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February 22

Add an uploaded photo

I have uploaded sccessfully the photo of Laszlo Garai but I am not able to add it to the text "Laszlo Garai". Please, help me--Szalagloria (talk) 00:52, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

   {{ | Prof. Laszlo Garai in his office = | = |2002 August = |University of Szeged, Faculty of 
Economics, the office of the head of department of economic psychology | Gloria Szala = 
}}--Szalagloria (talk) 03:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Where did you upload it to? Special:Contributions/Szalagloria does not include any image. —teb728 t c 01:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I guess you refer to hu:Kép:Laszlo Garai Hungarian scholar of theoretical, social and economic psychology.jpg in the Hungarian Wikipedia. You cannot display that in the English Wikipedia. You must either upload it to the English Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons (if the license allows it). PrimeHunter (talk) 01:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

How to create subcategory

I want to create a subcategory for education in Suffolk County in Category:Education in New York by county so that I can start cataloging Suffolk schools. How do I do this. Thanks!Noneforall (talk) 01:46, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Create the page at Category:Suffolk County schools (or whatever - make sure to stick to the naming convention set by other subcategories) and include [[Category:Education in New York]] on that page. That puts your new category into the bigger Education in New York category. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:05, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) See Help:Category. You can create Category:Education in Suffolk County, New York and write [[Category:Education in New York by county]] in it. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Identifying piece of classical music (Michael Nyman, perhaps?)

Hello! I'm trying to identify a piece of piano music from an episode of Frasier. It may be a piece by Michael Nyman of "The Piano" fame, but I'd love it if any of you could have a listen and suggest anything. The short clip is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-bHg6kYnLA Thanks! 172.200.4.127 (talk) 03:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

That sounds like a good question for the Humanities Reference Desk (this page is primarily for questions on the mechanics of using Wikipeida). Good luck, —Noah 05:31, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you :) 172.200.4.127 (talk) 16:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.122.3 (talk)

You could make your question more precise by looking up the exact title of the episode of Frasier. If you don't get an answer on the Reference desk, then you might try asking some users who contributed to the corresponding episode article (if that particular episode article is not a red link). You can see who contributed to an article by checking its history. The coverage of Frasier on Wikipedia suggests we have a number of enthusiasts among our users, and probably they represent quite a resource for trivia about the show. Also see Talk:Frasier for links to some WikiProjects relating to the show, where you can probably find more users who share your interests. --Teratornis (talk) 18:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

other editors ganging up

I am new to wiki and have been having a lot of problems with editors on a page I created. (Bitless Bridle). Now they are saying mean things on my talk page and have even deleted things off my talk page without my knowledge. They have openly discussed the fact that they have ganged up on me on their own talk pages... when I quoted what they said on my talk page, they deleted it. Now they are threatening to have the other page I wrote deleted (Riding Halter). I can't ask for help on my own talk page anymore. I am afraid to look at it now actually. Is there any way to prevent people from deleting stuff off my talk page without telling me?? this has been a horrible experience for this newbie, I can tell you that. Thanks for any advice... although if you put it on my talk page, they'll just delete it again. Maybe you could email me instead? ((email address removed)) Thanks for any advice. This is really upsetting! —Preceding unsigned comment added by AeronM (talk • contribs) 03:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC) AeronM (talk) 03:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll take a look (also, I removed your email address as it is not a good idea to post it directly on Wikipedia, instead you should use the "email this user" feature in your Preferences). —Noah 04:12, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, so I spent about 15 minutes just going through the history of your talk page. I haven't reviewed any article edits yet. From that review a number of things come to mind (these are just my opinions):

• You are taking things too personally
• You are not listening to the warnings from experienced editors
• You have bumped into (read: broken) a number of Wikipedia guidelines. This is not hard to do when you are new, however, rather than back-off a little you have pushed forward and created waves.

I am sure that other folks have been less than polite to you on their own talk pages, but that is not justification for the stance you have taken. Also, it is absolutely OK for people to edit your talk page in the manner that you described as "hi-jacking". Lastly, please take my kind recommendation to just take a little break then come back a few days later and review the WP:PILLARS page. You may also contact me via email if you wish to discuss this off-wiki (there is an email link on my user page. Cheers, —Noah 05:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I also took a look. I think your reaction is absolutely reasonable, but unfortunately negative for yourself and the project, so I suggest contributing on more general topics first. You worked hard on the topic, both in your own life, and then on the articles here. The articles has been mercilessly edited, and even proposed for deletion. This is extremely hard to accept about something you care deeply about. Unfortunately, this is one of the pillars of wikipedia: everyone can edit the articles.

