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August 30

Image at commons overwrites?

Image:William Gibson by FredArmitage.jpg was fine until today, when someone mistakenly uploaded it to commons, whereupon it got tagged for speedy deletion (as it's creative commons non-com/noderiv licenced). I just want to confirm that the local image will still be here once the commons image is deleted? Or does it need to somehow get "transferred back" via a request somewhere? Thanks. (tangential thread about its licencing here, at Talk:William Gibson#Gibson photo licence) --Quiddity 00:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

It won't be here, as the one here was deleted at 20:58, 29 August 2007 by Quadell [1] for precisely the same reason it's tagged under on Commons, namely WP:CSD#I3. KTC 01:21, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Changing page title?

How do I change the Exile Parade wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exile_parade) to a capital P in Parade instead of a lower case p?

--Wazzalad 01:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Instructions are in: WP:MOVE. --Teratornis 01:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

how do you create the box bands wiki pages have??

Like this one on right handside with the photo for example - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasabian. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wazzalad (talk • contribs) 01:22, August 30, 2007 (UTC) --Wazzalad 01:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

That's called an infobox template. See: Help:Template, Wikipedia:Infobox templates, Help:Infobox, Wikipedia:Manual of Style (infoboxes), Category:Infobox templates, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Infoboxes. What article do you want to add an infobox to? --Teratornis 01:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

cheers mate, will look it up. I want to add it to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exile_parade --Wazzalad 01:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I see you added an {{Infobox musical artist}} to Exile Parade. It's great that on Wikipedia we can learn by examining the wikitext of existing articles (such as Kasabian) and copy the nice bits to new articles. May I suggest that you type an edit summary each time you edit a page, so other editors can easily tell what you did when they view the history of the page. Thanks. You might also look at WP:MUSIC so you can be sure Exile Parade meets Wikipedia's notability requirements for musician articles (by properly asserting the notability of the subject). I'm just trying to keep you safe from the deletionists. --Teratornis 04:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

notable omissions

I know there is a lot of great that came with the creation of wikipedia along with some expected and unexcepted negative consequences. There has been a lot of discussion about staff members of elected officials editing portions of their candidate biography. But my concern is that of a certain number of conservative activists/cheerleaders whose major mistakes, all of a sudden, are not in their wikipedia entries. Number 1 is Sean Hannity. While he started his gig on a NYC radio station, a cop was accused of sodemizing an African immigrant over and over and over again. Sean defended this cop constantly so much as to have the officers' father on air defending him. Sean went as far as to say "this guy is fruitcake who enjoyed anal sex" or something to that extent. Numerous sources have this on record. This was on wikipedia last year. All of the sudden, it's not there. However, that police officer did admit guilty to brutally assaulting that man. WTF?!! Number 2 is Ted Nugent. He admitted in a newspaper interview that he purposely did not shower, bath or use the restroom for over a month in order to dodge the Vietnam War. All of the sudden, this admission of cowardly refusing your country's service is also erased from Wikipedia. Why? or better yet, How?

`01:36, 30 August 2007 (UTC)~

If you have a reputable source that makes those claims, feel free to add the information (with the reference) to the article. However, keep the topic of the article in mind. For example, the Sean Hannity article is about all of Sean Hannity, not one incident in his entire life. A common mistake is to write up a 3,000 word essay on a single controversial event, obscuring the subject matter of the overall article. That will be reverted, not because it is untrue or unsourced, but because it simply does not belong. -- Kainaw^(what?) 03:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia has many articles that are specifically about Scandals. Such articles may be somewhat less susceptible to the "it does not belong" argument, because scandalous material clearly does belong in an article which is about a scandal. Follow the links from the Scandal article to see examples of articles about political scandals, religious scandals, etc. Also see Draft dodger. Wikipedia has lots of articles about unseemly behavior. --Teratornis 04:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Finding target word in article

I was looking for the meaning of the word "istle" (crossword entry)in Wikipedia. The search produced only four sources, one of which was "Madonna". This is a rather long article. I read it twice carefully and have not been able to find any reference whatsoever to "istle". Why would the Madonna site be listed as a source for this word? And if it is there, how come it is not highlighted? Many thanks. Richard —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.57.60.250 (talk) 01:52, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

