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December 16

How do you make links?

I've just added to a page. I would like the text to have a link to a page on wikipedia like the other text. How do I do that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neon6419 (talk • contribs) 00:14, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

You enclose the text in double square brackets like [[this]]. See the editing help "cheatsheet" for more info. Astronaut (talk) 00:38, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Use [[Link title]] for internal wikipedia other page links.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! The Helpful One ^{(Talk) (Contributions)} 00:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Also see Help:Link for the basics about linking, and WP:EIW#Wikili for everything about linking. --Teratornis (talk) 02:00, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

No 'edit' link

I'm trying to edit a factual error in an article but there is not 'edit' hyperlink to take me to the edit screen for that section of the article. Why is this and how do I go about editing that section?

Thanks Samson-RN (talk) 00:29, 16 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samson-RN (talk • contribs) 00:25, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Without knowing what page and what section, I can't say why. However, if you click the "edit this page" button at the very top of the page, that will let you edit the entire page, not just a single section. Prodego ^talk 00:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

What article is it? On protected articles, there are no edit section links; alternatively, someone could place __NOEDITSECTION__ for no links to edit specific sections.   jj137 ♠ Talk 00:32, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, Thanks I've edited it using the edit page tab now (I'd not seen it earlier). Thanks for your help. Samson-RN (talk) 00:41, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem, happy editing! Prodego ^talk 00:43, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Usually when the Help desk gets a question like this, it means the questioner is trying to edit the lead section of an article, which for some reason I have never understood does not have a section edit link like all the other sections. Whatever the reasoning may have been for that inconsistency, the result is a lot of confused users. Also, the lead section probably gets read a lot more than the rest of the article (if Jakob Nielsen's findings for other Web pages apply to Wikipedia), and thus it would certainly stimulate its share of editing impulses. The top of every page does have an edit tab, but a sizable fraction of new users just don't see it - perhaps partly because the section-edit links are so much more obvious. --Teratornis (talk) 01:56, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Playboy Special Editions page

while looking through your site on random topics i came across a magazine that i subscribed to for almost 3 years. i have finally found an error in your site :) im kinda proud since dang near everything you guys post is correct. the playboy special editions - specifically the PBOL (playboy book of lingerie) - is not issued 2x a month...its published 1 time every 2 months jan/feb, mar/apr, may/june, july/aug, sept/oct, and nov/dec. 6 issues a year in total ..not 24 as you have indicated. hope you can correct soon so that your reputation for extremely crediatable info remains in tact.

-necromosh

Playboy Special Editions (formerly known as flats, then Newsstand Specials[1]) are a spinoff series of Playboy magazine devoted entirely to softcore nude photographs of the Playboy models that are found sporadically scattered in the monthly Playboy magazine.

Unlike the monthly magazine, which features a variety of articles, opinion columns, and works of fiction, the only texts found in the Special Editions are captions of the photographs and readers' letters. Approximately two issues are published each month —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.60.135.167 (talk) 00:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I haven't researched outside our article, but Playboy Special Edition#Book of Lingerie/Lingerie says: "Playboy Special Editions' most popular series is Lingerie (formerly known as Book of Lingerie), which is published on a bimonthly basis." Apparently there are many other types of special editions and the article claims that in total there are two a month. Do you have a source saying that is false? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism to Jennette McCurdy

Jennette McCurdy's entry has been vandalized. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.47.249.215 (talk) 01:58, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Someone fixed it. In the future, you can fix vandalism yourself by going to the page history and reverting to the last good version. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 02:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

i cant start a new page

Docterbrassstone (talk) 03:35, 16 December 2007 (UTC)have i been blocked

You haven't been blocked. What page is it?   jj137 ♠ Talk 03:41, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:49, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Docterbrassstone (talk) 04:04, 16 December 2007 (UTC):i have used wikipedia:your first article:and studyed to wright the article but the create this article selection is not available can you pleas give me a step by step thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doctorbrassstone (talk • contribs) 04:01, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