This is why I suggest that you first contribute to topics about which you do not have such strong feelings. Join WP:WikiProject Equine, WP:WikiProject Visual arts, or WP:WikiProject Virginia, and look at all the articles that need help! You can make huge improvements to the encyclopedia in areas in which you have subject knowledge, but where you do not have any deep personal investment. JackSchmidt (talk) 05:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

FWIW, JackSchmidt's response is superior to my own. Please focus on his rather than mine. Thanks, —Noah 05:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

If you get tired of edit warring, you can always answer questions on the Help desk, and read about other people's troubles. Answering questions on the Help desk and reading other users' answers is a great way to learn what Wikipedia is about, as well as to learn about the kinds of mistakes many people tend to make here. Wikipedia is different than anything which existed before, so it doesn't work exactly the way most people expect. It's best to start with small edits to existing articles, and read another friendly manual page every day (there are hundreds). Wikipedia has a number of policies and guidelines that differ than what most people assume when they first arrive here. Creating brand-new articles can be very hard for new users; that's actually just about the least likely approach to succeed, but unfortunately, the desire to create a new article is often a new user's motive to start editing. (We have a bit of a human factors problem here, that the design of Wikipedia consistently encourages a percentage of new users to start right off in the way most likely to fail.) Your contributions show that your very first edits were to create a new article. Also, your user page contains some promotional language, suggesting that your personal style of communication that has served you well in your long career is at odds with the style of communication Wikipedia has adopted for building an encyclopedia. My early experience on Wikipedia was jarring in many ways too, but this old horse managed to learn a few new tricks. --Teratornis (talk) 07:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

reporting images

How do I report an image that is clearly stated by the person who uploaded it to be pornography? How do I get it on the delete list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by John121206 (talk • contribs) 04:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Please not that Wikipedia is not censored, and as long as an image (pornographic or otherwise) does not violate any of our existing policies we do not delete it. Vivio Testarossa^{Talk Who} 04:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

And using prod definitely does not work. First of all, these images can only be deleted on Commons, because they are not located directly on en.wikipedia.org Secondly, it might be a better idea to get them on the "bad image" list, so that they are only on a few "approved" pages. Thirdly, if you want to remove the image from articles, then discuss with other editors and perhaps they too think that would be a good idea. The chances that you will actually get the images deleted on Commons seem slim, because they appear to adhere to all of their policies though. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 08:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

John121206 has prodded several of these images now, and a small series of edit wars have broken out since that process isn't for images. • Anakin ^(talk) 04:36, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

There should be no edit wars over prods. If the prod is removed, nobody should put it back. That's the rule. Corvus cornix_talk 02:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Jeffery Ingram - fugue amnesia

Hello, I am Penny Ingram, Jeff's wife. I edited the information because it was not true that Jeff suffered "severe head trama" or that he could not talk when found.

Sincerely, Jeff and Penny Ingram —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.217.25.209 (talk) 06:01, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Penny. It may seem odd, but in your attempt to help out by making edits to the Jeffrey Ingram article you actually did something contrary to Wikipedia's guidelines. The problem is that we have use verifiable sources and we may not use original research when creating or editing articles. While this may seem cumbersome -- especially when you are writing about things that happened to you or someone you know -- it is important as it holds everyone to the same high standard and it provides people who haven't had your experience with a reference source to verify the facts. In the case of this edit you replaced "massive head injuries" with "amnesia" but that was at odds with the news article used as a reference for the article. If you know of other reliable sources that can back up that edit please add them to the article or the article's discussion page. In the mean time, it would probably be best to avoid changes that are at odds with the reference sources. Thanks, —Noah 07:47, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

overlapping sections

Sometimes the next headline may overlap onto a preceding section's image or table. How does we avoid this from happening? See: Orang Asli, section "Demography". kawaputra^torque 08:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

This page might help: Wikipedia:How_to_fix_bunched-up_edit_links. —Noah 08:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, thats also useful. User:Silver Edge fixed the problem using {{clear}}. Thanks. kawaputra^torque 09:05, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Userbox help