There is a link to "whistleass.typepad.com/boot_george_in_2004/2004/01/madonna_support.html" on the page (click "edit this page" to see it easily. -- Kainaw^(what?) 03:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) The search function on Wikipedia quite frankly sucks. It probably noticed a word that had those five letters in that order and thought it's what you were looking for. In any case, the search function isn't set up to highlight your search terms in the article. If you're looking for a definition, though, you're better off using Wiktionary, which doubles as a dictionary and thesaurus. It doesn't look as though they have a page on that word, however. Sorry. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:14, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Try: google:istle for which the top search result says:

• a strong fiber (as for cordage or basketwork) obtained from various tropical American plants (as an agave).

And of course we have articles on fiber, cordage, basket, and agave, none of which apparently (yet) mention the word "istle." However, you could fix that. Having Google Search is like being a genius. --Teratornis 04:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia search is based on the source of the page so a search term may only be visible by clicking edit. Your browser probably has a feature to search and highlight a string in the displayed page. PrimeHunter 10:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

ice and life

if ice did not sank, there woulb be no life on earth today. pls. explain why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toyomxxx (talk • contribs) 03:05, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand your question, but it sounds like you're looking for the reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions, e're only here to help you use the site. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:10, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually if ice did not float, the oceans could freeze to the bottom in the polar regions, and that would cause some serious problems for animals that live in the area. "Life" could certainly still exist on earth, for example the toughest forms of life (bacteria and so on) can tolerate very harsh environments, but a lot of multicellular eukaryotes would find their environments seriously disrupted if ice was denser than water (which is the normal behavior for most materials that have a liquid phase and a solid phase - the solid phase is typically denser than the liquid phase). For more information see: Deep lake water cooling, Ice#Characteristics, Lake#Characteristics, and Water (molecule)#Density of water and ice. --Teratornis 04:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Deleted edit count

I believe I saw a tool once that counts how many deleted edits a user has. I can't remember for the life of me where I saw it. I have three questions 1) does this actually exist or did I make it up? 2) If so, where do I find it? 3) How does it work? How does it now how many deleted edits I have? --JayHenry 06:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Have a look at the list of edit counters at WP:COUNT. And yes, Editcountitis is not healthy. ;) In your case [2]. KTC 06:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

That's the one! Does anyone know the answer to 3? This is the part I'm most interested in. How is it able to find deleted edits? --JayHenry 15:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I think it's something to do with counting server side logs rather than running a query on your contribution log (i.e. as per the "wanabee kate tool by Interiot"). I'm no php expert but there is obviously a difference in making a lookup on Special:Contributions and server side queries. Pedro |  Chat  20:25, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

globle earth

I would like to how to get the globle earth moveing to view my home town —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.36.32.25 (talk) 06:18, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

This is a question for the reference desk - please ask there! Neil ム 08:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Having difficulty With what to put on my site

I have read the licence several times, but am still uncertain what needs to go into the article, the more I read the less I understand it.

I have put an article on my web site (Still under construction)

[3]

I have put the GNU Licence in thats fine.

But what do I put in for the copyrite notice? Is it that whole page full of links that is mentioned at the bottom of the article page?

And where and what is the licence notice?

And what do I put on my creative commons pictures.

If anyone can break it down to you put this and this in that would be great. (sorry the links are currently an odd colour)

Wiki About Myself

--Silverearth 07:18, 30 August 2007 (UTC)Can I create a wiki page of myself?--Silverearth 07:18, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Usually that's a page you should avoid creating for two reasons. 1. Wikipedia has notability guidelines and each subject must demonstrate a sufficient enough notability. 2. Subjects are often discouraged to start an article about themselves due to the possibility of conflicts of interest. However, you can create a userpage about yourself. This can be done at User:Silverearth (see WP:USERPAGE for more details as far as what is allowed on your userpage).¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 07:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Unclear Deletion of Sonic Belligeranza records

