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creating a new page

how do i create a page?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Andor0597 (talk • contribs) 17 July 2007.

Read Help:Starting a new page. Bart133 ^{(t) (c)} 00:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

You can create a new page in many ways. You can click on a red link like this titled with the page you want to create, you could search for a non-existent article, or you could follow Bart133's advice, which I strongly advise you do the first few times around to help you write better articles and avoid their deletion. When undertaking the second selection, if it redirects you to an undesired page, click on the redirect link and change it. --Qmwne235 21:58, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

LIZA SHTROMBERG DELETION

Why was the entry for LIZA SHTROMBERG deleted again? I corrected it as suggested by persons here by reducing it more down to a neutral encyclopedic entry and as suggested I put a link to a legitimate news source that mentions her by name - that source being ABC NEWS.

It was deleted as it didn't assert any notability whatsoever. Please see WP:BIO and WP:CORP. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 01:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

She does meet the WP:BIO criteria as she is widely known. Just because she is in a field or artistry that you are unfamiliar with doesn't make her any less notable. I don't know a whole lot about soccer, but if someone put up a noteworthy item about soccer I certainly wouldn't question it because I alone or a handful of people on Wikipedia did not recognize its significance. Pepper Berry 04:11, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Weather or not she is notable or not doesn't really mean anything, as long as the article it self has to establish that she is notable. As for the link given, there was really nothing...she was mentioned along with a dozen others as potential places to buy gifts for mother's day, which doesn't really prove her notability. If you still believe that the article should be revived, please take it to Wikipedia:Deletion review. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 09:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Your third-party source doesn't provide enough information to know who she is, meaning it really doesn't count as information about her. --Qmwne235 21:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Calculating the article body's size

Is there some sort of tool that calculates the size of the body and main text of an article, skipping over images and refs? Wrad 02:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

A simple tool would be to copy/paste the page into a simple text editor (ie: Notepad). You'll only get the text, no images or html code. Then, you can estimate the size. -- Kainaw^(what?) 03:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

It's about one byte per character, isn't it? Wrad 03:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

It is exactly one byte per character once pasted into notepad. It uses ASCII, 7-bit characters with 1 bit for overhead. Now, if we are talking Unicode, it is up to 4 bytes per character (if I remember correctly). -- Kainaw^(what?) 04:02, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Bug absent from deprecated category tool.

I was going to mention a bug that says the last section of my talk page doesn't exist when I go to edit it, but the bug seems to hav flown away. Brewhaha@edmc.net 23:26, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[1]

Why doesn't the category tree on the page for category:Neurology make as much sense as that? It looks like someone introduced a bug when they spread that deprecated tool around, and while I'm at it, when I go to edit the last section of a page, the wiki consistently tells me it doesn't exist. Brewhaha@edmc.net 04:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean there is a specific page where the last edit link consistently tells that, or do you mean consistently for all pages? The former can happen but I haven't heard of the latter. Can you give an example of a page with the problem? PrimeHunter 16:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The corresponding page is category:neurology. Last time I checked, it had one subcategory, and I had the notion of putting that (EEG) under medical imaging, which should fall under several medical topics, although it isn't an obvious kind of image. Brewhaha@edmc.net 23:26, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect Merge with "Milliken, Ontario"

Hi,

I was recently searching Milliken Park when I realized that the information for the Milliken community (in the City of Toronto) has been incorrectly merged with the Milliken Mills community in the Town of Markham. The merge has combined the communities into "Milliken, Ontario". Unfortunately, I'm not quite sure I how can separate the two articles by reverting to earlier versions properly.

The two Milliken communities are two very separate communities belonging to different municipalities. Their community centres, schools, and community associations belong to different boards and different local governments. None of their services are linked. The article is confusing since it sometimes references the Milliken in Markham, while drawing on data from the Milliken in Toronto, and vice versa.

Although residents who live around the borders of Toronto and Markham may sometimes be confused, the two neighbourhoods are actually very distinct entities that operate under systems which are not interchangable. Due to this common misconception of the two Millikens being the same, people often arrive at the incorrect community centre, school, event, etc. Since the two communities are actually not adjacent to one another, the time it takes for someone to travel from one incorrect Milliken to the correct one actually takes quite a bit of time by car, causing many people to either miss events, shows, programs, or performances.

