17:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

This is normal behaviour for WhatLinksHere! If a template is on page A, the links in that template do not show up on the WhatLinksHere for Page A. The WhatLinksHere shows the actual links on Page A, not links in templates that are on that page. For example, if you look at Hazel Dormouse, the template on that page (Extant species of family Gliridae (Dormice)) has 45 links in it. If WhatLinksHere included those, then you'd have a page full of links - but none of those article have a specific link (other than in the template) to Hazel Dormouse.

Have a look at this page: User:Phantomsteve/test-bed. That has the same template on it - but if you look at WhatLinksHere, there are two links: one is this page, the other is a previous Help Desk question where I used that page as an example. It makes sense, as those two pages are the only pages with a link to that page. All of the articles in the navigation box do not have a link to my test-bed, so all those articles shouldn't be on the WhatLinksHere list.

I hope this explains it, if not let us know - maybe someone can explain it more clearly than I have! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 21:37, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't know what you mean. Richland Township, Logan County, Ohio does not have the code of [[Santa Fe, Ohio]], but Santa Fe's WhatLinksHere includes Richland Township and every other Logan County township, due to {{Logan County, Ohio}}. I don't understand why {{Logan County, Ohio}} and {{Monongahela villages in Pennsylvania}} aren't behaving the same way, unless perhaps because the county template is three years old, and the Monongahela template less than three days old. Nyttend (talk) 03:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

The difference between my situation and your test page is that the navbox you've placed on the test page doesn't have a link for the test page, but my Monongahela template links to the Bedford Village article. Nyttend (talk) 03:30, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Marinus van der Lubbe

In a photograph accompanying the article it is stated that this is the window through which Marinus van der Lubbe supposedly entered the building. But there is handwriting on the photo, in German: it states "Von Feuerwehr zertrümmerte Scheibe", which translates as: "broken by the firefighters". I would suggest, therefore, that this picture image be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.133.8.114 (talk) 17:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Handwriting on a photo probably does not, by itself, constitute a reliable published source. Do you have any reliable source to support your assertion? --Teratornis (talk) 20:07, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Can I change the AfD debate category after I've submitted it?

I forgot to set the AfD debate category before I submitted the form, so I edited the discussion to change the category from U to M. The debate is now in the right AfD category, but did I break any of the Wiki-machinery by doing this? Yappy2bhere (talk) 18:49, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Nope, that should be fine. TNXMan 18:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Page code recover

My page [3] has been deleted due to lack of visibility. I'm going to improve the page contents and insert it into the Article Incubator [4]. Actually the problem is that i do not have a copy of it. How can I receive a copy of it or how can I ask to have it moved to the incubator in order to work on it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magnonis (talk • contribs) 19:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

You'll need to ask an administrator to userfy the article for you, which will involve moving it to your userspace. Hope this helps. Set Sail For The Seven Seas 303° 11' 45" NET 20:12, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

The request is about Wikipedia:Article Incubator which is a recent alternative to userfication. What do you mean by "My page"? Your account was created an hour before this post and has no edits other than this request. Do you know others who have expressed interest in working on it? The article was created in 2008 by User:Giovanni.Mariani with a copy of the copyrighted http://www.multicube.eu/about.html. Are you Giovanni.Mariani? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:21, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Stefano is a colleague of the mentioned Giovanni Mariani (myself). He's allowed from our side to work on the page. I hope this is fine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marianig (talk • contribs) 08:11, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Your request at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion/Current requests#MULTICUBE was declined by Fabrictramp. I have posted a notification of your new request at User talk:Fabrictramp#MULTICUBE undeletion request. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:40, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm swamped in real life atm, but I have no objection to anyone else moving this over. However, there's just nothing worth moving -- the entire article consisted of an infobox and a single unsourced sentence.--Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:21, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

languages

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 –  – ukexpat (talk) 03:46, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

is it possible to start a new language section of wikipedia? by this I mean translate some articles into latin and make a latin section of wikipedia. even though its a dead language and all, it'd be pretty cool. (could you respond on my talk page?) --Violarulez (talk) 21:07, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

The Latin Wikipedia is at http://la.wikipedia.org. Algebraist 21:09, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Problem when I moved article from user page into main wikipedia (seems to be 2 articles now, 1 with an unwanted redirect from my user page)

Resolved

 –  – ukexpat (talk) 03:45, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi,your assistance would be very much appreciated.

I created a draft article by making a subpage on my user page with /Vortex Indicator. When the article was ready I clicked on "move" and changed the name from "User:Vickypedia30/Vortex Indicator" to just "Vortex Indicator". I thought this would mean my article went live in the main Wikipedia without any reference to my original user page.

However, when I google Vortex Indicator Wikipedia, the only article that comes up is one called "User:Vickypedia30/Vortex Indicator" and when I click on this link, I see under the main heading of "Vortex Indicator" these words:(Redirected from User:Vickypedia30/Vortex Indicator).