I don't uderstand the reason of this deletion, I wrote the text in similarity of all the others about breakcore records labels, can somebody tell me what's the problem? Below details of the deletion:

10:36, 29 August 2007 Hu12 (Talk | contribs) deleted "Sonic Belligeranza records" ‎ (WP:CSD#A7 content was: 'Sonic Belligeranza is an indipendent record label based in Bologna, Italy. It was started in the year 2000 by dj Balli and since then has released, al...' (and the only contributor was '[[Special:Contributions/Scaphandre|Scapha)

A7 is a deletion because it was an "unremarkable people, place, organization, etc", so in essance it was deleted because it is belived that the articles subject is not notable enough.---Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 08:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Copyright issues

Right, um, I'm aware of Wikipedia:Copyright problems but that only seems to be dealing with copyright issues where Wikipedia has copyrighted text that needs to be deleted: What about the other way around, where a website is using Wikipedia's contents verbatim and copyrighting it as its own? Where should this be brought to attention? Here, or is there another noticeboard, or at Copyright problems anyway? Thanks. AllynJ (talk | contribs) 09:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Have you taken a look at Wikipedia:Copyrights and Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content? --Silver Edge 09:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I had, yes; but I actually found what I was looking for: Wikipedia:Standard GFDL violation letter. Thanks all the same! :) (Although I do find it somewhat ironic that I'll basically be copy and pasting something as a warning over someone copy and pasting something... Heh.) AllynJ (talk | contribs) 10:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

accounting

what is store accounting —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.168.79.237 (talk) 09:14, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

You should ask this at the reference desk - this page is for help using/editing Wikipedia. Kevin 12:21, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

How can I insert language link?

Hello! I have created a Russian translation of English encyclopedia article, how can I insert a language link to the English page to let know that there is a Russian translation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.253.76.106 (talk) 10:20, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Insert [[ru:article name here]] in to the English article. --Silver Edge 10:28, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

edit dispute -- where do I post?

I want to resolve an edit dispute before it gets out of hand. However, navigating through the Village Pump and its pages on dispute resolution and getting a third opinion is a nightmare! I end up going in loops; I can find pages that outline policy, but I can't find where to actually post the issue. Can somebody please provide me with the direct link? (I'm asking for the direct link because I'm afraid if you just refer me to a topic, I'm going to end up in the same navigation loop as before.) Minaker 11:20, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to add some policy, too, just for the benefit of other readers. :) Wikipedia:Dispute resolution is the place to start with this. It lays out the general steps for processing these kinds of situations. If it is a dispute between you and one other editor, you might start it at Third opinion. It's a good idea to read that page and its directions before requesting a third opinion here, at the direct link. If it's a more general dispute between a larger group of people, you take it to Requests for comment. You follow the instructions found here for articles, by placing the template directly on the article's talk page. Does that help? --Moonriddengirl 11:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Not really. I've read up on the policies and was just very confused as to how to navigate to the actual posting page. That's why I wanted the direct link. From what I understand, there is a place to post comments on SPECIFIC edit disputes rather than general policy on the subject, and a place to post requests for third opinions. Your link sent me to a new page I'd be starting; surely I'm not the first person to post about an edit dispute or request a third person, so I'm not sure if that link is actually sending me to the right place. Minaker 11:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't give you the direct link for the Wikipedia:Requests for comment, because the template is placed directly on the talk page of the article. I know it seems peculiar that the Third opinion option requires starting a new section (I thought I had mislinked it at first because it was redlinked), but that is the link provided on the policy page. In your position, I'd give it a shot and see what happens and report back here if it doesn't work. --Moonriddengirl 11:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Moony!  :) Minaker 11:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I hope it works out. --Moonriddengirl 12:14, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, here is the right link. Don't use the redlink above. An easy mistake: The right link creates a new section in Wikipedia:Third opinion, so the edit page says "Editing Wikipedia:Third opinion (section)". The redlink by Moonriddengirl would create a new page called "Wikipedia:Third opinion (section)". PrimeHunter 13:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out! I arrived at that link by clicking on the "add your dispute here" button. Any idea what I did wrong in formatting my response? Did I just need to include the entire URL? Obviously I don't want to do it incorrectly again. :) --Moonriddengirl 15:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I clicked the link "add your dispute here" at Wikipedia:Third opinion#Active disagreements, and then copied the exact URL http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Third_opinion&action=edit&section=2&editintro=Wikipedia%3AThird+opinion%2FInstructions from the browser address bar. You must have seen the headline "Editing Wikipedia:Third opinion (section)" and then copied the text "Wikipedia:Third opinion (section)" to a piped link. That would have worked if the page had been Wikipedia:Third opinion (section). Clicking that redlink gives the exact same headline and font "Editing Wikipedia:Third opinion (section)", but in the latter case the URL is different and " (section)" is part of the page name. Maybe the developers should have written " (section)" in a different way when it indicates that a section is being edited and not that the page name ends with " (section)". I wonder whether anybody has accidentally created a page with a name ending in " (section)". Pentanthera (section) is not an accident. Editing a section of that article gives headline "Editing Pentanthera (section) (section)" [4]. PrimeHunter 16:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll be careful of piped links in the future. --Moonriddengirl 16:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