To illustrate my point, I can refer to the very link that is listed within the article: http://www.toronto.ca/demographics/profiles_map_and_index.htm

From this link, you can see that Toronto's Milliken ends at the border of Steeles Avenue. However, Markham's Milliken Mills area is North of Steeles and west of Toronto's Milliken area. As well, the bus systems do not continue, as Toronto's TTC (Toronto Transit Commission) services only the Milliken in Toronto. The Mililken in Markham is serviced by York Region's transit system.

Please revert to an earlier version of both articles such that the information could be correctly separated.

Thank you!

You might want to also bring up these concerns on the article talk page. However, I will look into it for you. LaraLove 13:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

You may want to request or suggest the page be split. I would either post a message on the talk page or get the attention of an adminisrator. --Qmwne235 21:55, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Would like to fix my entry Mudville so it conforms to your standards - don't know how!

Hi - I developed a Wiki entry for Mudville, and got these messages:

"This article or section needs sources or references that appear in reliable, third-party publications. Alone, primary sources and sources affiliated with the subject of this article are not sufficient for an accurate encyclopedia article. Please include more appropriate citations from reliable sources."

"This biographical article or section is written like a resume. Please help improve this article by revising it to be neutral and encyclopedic. (help)"'

As to the first message, I cited several reliable sources in the Notes section. These are all reputable publications and the sources are also dated. What is it about these citations do you find objectionable? Or is there a more appropriate way to cite these sources?

As to the second message, I believe this passage may be an offending one (?)

"Core members Marilyn Carino and Ben (Benny Cha Cha) Rubin have distinguished themselves as adding sophistication to the genre with classic Hip-Hop stylings, elements of improvisational free jazz and attention to songcraft more influenced by Marvin Gaye and Duke Ellington than the minimalist, pop-based structure and lyrics by which the genre is most often characterized."

This, I felt, was an honest, somewhat personal description (but one that is echoed in many major publications) of why I believe Mudville deserves notoriety in Wikipedia, and why they have been influential in the "post Trip-Hop" music genre. I assumed there needed to be some sort of distinctive description to warrant the entry. Do you find it too editorial? Do I need to cite third-party sources to substantiate these comments?

The History/Bio section I felt was also rather straightforward - I included plaudits (fully cited, in the Notes section), again, to emphasize Mudville's noteworthiness.

I do not understand how this entry could be more neutral without losing its descriptiveness or making Mudville seem unworthy of inclusion here. I notice there are plenty of editorial comments in other artists' entries, but they somehow are allowed.

I am not Mudville or affiliated with them, by the way. I'm just a huge fan and I feel they are an important band. I would like to make sure they are included in the Wikipedia and given their due. Thank you for your assistance.

TagoreEco 04:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)TagoreEco

What I find helpful when I'm trying to improve an article is to look at other articles on similar topics, paying special attention to the ones that are WP:Featured articles or WP:Good articles. In your case, I would look for other articles on bands, perhaps through Wikipedia:WikiProject Jazz or Wikipedia:WikiProject hip hop where there are lists of featured articles and good articles associated with Jazz and Hip hop. Looking at these high quality articles that have been worked on by experienced editors will give you an idea of the neutral tone that a good article has, as well as better ways to format and cite the article you're trying to improve.CindyBo^talk 07:02, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

information about the call center

steps to start up call center

Are you looking for specific information regarding call centers? That inquiry should be directed to the Reference Desk.

The Rhymesmith 08:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Fansites

Is there a page that contains a policy dealing with the inclusion of fansites in "External links" sections? •97198 talk 07:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[2], noting section [3].

The Rhymesmith 08:11, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Help page

The very useful example of a page history on Help:Page history does not include what appears on my page histories - namely the word "undo" in brackets at the end of each line. If I press the word "undo", does that result in an instant revert? Should Help:Page history be updated?