On my userbox subpage i'm trying to get the {{Userboxtop}} to go left & right in the same position i've tried {{Userboxtopleft}} but nothing happens but instead the entire page turns dark, what's the correct procedure for this. Terra ^{What do you want?} 10:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Try this: {{Userboxtop|align=left}} --Coppertwig (talk) 13:37, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Well I was coming here to tell you I fixed it, and found Coppertwig's (correct) advice. In any case it's done.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, both of the userbox were aligned to the left, one of them i've changed to right in the same position. Thank you for helping. Terra ^{What do you want?} 15:27, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

How many references

If you are familiar with citing sources I might ask a dumb question I'm sure you know how to answer. Say I'm working on Elaine Benes and Hong Kong Legend and the top site might say "You need to cite website references on that page". How many website references do you need on one page? Like 50, 100 ref to make it like a webpage with websites tied to that page. If you're going to start on a new article and you know so much about one thing, how many cite references do you need? It shouldn't be difficult to answer but I'm just curious. Lastly what is the maximum limit into putting all those cites into one page? It will be mad to find all those websites. I'm a slow learner and not the type that needs to understand difficult words just to figure out what the answer means. Anyway, I'm sure you'll understand. Johnnyauau2000 (talk) 12:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

There is no magic number of references. You just need to provide enough references to reliable sources so that everything said in the article is verifiable by someone who doesn't have any specialized knowledge about the topic. It's great if you know a lot about a topic, but when someone else comes along later and reads what you've written, they should be able to check the facts in the article against other sources to see for themselves that it's accurate. —Bkell (talk) 13:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I am not a sockpuppet, am I?

Dear HelpDesk,

I registered today with the username "CalicoJackRackam" and after clicking on my new (or so I thought) username, I am told "This user is a sockpuppet of User:Shuppiluliuma."

What the heck is this?? If I then click on that Shuppilu...-thing I learn that it is a banned user.

I have no idea what this means, but I doesn't look right to me. Could it be that this "Shuppi..."-bloke had my "new" username registered before me (before he was banned)? If so, could you please unlink my account from his?

Thanks for your help!

Kind regards CalicoJackRackam (talk) 12:47, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

It appears that you can remove it. Rarelibra created that page in Feb 2007 - your account, however, was created a year later, at 06:51 this morning UTC. It looks like that user was on a string of userpage vandalism at the time. You may want to ask Rarelibra what's up, if they can remember why they did it. Xenon⁵⁴ 12:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

After further research, the user with the long name had a sock named CalicoJackRackham (talk · contribs · count). (Notice the added "h".) Rarelibra tagged the wrong userpage (or perhaps both as a precaution). Xenon⁵⁴ 12:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Page in the wrong language

Hi,

I've noticed a page in the English Wikipedia written in what I this is Spanish (though it could be Portuguese...): San Hosé Pinula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jos%C3%A9_Pinula)

I don't know what I can do about this, or who else to make aware of it.

Thanks,

81.109.159.93 (talk) 14:50, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I think you're right! Tell an admin about this and he/she may help you. Visit me at Ftbhrygvn (Talk|Contribs|Log|Userboxes) 15:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

This doesn't require an admin (but I happen to be one). Google translate says it's Spanish: [1]. It looks like it was written here (replacing a one-line English stub) and not copied from elsewhere. See Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English. I will deal with it. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I tagged it [2] and listed it at Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English#San José Pinula. An editor has now transwikied it to the Spanish Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Libelous comments remaining on articles

I haven't been editing much recently and noticed that a libelous statement had remained on one of my (biographical) watchlisted articles for 3 weeks. I would have thought that other people would have removed it, but for whatever reason, this hasn't happened. It was made by what appears to be a dynamic IP, who I believe has done so before. AIV and page protection are not appropriate (non current, single recent issue). This is damaging to Wikipedia and, on a personal basis, depressing to see. Are there any procedures in place to deal with this ? Thanks -- John (Daytona2 · Talk · Contribs) 16:15, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Which article? Did you bring this up at the BLP Noticeboard? Seicer (t | c) 16:34, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Here's the diff (looks as if I gave the poster a warning, then forgot to undo it :-( ). No I didn't think of BLP/N, are they likely to be able to do anything ? Thanks -- John (Daytona2 · Talk · Contribs) 21:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Lokahi and Lokahi Foundation user name