At the same time, when I do a search directly in Wikipedia, I find the correct article called "Vortex Indicator" with no redirect underneath. This is what I want to see in Google too - I don't want all that other User Vickypedia30 stuff popping up on peoples' google searches!

It seems therefore, that there are two articles floating around, one with a redirect from my user page which I don't want, and the other a normal Wikipedia article like I intended.

What can I do to delete the incorrect article containing the redirect? I have tried blanking out my user page but that has made no difference. Why does Google have one article and Wikipedia a different one? I am very confused and frustrated!

Thank you very much for your time.

22:44, 14 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vickypedia30 (talk • contribs)

Hi Vickypedia30, you can have any unwanted redirects in your user space deleted by adding {{db-userreq}} to the page in question and an Administrator will delete the page(s) for you, however, the pages you mentioned have already been deleted. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 23:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

And remember that Wikipedia has no control over Google, and over when it will update its indexes and caches. --ColinFine (talk) 23:27, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it takes some time before Google reexamines pages and discover they have moved or changed content. Google's cache shows they indexed your user subpage 8 hours ago and you moved it 7 hours ago. They will probably find the article within a few days. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:52, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Jeffrey Mall, ColinFine and PrimeHunter for your explanations. I appreciate all your help.

Regards --Vickypedia30 (talk) 22:43, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

HAITI

This page must be fixed immediately. This is supposed to be informative and not give opinions about race and their ability to run a country. This is irresponsible at best.

I will not longer use Wiki or allow my children to use this crap service. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.55.201.101 (talk) 22:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

It was already fixed 6 minutes before your post here. It was only in the article for 5 minutes. Unfortunately articles are sometimes vandalized but it's usually reverted quickly. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:07, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia's anyone-can-edit model can unfortunately lead to unscrupulous users abusing this privilege (yes, it can be revoked) and making malicious changes to pages. This is not condoned by anyone here and, as PrimeHunter said, it is always removed within minutes, if not seconds. Anyway, if you aren't using Wikipedia anymore...'bye, and good luck finding a reference source of equivalent scope. Xenon54 / talk / 23:15, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

(e/c) There are so many different ways you could have expressed yourself here while informing us of a problem. This way you did is unseemly, rude and misinformed. We may be better off without you.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:16, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

On the other hand, this is the kind of response we bring on ourselves as long as we delay implementing flagged revisions. We can't expect the casual reader to make sense of the vandalism we invite by letting anybody edit. The casual reader has no way of knowing that the vandalism will be corrected by another user in five minutes, or five days. Imagine how many people see our vandalism and go away in disgust; at least this user complained. The complaint was no more rude than the vandalism we expect our readers to tolerate. --Teratornis (talk) 06:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

That's why some editors go on recent changes patrol or are on the counter-vandalism unit. Legend has it that some of the RCP users never sleep. ~AH1^(TCU) 03:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Do you need a huggle? – ukexpat (talk) 03:44, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Printing/Exporting articles as PDF

Would it be possible to add a link to the article toolbox that would enable the article to be exported/saved/printed as a PDF file? This very useful capability is present in the German wikipedia (de.wikipedia.org) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.174.110.7 (talk) 23:34, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

There is a box below the toolbox titled "Print/Export" that allows you to do this; however, it appears to me that you must be logged in to see this option. If you don't want to make an account, it may be possible to use your browser's print function to export a page into PDF format, depending on your operating system, browser and printer drivers. Robert Skyhawk ^{So sue me!} (You'll lose) 23:41, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Link to section

To get the URL of a "difficult" section, such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_a_Celebrity%E2%80%A6Get_Me_Out_of_Here!_(UK_TV_series)#I.27m_a_Celebrity..._Get_Me_out_of_Here.21_NOW.21, I somteimes make a null edit. On saving the null edit the browser is pointed to said URL. Is there any easy way to get this URL (in particular, the part after the #) without making an edit? 86.142.109.13 (talk) 23:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC).

Sure. The way we internally link to such a section is to enclose in brackets the name of the page followed by the section header after a number symbol. For example, this post can be linked by placing [[Wikipedia:Help desk#Link to section]]. So there are at least two ways you can use that information to get a url of the link: 1) You can edit a page and make a link like I just did for this post, then hit the show preview button, then click on the link seen (or right click and find out its URL), or you can copy and paste into the search field the name of the page, manually type #, then copy and paste the section header, and click Go. There are probably more ways.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

If you want the url to the section in order to use it outside Wikipedia or in a discussion then you can click the name of the section in the table of contents, and the url will be in the browser address bar. If you want to add a link to the section to another Wikipedia article then do not use the url. Instead copy-paste the page name and section name and place them in [[pagename#sectionname]] like I did here: I'm a Celebrity…Get Me Out of Here! (UK TV series)#I'm a Celebrity... Get Me out of Here! NOW! PrimeHunter (talk) 00:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the good advice guys. I know about the internal links, it's just the full URL that always flummoxes me when there are special characters involved. I really should have thought of the TOC method! 86.142.109.13 (talk) 01:23, 15 January 2010 (UTC)