45ossington 08:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes and yes. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 08:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Undo does not do an instant revert. The user has to click Save to make the Undo happen. Corvus cornix 18:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

My watchlist

On my watchlist, I can't work out what the green brackets (containing a plus sign and a number) appearing on each line after the time of the relevant change might refer to. Second question: is there a help page that provides that information?

Many thanks,

45ossington 08:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

It tells you how many characters we added in the last change. A big number indicates a substantial edit. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 08:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Just to further Theresa's answer, specifically its the number of bytes that have been added to a page; it's not always the number of characters. As to your second question, see here. I  ^{(said) (did)} 09:14, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Where is the "create a new page" link?

Westpointvets 09:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

You can do this at Help:Starting a new page. Rlest 10:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Password issues

Having tried to login today, my password was rejected. This happened to me once before. I hadn't added my e-mail, and was told by someone that my password might not have been secure enough so I had to start again with a new account. I've been using the new account, set up with an e-mail this time, and today asked for a new password to be e-mailed. How long will that take? (it's been a couple of hours). I really don't want to set up another account. I was asked to e-mail someone directly before but never got a response what can I do? 132.185.144.123 11:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

It shouldn't take more than a few minutes to receieve a new password. Have you checked your junk/spam folders on the e-mail account? It might accidentally have been marked as spam. Good luck! Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 11:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes I've done that - still no sign of the new password. A second request for a new password tells me one has been sent and I can't request it again for 24hours. What do I do now?132.185.144.123 12:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Rating of content (is Wikipedia rated to a certain level of explictness?)

Does Wikipedia have a protocol around explicit material? (eg. how explicit is too explicit? if something is somewhat explicit, do we put up a warning? What is the default audience of Wikipedia, compared to, for example, moving ratings?). Thanks for your help! (BTW, as well as scanning help and searching FAQs, I expected to find the answer to this in Wikipedia:List_of_policies?) Natebailey 12:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Basically, if it's encylopedic, we allow it and we don't have any kind of warning apart from the link to the disclaimers at the botton of every article. Wikipedia is intended for adults and isn't censored. The exceptions to this rule are rare, and will tend to be hashed out on a case by case bases on the talk pages of the articles concerned. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 12:52, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not censored. -- Kainaw^(what?) 12:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The relevant policy is Wikipedia is not censored. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 12:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Someday in the future I expect Web browsers to gain the ability to substantially alter the view of the World Wide Web to conform to the user's personal preferences. However, this might require software to get smart enough to pass the Turing Test first. A way to do it without artificial intelligence would be for large communities of like-minded users to develop and share their own Web page rating systems. This could operate similarly to techniques for classifying and blocking spam. For example, if several thousand people have a similar concept of obscenity or blasphemy, at most one of them would have to be offended by viewing a particular page, and thereupon the offended party could warn the other sensitive souls not to view it. Members of such a group might share their page ratings via a peer-to-peer method. --Teratornis 23:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Watchlist

Can other users "see" what you have in your watchlist? Hyper Girl 13:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

While anyone with access to the database can see anything they want to see, normal users cannot see your watchlist. -- Kainaw^(what?) 13:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

See also Help:Watching pages#Privacy of watchlists. PrimeHunter 16:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Article Creation

jon lukas made Maltese music history in 1970 as Malta's first ever recording artist.

I wrote to you about this fact as a contribution to Wiki yesterday. Can you please inform me as to where I can see this fact listed in WIKIPEDIA. Thanks!Mary Elle

You're enquiry was answered: Wikipedia:Help_desk#Maltese_Music_History AndrewJDTALK -- 14:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Article views

Do you know if there's someway I can see how many times any specific article page is viewed in a month? I'd like to know, so thanks. LuciferMorgan 15:08, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

No. The feature to count how many times a page has been visited has been turned off for performance reasons. For more details please see Wikipedia:Technical FAQ#Can I add a page hit counter to a Wikipedia page?. PrimeHunter 16:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Deathrash

Do you have the history of that article anywhere, because Im trying to recreate it, and I cant find its history. Mezmerizer 15:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Um, would you like to request Userfication ? Peacent 15:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