Having previously set up these two accounts neither of my passwords are working. As I did not register with an email address I am not able to reuqest a password reminder. Is it possbible to delete these two accounts and for me to then recreate with a new password?83.244.172.34 (talk) 16:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

User:Lokahi Foundation is a problematic username per Wikipedia:Username policy#Company/group names because it's the name of a real organization and has deleted edits to Lokahi Foundation. User:Lokahi has no edits and you could try requesting usurpation of the name if it's important to you. Accounts cannot be deleted. It's easiest for you and us to just create a new account with another name. Please see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Business' FAQ if you plan to make more edits about the Lokahi Foundation. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:48, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Expanding Tutorial

No help, citation, or example can be found on expanding an article. Does expanding lead to a link, new page, etc? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elbornavatar (talk • contribs) 19:01, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Expanding an article generally means adding new text to the current article. Basically writing another sentence, or another paragraph. Once that is done (or as that is done), you then find reliable sources to back up any specific claims that might be challenged, and ensure that at least a couple such sources are available to support the new text in a general way. Once the text is written, it is also useful to [[wikilink]] to other pages which cover important ideas in the new text, but that process is often asked for as part of the {{wikify}} template, not the {{expand}} template. Hope this helps. JackSchmidt (talk) 20:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

It would be useful for you to look at our good article criteria, although "Good Article" has a specialized meaning here, for some hints on what kinds of things we like to see. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:50, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Are you referring to the first link in the box produced by {{Expand}}? That link simply opens an edit window for the page or section where you can edit the page source normally, for example by adding more text. See Help:Editing. The same window is opened by clicking the normal edit link. The expand box has no special functionality but merely draws attention to a page or section which could use more text. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:26, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

External Link Deletion

Over the past year my link to PoconoCommuter.com which is a non-profit corporation website that sells no products and supplies a rich resource of information about the Pocono region continues to be removed. This is in ThePoconos section.

If I'm doing something wrong please let me know what, otherwise can you determine who is removing my link? I am of the belief it is being done with malicious intent.

Also there is now a link there for Pocono Vacations which appears to be a commercial website.

Thanks,

Wayne —Preceding unsigned comment added by Waynemeyers (talk • contribs) 19:57, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Please remember, Wikipedia is not a directory. "Useful links" should not be added to articles on any given subject as if this were a tourist guide. Your links (added under what identity, might I ask?) are being removed as inappropriate under our guidelines on external links. No malicious intent is present. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:External links#Advertising and conflicts of interest says: "You should avoid linking to a website that you own, maintain or represent, even if the guidelines otherwise imply that it should be linked. If the link is to a relevant and informative site that should otherwise be included, please consider mentioning it on the talk page and let neutral and independent Wikipedia editors decide whether to add it". PrimeHunter (talk) 21:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I see you've removed the external links section entirely, but the skiing section is full of directory links to ski resorts. I'm afraid I cannot follow your criteria. My site contains a great deal of information about the Poconos and is a FREE non-profit resource to the community, yet and you won't allow that, but you will allow commercial ski resorts to be listed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.201.1.18 (talk) 20:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

G. edward Griffin

Please do not delete Ed Griffin from Wikipedia. I have read many of his books and find him to be a great author. It is ok to have a different point of view. Thank-you H. Deluca —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.23.209 (talk) 20:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I copied this to the correct place. You may want to include a different argument there. The importance and usefulness of the subject is not particularly being disputed. What is being discussed is whether any reliable sources can be found to be added to the article to support those claims. Articles about important people, but without sources, are usually deleted. JackSchmidt (talk) 20:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Can someone guide me?

I want put up a page but it seems complicated and I'm nervous about doing it wrong. I have already written the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.247.135.70 (talk) 20:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

The standard advice is:

You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:47, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

As PrimeHunter mentioned, you have to register an account. Once you do, it would be good to create User:yourAccount/sandbox and enter your article there. Then you could ask people here to review it before trying to make a real article. Sbowers3 (talk) 21:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

As Sbowers3 recommends, perhaps create the article on a subpage of your userpage first (see Wikipedia:Subpages#How to create user subpages), so you can test it without being disturbed. Then, move it to the correct place. And remember to be bold!, and that no one will tell you off for getting it wrong. • Anakin ^(talk) 04:43, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Personal Sandbox