As jj137 wrote: What page is it? And what happens when you enter the name in the box at Wikipedia:Your first article#How to create a page and click "Go (try title)"? If it doesn't exist then you should come to a search page with a red "Create the page" link. (The same happens with "Go" in the search box to the left on every page). PrimeHunter (talk) 04:08, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Docterbrassstone (talk) 04:21, 16 December 2007 (UTC)thinks :the page is one wave at a time isbn 978-1-60145-300-6 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doctorbrassstone (talk • contribs) 04:20, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

thank you thank you thank you it was the red throing me good dayDocterbrassstone (talk) 04:26, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Thompson, CT

Lawrence K. Groh, Jr. First Selectman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.118.194.139 (talk) 03:51, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

You have a minimalistic writing style! I figured out the meaning after some research and changed the name in [1]. Thanks for the update, but could we get a little more information another time? PrimeHunter (talk) 04:25, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

WTIC-FM "Wayback Weekend" Proof Needed

76.118.247.91 (talk) 02:11, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

• The article for WTIC-FM needs to include proof of the "Wayback Weekend". I included a link in both the format listing and at the bottom of the article. Any professional Wikipedians out there, please help out this beginner. I am unsure of what type of retro format, specifically, the WTIC FM "Wayback Weekend" is so I just labeled it as "80s". You will need to visit the webpage and read the article than use your own judgment as to what variation of the retro format the WTIC-FM "Wayback Weekend" should be labeled as. Also, a little room should be set aside in the article itself to describe the "Wayback Weekend" program. It has become a major attribute that listeners have started identifying the radio station. It makes it distinctly stand out from other CBS Radio stations. If the WTIC-FM website does not load properly through Firefox or Netscape, it is sure to work on Internet Explorer. Thank you for taking the time to read this unsigned comment.

Word with more than one meaning

Hi

I have a website called UnderFunded.com

When I search your site for UnderFunded it shows a movie. How do I add a second meaning?

Peter Munro —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.197.160.192 (talk) 04:27, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.

The way to avoid the problem that there is already an Underfunded article would be to call it something else like “UnderFunded.com.” But my advice is don’t bother: I’m sorry to say that your site is not notable enough for a Wikipedia article. If you wrote an article about your site it would surely be deleted. Instead you could develop your page at AboutUs, another wiki that does not have Wikipedia's strict notability requirements. --teb728 t c 05:12, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I see you have added a link to your site from Underfunded. That is NOT the way to go, and I have reverted your changes. See the Wikipedia guideline on spam. --teb728 t c 05:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Side by side tables

I am trying to test reformating Lists of Michigan Wolverines football receiving leaders so that the three sets of three tables appear side by side. I have tried with the |valign="top"| command, but this is not working in the table environment the same way I have used it at Barry_Bonds#Watchlists to lay things out in side by side columns. See the problem at Talk:Lists_of_Michigan_Wolverines_football_receiving_leaders#Testing another reformating. Can you make any suggestion that might work.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 04:29, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

In Prime gap#Numerical results I made a table with 3 cells and placed a table in each of the 3. Maybe you could use the same system? But 3 side-by-side tables of your size would be wide for many viewers. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair use image question

What exactly is the policy for using images from a CITY website for an article on a city department, specifically a police department?

I remembered seeing something specifically on Federal govt sources but didn't notice anything in the fair use page that talked about this area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.137.64.173 (talk) 05:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia’s policy is the same for all images, but the copyright status of images on US Federal government sites is generally different from most other sites. Almost everything on Federal government sites is in the public domain; almost everything on other sites is copyrighted. Copyrighted images can be use on Wikipedia if they are licensed in a way that allows reuse by anyone for anything. Without such a license they can be used only under Wikipedia’s highly restrictive “fair use” policy. --teb728 t c 06:09, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Basically, most images on state / local governments are not in the public domain. Logos and seals are an exception and allowed under fair use but not actual pictures. --Hdt83 ^Chat 06:25, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk page acting like a wormhole

The article Composer must have been subject to a failed move at some point or something. It’s somehow shares a talk page with List of composers. I’m not sure how this can be fixed. --S.dedalus (talk) 08:10, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Fixed, for some reason it was made into a redirect for Talk:List of composers. --Silver Edge (talk) 08:19, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

My Cookies and Account

Last time before I was trying to enter and login back into my account in Wikipedia but the website said:

Wikipedia uses cookies to log in users. You have cookies disabled. Please enable them and try again.