You should not recreate the article, as it was deleted on 3 July after not surviving a "articles for deletion" debate: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deathrash. Royalbroil 16:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The article was deleted because it was unreferenced/suspected as hoax. Recreation is possible as long as sources can be provided. Peacent 16:27, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the better answer, Peacent. An admin can retrieve what was deleted, but you will likely need to develop it off-line (or even better in a sandbox that you make in your userspace like User:Royalbroil/Sandbox) and have them approve the article before you create it in main article space. Royalbroil 16:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

All right. Thanks for the advice on the userfication :D Yeah, I think Ill do that. Would you mind userfying the Deathrash article?I shall Mezmerize you! My edits shall Mezmerize you!! My articles shall Mezmerize you!!! 19:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Done, it's at User:Mezmerizer/Deathrash. Please read carefully and address the concern raised in the related deletion discussion, you might also read WP:V and WP:RS. Also, please tag the page with {{db-userreq}} when you've finished. I hope this helps. Peacent 05:35, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I shall Mezmerize you! My edits shall Mezmerize you!! My articles shall Mezmerize you!!! 19:07, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

link spamming

I used several reviews for an article on the band This Beautiful Republic to demonstrate the notability of the band and to reference the article. An editor has removed several of these reviews, as the references/external links are trying to sell their album diff. The contributor also removed a link to the band's bio page at yahoo, which I think is a major demonstration of notability. Would someone review the edit to see if the changes were reasonable, and cite the guideline/policy if they agree with the other contributor. I promise this will not be part of an edit war, I just want a second opinion. Royalbroil 16:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

sites trying to sell something are not reliable, and cannot be used for notability --L^augh! 16:41, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

According to WP:Notability and WP:Verifiability, sites have to be reliable, third-party sources. However, this is up for interpretation beyond a certain point. For example, many users would be against the usage of both of those. I personally am not against using the band's bio page because I see it as an objective source of generally unbiased information. Bad sources sometimes can be worse than no sources, and the same goes for information, so be careful. --Qmwne235 21:49, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

About blocking editting

What does it mean to block editing a specific article? What if it means I may never edit another article again? I mean, I don't want that! What if a specific article has mistakes? I mean, I was only trying to help! IP Address.: 24.14.216.60

An article can be protected; this prevents either new and unregistered users from editing it ('semi-protection'), or all non-administrator users from editing it ('full protection'); articles are only protected as a preventative measure, and will be unprotected as soon as is practical. If you want to suggest a change to a protected article, place {{editprotected}} and a description of the change on the article's Talk ('discussion') page, and an administrator will check that the change is acceptable and make it for you. Attempting to edit a protected article doesn't work, but nothing bad happens to you either. Users and IP addresses can be blocked to prevent them editing; if your IP is blocked (or your username, if and when you get a username) and you try to edit, you'll get a message to tell you what to do next. Blocks are only done as a preventative measure (usually to stop a user who is vandalising), and are usually temporary; it is in any case always possible to appeal a block (there will be instructions in the block message in such a case). Hope that helps! --ais523 16:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd recommend you to create an account if you want to help (Established editors have some benefits, like editing semi-protected articles) The only trouble, as always, is that you must think of a username. Peacent 16:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you are referring to the warnings at User talk:24.14.216.60? PrimeHunter 17:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Hardware & Networking

DMA —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.246.25.41 (talk)

Do you have a question? Maybe some of these are of interest:hardware, networking, DMA, Direct memory access, network card, networking hardware, Category:Networking hardware. PrimeHunter 17:14, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Article traffic

Is there any way to find out how much traffic a particular article receives? Thanks. TimidGuy 17:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

No. The feature to count how many times a page has been visited has been turned off for performance reasons. For more details please see Wikipedia:Technical FAQ#Can I add a page hit counter to a Wikipedia page?. PrimeHunter 17:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks much. TimidGuy 18:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Resolved

There may be a rough correlation between article views and article edits, especially edits by different users. If an article has glaring deficiencies with few corrective edits for a long time, especially typos that are easy to correct, that strongly suggests the article gets few views. On the other hand, if the article history shows multiple daily edits, the article probably receives proportionally many views. Many smaller wikis that run on the MediaWiki software leave page counters enabled. You can view Special:Statistics on various wikis to see the ratios between views and edits; whether such ratios are close to Wikipedia's I don't know. For example, Wookipedia reports: "6.16 views per edit." Given that I know many people in real life who read Wikipedia but hardly anyone who edits, I'd suspect Wikipedia's average ratio of views to edits is substantially higher than Wookipedia's, but of course the ratio would vary by article. --Teratornis 23:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

interesting. Thanks for explaining that. TimidGuy 14:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Categories

When I try to categorise a page relating to a person, that person appears on the relevant catgory page in the alphabetical position appropriate to their given name, rather than their surname.