I know you can create a personal sandbox at Username/Sandbox. Does naming it as such have any effect or could one just as easily call it a Cowbox or sandbox (lower case)? Fribbler (talk) 20:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I believe the name has no effect. User pages can be suggested for deletion, but the criteria for keeping them is much easier to meet. If it was called "sandbox" or "Sandbox", I suspect it would have to be pretty bad to get deleted. The main wikipedia sandbox gets cleaned regularly. I don't think that happens for user pages. User pages that end in .js or .css cannot be edited by others (to my knowledge), but they also do not display normally like wiki pages. Otherwise, everyone can still edit "your" sandbox, but I think most people don't. JackSchmidt (talk) 21:05, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Cheers! Was wondering if the case sensitivity mattered. Thanks again. Fribbler (talk) 21:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

As long as you don't pick an offensive name, there are no rules. If you call it Cowbox then people noticing the name in recent changes or your contributions may be more likely to look at it. Sandbox sounds so boring that people will probably stay away. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Mediawiki ignores the case of the first letter anyway, so "Sandbox" and "sandbox" will give you the same page. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 11:54, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Not in this case where it's subpages and the first letter is in the username. The user has created both User:Fribbler/Sandbox and User:Fribbler/sandbox. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:44, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

The Astrons

Which parts of this website can I use to make an article on a swedish band called "The Astrons"? Thank you very much, here is the link: deleted

--DellorKcir (talk) 22:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

link deleted. reported user Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 22:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Wow, Rick Rolled on Wikipedia... naughty, naughty. —Noah 22:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Hands up! Who else was silly enough to get the link out of the history and go to the page? • Anakin ^(talk) 04:50, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Economy of the United States does not load

Hello fellow Help desk helpers, I thought I would ask a question for a change. I can't seem to load Economy of the United States right now. Firefox says "Loading..." until it times out and an error page appears:

Wikimedia Foundation
Error
Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is
probably temporary and should be fixed soon. Please try again in a
few minutes.

However, I can view other pages with no problem, so I'm wondering if something is wrong with Economy of the United States. I can see the history and the Google cached version, but not any recent revisions from the history. Does anyone else get this problem? --Teratornis (talk) 22:25, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'm having the same problem with that page in Firefox or using "curl" at the command line. Random guess: someone pasted some huge amount of text onto the page. —Noah 22:27, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybe not, history is working on that page and doesn't show any massive change. —Noah 22:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I can use curl without problem to get http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Economy_of_the_United_States (and also with &useskin=chick and/or action=purge). However, curl times out when I try to get http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States which seems very fishy to me. Firefox can't get anything. JackSchmidt (talk) 22:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I get similar almost similar behavior as above. Tried changing user-agents but nothing helped. I can't even pull up the history page. Q ^{T C} 00:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Left a message in #wikimedia-tech, hopefully one of the brains can figure it out :) Q ^{T C} 01:00, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Fixed, seems somebody found a quirk in the new processor when he made an infinite loop with {{tl|Economy of the United States}} Q ^{T C} 01:14, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

LOL, isn't the economy of the US pretty much always in a loop:-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fyunck(click) (talk • contribs) 08:11, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Bloody hell, nothing like being shopped! I'll have to remember to take away the loop before moving the info next time. In actual fact I deliberately did it in order to uncover the quirk... Tom (talk) 11:11, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Placing the signature correctly on summary box

If you click the cursor on the "summary" box and then go to signature box, click the signature,it appears right to the last point of edition. How to fix that? --Siniestra (talk) 22:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Siniestra (talk • contribs) 22:55, 22 February 2008 (UTC) 

This sounds like something browser dependent. If I'm in the edit summary field when I click signature in Internet Explorer 7.0 then the signature is placed in the start of the edit box. Just click where you want the signature before clicking signature, or write the signature yourself with four ~. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

List of edits on page history does not include recent edit...

The page history of National Popular Vote Interstate Compact doesn't seem to list the most recent edit to the page.

I've looked at it on two different computers and the most recent edit listed is Feb 20, even though another edit was made on Feb 22 which is not listed.

Can anyone fix or explain this? Thanks! Szu (talk) 22:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I currently see this edit from Feb 22. I don't know why you don't see it. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:12, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I see it now... I wonder why I couldn't see it before. Szu (talk) 23:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

It might have been a browser cache issue. —Noah 23:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)