I don't understand. Why and how would I have my cookies disabled and how could I enable them again? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.166.182 (talk) 10:36, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

What browser are you using?

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! The Helpful One ^{(Talk) (Contributions)} 13:11, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Visit This website to understand how to enable cookies!

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! The Helpful One ^{(Talk) (Contributions)} 13:11, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Problem Logging-in to other languaje's Wikipedia with an account from the English site

I'm trying to login to the "Spanish" wikipedia, but my user id is not recognized in it. What is wrong? Thesr should not be a need to create another account, nor I'm willing to do so. Can this be solved? Thanks DPdH (talk) 14:23, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid not. Every Wikipedia is a project on its own, so you need to create a new account. Of course , you're free to choose for DPdH as your nickname again. 80.60.60.204 (talk) 14:45, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

There have long been preparations to solve it but it hasn't completed yet. See m:Help:Unified login. DPdH appears available in Spanish and you can also choose the same password. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Congressional District Demographic Boxes

How do I make the "percent native hawaiian" and "percent other races" visible on these user boxes? Just entering those figures into the table did not make them visible. This is the HTML I used, using California's 5th congressional district as an example:

{{Infobox U.S. congressional district
|state = California
|district number = 5
|image name = United States House of Representatives, California District 5.png
|english area = 157
|metric area = 387
|percent urban = 99.7
|percent rural = 0.3
|population = 639,088
|population year = 2000
|median income = 36,719
|percent white = 50.8
|percent black = 14.5
|percent native american = 1.3
|percent native hawaiian = 0.7
|percent asian = 15.2
|percent hispanic = 20.8
|percent other race = 10.3
|percent more than one race = 7.2
|percent blue collar =
|percent white collar =
|percent gray collar =
|cpvi = D+14
}}

Socal gal at heart (talk) 14:36, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

{{Infobox U.S. congressional district}} does not have paramaters called "percent native hawaiian" and "percent more than one race". The template source would have to be edited to include those parameters. I fixed [2] a template error which caused it to not display "percent other races". If a template is used with an unknown parameter then that parameter is ignored. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Inflation in the USA, what are the real numbers?

If we believe our Government then we only eperienced a rather benign inflation rate of 2.67% per year, on average,during the years between 2001 and 2007, or a total of 14.2%. This then makes the US dollar worth about 87 cents as of 1-1-2007. Yet looking at the actual out-of-pocked expenses, this might not be the actual story. My investigation revealed, that the true rate of inflation seemed to be related to the rate of increase in the US public debt which increased from $ 5.8 trillion in 2001 to $ 8.5 trillion at the end of 2006. This is an increase of 46.5%.At the same time, the Euro inceased by 30% in value, the S&P stock index by 30% and the commodity index by 40.5%. Based on these indicators we seemed to have had a real inflation of about 6.6% per year , or 37.7% over the five year period. This is about 1.3% less than the 7.9% average increase in the US public debt. The difference of 1.3% could be due to the average 1.3% increase per year in the US population. It can be argued the this population increase contributes a like amount to GDP, therefore cancels some of the US debt.

Hans D. Baumann, Ph.D. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.109.216.215 (talk) 15:36, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Rt. 16:08, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Odd situation

Evasive Action describes something other than what I would have expected. However, the common meaning of the phrase would be just a dictdef, and therefore not worth an article, and there don't appear to be any other meanings, so a dab page is not in order either. Yet nearly every Wikipedia Ghit I've checked refers to the more usual meaning. Any ideas? Clarityfiend (talk) 16:55, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

A dab page only needs two meanings. Though most have four or more, that is not a requirement AFAIK. Dicdefs can also be located on dab pages; see Mantle for an example. So, for example, you could move Evasive Action to Evasive Action (webcomic) and turn the resulting redirect into a dab page that reads like so:

Evasive Action has several meanings.