Many thanks,

45ossington 17:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

See Help:Category#Sort order for how to avoid this. PrimeHunter 17:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The actual way to do what you want to do is to add wikimarkup like this [[Category:Example|Smith, John]]. Hope that helps. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 18:52, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

meaning of the word achaela

achala meaning —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.98.15.98 (talk)

If the word is "achala", then maybe a Wikipedia search [4] or Google search [5] can be of help. You can also try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/language, perhaps giving the context where you met the word. This help desk page is for questions about using Wikipedia. PrimeHunter 17:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

In sanskrit Achala/Acala means "The Immovable One." Go to Acala to find out more. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 18:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Three Revert Rule with Multiple IPs

There's a particular person who uses two different IP addresses to edit an article. He doesn't had that he's the same person, but will revert articles more than three times but from different addresses. How does this work with the Three Revert Rules? — Craigtalbert 18:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:SOCK. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 18:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

...And more explicitly, the 3RR grants an absolute maximum of 3 reverts per day to each person, not to each account or IP address. Someone who attempts to use multiple IP addresses or (worse) multiple accounts to circumvent the 3RR will be politely but firmly corrected. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 21:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

An interesting article in a Finnish (respected) weekly about Wikipedia

Hi!

Yes, I found an interesting article in Suomen Kuvalehti about Wikipedia as a tool to the researcher in History, benefits and pitfalls. I should like to translate it into English. But, which is the address for this kind of stuff?? --Tellervo 19:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, but you might find something useful in Wikipedia:Wikipedia in academic studies and Wikipedia:Researching Wikipedia. --Teratornis 22:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The article will most likely be copyrighted so I don't think you can post a translation on Wikipedia. You can list the article at Wikipedia:Press coverage, though. --KFP (talk | contribs) 11:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

REGISTERING

I think I have signed up, but nothing I try works.

Can you please tell me how to register ... or find my USERNAME & PASSWORD?

Thank you.

Dick Bell (email address removed) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.29.6.125 (talk)

If you are unsure about your username and password or whether you have registered at all, then just create a new account. PrimeHunter 21:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Use this link, or go to WP:ACC if you have trouble creating a new account. Peacent 07:07, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

My account

My username is User:Ajwgis. I don't remember my password and apparently don't have an email address associated with my account. How can I get this corrected204.182.224.13 Would it be possible for you all to email me a temporary password that I can change204.182.224.13

Thanks,

Angela Wills

That username has no contributions, so by far the easiest thing to do is simply create a new account. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 19:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'm afraid that if you don't have an email address associated with your account, you can't retrieve it. Why not simply create a new account? Nihiltres^(t.l) 19:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Atlantic Lottery Corporation

I work for Atlantic Lottery. This is currently on your site to describe our company.

"The Atlantic Lottery Corporation (ALC) is an organization which operates lottery games in Atlantic Canada. It is owned jointly by the four Atlantic provincial governments: New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island and Newfoundland and Labrador. ALC's headquarters are located in Moncton, New Brunswick. The ALC is renowned for its ability to exploit consumers' idiocy - it is not uncommon to hear convenience store clerks tell of the rare $50 winning scratch ticket being redeemed for the equivalent sum in new tickets.

All profits returned by ALC are distributed to the provinces for their general funds."

We would respectfully ask that this be changed to the following:

"The Atlantic Lottery Corporation (ALC) is an organization which operates lottery games in Atlantic Canada. It is owned jointly by the four Atlantic provincial governments: New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island and Newfoundland and Labrador. ALC's headquarters are located in Moncton, New Brunswick. All profits returned by ALC are distributed to the provinces for their general funds."