• An evasive action is...(dicdef)
• Evasive Action is a webcomic.

NF24^{(radio me!)} 17:38, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Haah! I finally found another notable meaning. Thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:25, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Hiding the title of an article

Hi. I would like to ask how you can hide the title of an article as done on the main page. Thanks in advance. 86.138.2.136 (talk) 18:05, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know why you would want to hide the title, but I don't believe that you can. NF24^{(radio me!)} 18:14, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

The main page does it, so there has to be some way. Not sure what it is, though. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 18:19, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps <div id="mainpage">? That's the only thing that I can immediately see in the source code that may hide the title. NF24^{(radio me!)} 19:20, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't quite understand it myself, but I believe this is accomplished in the first section of MediaWiki:Monobook.css. Algebraist 00:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Problem with WikiProject Constructed languages template

I've been trying to link all articles within the scope of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Constructed languages/Esperanto task force|Esperanto task force]] to their respective categories (found within [[Category:Esperanto task force articles]]). However, I have not been able to register all of the tagged articles into their proper categories. I believe there is a problem with the template, which is found at [[Template:WP conlangs]]. The new Esperanto task force (ETF) portion of it (which is the specific part that is experiencing these difficulties) is based on the USA/Canada task force of WikiProject Football, if that information is of any help to you. Also, the ETF tag can be added to talk pages and displays without any trouble; the only problem is that it doesn't link those articles into the [[Category:Esperanto task force articles]]. I would greatly appreciate any help you can offer. Thanks! TFCforever (talk) 19:16, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry about this one...this problem was resolved by User:Saizai, to whom I am very grateful! TFCforever (talk) 04:35, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Somebody deleted my contributions

Somebody deleted my contributions to the article Psychological resilience. He/She gave no reasons, why he did this. What can i do now? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Psychological_resilience&diff=177589865&oldid=177589739 --Resilienzi (talk) 20:03, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

You could ask them for their reasons. If they don't respond or give a reason that you feel is inadequate, then no one's stopping you from adding the material back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NASCAR Fan24 (talk • contribs) 20:20, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer. He/she did not chose a name and IPs change all the time. So i have no place where i can ask him for his reasons. May be i'll ask on the discussion page. Is there an easy way<to add the material back or do i have to copy and paste (that would be quite complicated in this case)?--Resilienzi (talk) 20:30, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

See Help:Reverting. The method is simple for people who do it frequently, but you should read the whole Help:Reverting page to understand the policies and guidelines associated with it (i.e., the conditions of when and when not to do it). --Teratornis (talk) 20:37, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Please let me aks a question. I assume most of you are from America. Well, i have never been to america and do not know much about your culture... would a revert be very rude?--Resilienzi (talk) 20:45, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Not at all. That's what makes getting rid of vandalism so simple. It seems some IPs have been doing some major editing on that page. I'm not sure whether the edits are productive or not; it seems to the version you would like to revert back to is this. However, that would be reverting 50-60 edits, which I don't think is a good idea, unless the edits since then had absolutely no place. Hope this helps.   jj137 ♠ Talk 20:56, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! I asked him on the talk page, why he deleted my contributions. If he does nort answer i am probably going to put them back in by "copy and paste"--Resilienzi (talk) 21:09, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

This may be too late, but why not try User talk:61.67.197.242? NF24^{(radio me!)} 21:16, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

copying an article from wikipedia

Chiar eu (talk) 22:26, 16 December 2007 (UTC)how can i copy and print an article from wiki?

Click "Printable version" in the box on the left-hand side of the page labelled "toolbox". NF24^{(radio me!)} 22:55, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Photos not showing up in <gallery>

In Brookside Gardens I added 3 photos to the 2 already in the existing <gallery></gallery> construct. The captions showed up but not the photos themselves. I thought this might be because these 3 are horizontal and the first 2 are vertical format, so I split it into 2 galleries. The photos showed up when I previewed the page, but when I saved it they were gone! Can you help? Hgrosser (talk) 22:29, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

The pictures in question show up on my computer. Try purging the cache (Ctrl-Shift-R in Firefox, Ctrl-F5 in Internet Explorer, WP:PURGE for others). NF24^{(radio me!)} 23:07, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Editing on a Disney character page

I'm afraid I found myself caught up in an "edit war" regarding an entry for a Disney character. I apologize for that and I'm trying to stay out of the "combat zone", even though another person is adding edits that not only do not have factual basis but seem to be expressing a personal bias. I had removed the comments he made but replaced them, since I don't intend to keep that page a battleground any longer (unfortunately, my own signature probably shows on it now). However, I've written to this person and very politely requested that he remember the Wikipedia etiquette rules and keep his edits neutral. I'm hoping he'll pay attention and do this; but if not, I'm wondering if that page can be "locked"? This is a character I like very much and I'm frankly offended at the speculations the editor is writing. Were the comments based on fact, there would be no problem. This is not a case of a mere disagreement; it's a matter of personal bias being presented as fact.EthelG (talk) 22:45, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Go to Requests for page protection and request full protection. See the protection policy for more information. Alternatively, you can give them a warning from the warnings page; if they continue to make unconstructive edits after a final or only warning, then report them to Administrator intervention against vandalism. You can also go to the Administrator's Noticeboard for Incidents if you feel that an administrator needs to get involved. NF24^{(radio me!)} 22:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice, it was very helpful. I've tagged some of the editor's comments using the "npov2" template, though I hope I used it right. So far, he hasn't removed his comments. May I go ahead and edit, then place the article under protection?EthelG (talk) 17:10, 17 December 2007 (UTC)EthelG

editing

Hi How long does it take after editing a page for the page to be updated Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.73.109 (talk) 22:50, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

New edits are shown instantly. NF24^{(radio me!)} 22:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

But you may sometimes need to bypass your cache to see them. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:14, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

How Do I Know How Many Edits I've Done?

I am wanting to submit an RfA (again...) and I want to know how many edits I've made so that I won't fail again (as miserably). Under my contributions, it only shows what edits I've made, not how many. Where can I find this? ♠♦♣♥ 23:03, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

First off, you can click "my preferences" at the top, that will show you your total number of edits (including your deleted contributions). However, if you want detailed analysis, there are several tools out there. You can find them all at the Toolserver, but the most-used one is Wannabe Kate (currently down at post time), which does not show contributions to deleted articles (deleted contributions). You can also use Query.php, which shows deleted contributions. Good luck on your RfA! NF24^{(radio me!)} 23:12, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

What's my 'username'? Does it matter? Should I just register afresh?

I contributed a small piece about Wolf Mankowitz being part owner of The Pickwick Club in the 1960s. It has been incorporated, therefore I am. But now I can't remember the username I gave at registration. Can you tell me? Does it matter? Shall I just register another 'username' and add something to another Wikipedia entry? Michael Young - <e-mail removed> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.33.91 (talk) 23:13, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Your username was Lifegetsteejus. If you associated your e-mail address with your account (by the way, you shouldn't post that here), then enter your username and click "E-mail new password" on Special:Userlogin. Otherwise, just get a new username. NF24^{(radio me!)} 23:17, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Prob with e-mail...

Ok. I'm having some problems with my confirmation email. I put in my email address into the My Preferences page more that 3 weeks ago, clicked the "resend confirmation email" button quite a few times since then, and still, no confirmation email. What's the problem? My email is flaminglawyer(at)aim(dot)com (yes that actually deters spambots). ♠♦♣♥ 23:24, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Might be a spam filter. You could always use gmail, which is preferred by many users because it hides your IP address (if you use the web interface). Prodego ^talk 23:28, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Wait a minute! Are you saying that every time I send an email, my IP address is sent with it?!? *looks alarmed* ♠♦♣♥ 23:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, usually. Prodego ^talk 23:33, 16 December 2007 (UTC)