No problem. I'll do it now. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 19:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

In the future you can change it yourself; WP:COI doesn't prevent you from reverting obvious vandalism and blatant trolling. —Dark•Shikari^[T] 12:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Image licensing

I posted a query on the WP:IMAGES talk page, but it does not seem people are responding their with any expedience. Can someone tell me about the Flickr image use policy as it relates to my concern at Wikipedia_talk:Images#Flickr_image.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 20:07, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

"Public" on Flickr simply means that it's viewable by other users on Flickr. The pertinent information here is under "Additional Information", where it says "© All rights reserved", which means it's not kosher per Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Adding_images. jeffjon 20:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Editing an article

HOW can a person participate in "editing" an article? (Information that is SUBJECTIVE and non-factual should NOT be part of ANY article!).

There is wealth of information available at Help:Contents/Editing Wikipedia. Check out Wikipedia:Simplified ruleset for some great guidelines for beginners --Hetar 21:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

In general, you can edit an article by clicking on the edit this page tab at the top of any article page. For new editors, the Wikipedia:Introduction and Wikipedia:Tutorial are recommended reading. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 21:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Cannot create page

I've searched the help files and FAQs on how to start a new page, for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Starting_a_new_page

I keep seeing references to "Clicking the "Create page" button" - but I don't see a "create page" button...so I'm not sure how to start...

If your article is xyzxyz then you can search for it and get this. Click the red link and you can start. Tim Q. Wells 21:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Question

This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. (help, get involved!) Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed. This article has been tagged since July 2007.

This is strange... most of what was written there was written by the author.. He has a weekly colum with msnbc,and tripso, three books, one that just came out. I am not sure why this is getting this flag... How more reliable can you get.. MSNBC TRIPSO and current books in print, and the bio written by the author. MSNBC and TRIPSO are recognized .. why isnt James Wysong.

What more is required. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.157.204.189 (talk • contribs)

That tag's been on the article for a while, looks like, but one of our bots just updated it. I suspect the problem is that someone felt the article had few reliable sources verifying the statements in the article. It could use a few more citations, from a quick look, but it's not horrible. The tag will draw in users to help do those fixes, though, so don't worry too much about it. Tony Fox (arf!) review? 21:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Also, keep in mind that Wikipedia prefers verifiable third-party sources for citations. An author's own work is first party, which should only be used if no other method of verification can be provided. If an article's citations consist solely of first-party citations, it is considered uncited by many, as there's no objective way to verify the article without the reader going outside Wikipedia to find new sources. -- Kesh 00:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

article deleted

An article on my copyrighted and trademarked reference book "Cherokee Proud: A guide for Tracing and Honoring Your Cherokee Ancestors" used to appear on Wikipedia since it is considered by experts to be the "bible of Cherokee genealogy, and is avaialble in most larger libraries and museums.

I notice now that the article cannot be found. I have searched all of the instructions and deletion logs and it is as if it never existed. Can someone please tell me why it is no longer there under 'Cherokee Proud."

Thank you.

Tony Mack McClure, Ph.D. Author <email removed>

The article Cherokee proud was deleted under Speedy Deletion with the reason G11 - Blatant Advertising. Andy^reply 22:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Repeated vandalism for article Demographics_of_Afghanistan

Hello,

I'm not sure exactly where to report this, but there is a serious problem with certain individuals vandalizing this article. They are ignoring the discussions I've started, and are repeatedly accusing me of being the vandal. This is happening in more than one article, and these same people are waging a bit of a campaign elsewhere. I do not feel that Wikipedia is the proper venue for such behavior. Is there any kind of arbitration available for this matter?

Thanks you

Hi there, by the looks of things this has escalated in to an Edit War, I'd take a look at Resolving disputes and resolve your arguments peacefully or you both may be banned for starting an edit war. Andy^reply 22:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Emporis

I do a lot of work on Chicago Buildings. It seems emporis.com has been experiencing difficulties this week. Does anyone know what is going on?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 22:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but this page is for questions about Wikipedia itself. You might try visiting some Chicago-related forums and ask there. -- Kesh 00:43, 18 July 2007 (UTC)