User:Janu86 (section) must have been accidentally created by Janu86 in an attempt to edit a section of User:Janu86 which was created the same day. The edit pages [5] and [6] have the same heading "Editing User:Janu86 (section)" but edit different pages. PrimeHunter 18:58, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

log in issue

Hi, I tried to create an account but used my web address as my user name(Www.cutmycarbon.biz)- note the capital W at the start. I think this has caused an issue as I cannot use Wikipedia. Can you help me sort this. Jonny

82.43.144.99 12:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Your username was blocked because it does not comply with the username policy. You should probably select something less like a web address. Kevin 12:18, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

A 2nd log in issue

If I log in as Ryan 1729, I get the successful login screen, but then if I go into any other page I am no longer signed in. Running Firefox on WinXP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.82.9.81 (talk) 12:38, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Make sure your browser is set up to accept cookies. If it is, click the "Remember me" button and see if that helps. If it doesn't, try clearing your cache (CTRL+SHIFT+R) when you notice you're not logged in. If THAT won't work, it might be a problem with your internet access, so try using the secure login. If it still isn't working after all that, check here to see if I missed anything, and then try that or file a bug report on bugzilla. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 13:10, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Naming articles

Hi, Could someone please direct me to wikipedia rules on naming an article. That is, what are the policies for choosing an article title? Thanks 3meandEr 12:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Naming conventions -- Kainaw^(what?) 12:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Help with pic

hey the article on Alfonso Ribiero needs a picture. i found a good one but i need copyright status help. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Carlton.jpg i included a link to where i found it when you get to the picture The juggreserection 13:25, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

It shows right on the article you pulled it from that the copyright is held by BPI. Did you get BPI's permission to use this photo in the public domain? If not, it must be removed from Wikipedia. -- Kainaw^(what?) 13:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

No i didnt. go ahead and pull it if you must. Sorry i cant understand this copyright stuff very much. The juggreserection 13:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Adding photos and updating the STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER PAGE

Hello I was just writing in concern to the Staffie page. I am a breeder and owner of many staffies. I want to add pictures of staffies in the show ring at an American kennel club event (AKC). And I also wanted to update and correct some of the comments on the page.. only a select few were miscontrued or incorrect. Thanks ~~burkeza~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Burkeza (talk • contribs) 13:52, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Is your question that you would like help or advice on the specifics? I could help you on your talk page or the article's talk page if you'd like. Leebo ^T/C 13:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

CONT~ STAFFIE PAGE

I forgot to ask. How do I add pictures? and they are my own pictures so they are not copyrighted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Burkeza (talk • contribs) 13:54, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, go to Wikipedia:Upload to upload the pictures to Wikipedia. Then Wikipedia:Images shows you how to add the picture to an article. Raven4x4x 13:58, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Be sure to pick the correct licensing when uploading your image. Some Wikipedians are pretty hot on licensing and copyright problems. Your image could be speedily deleted if it is identified as a copyright violation or if the licensing information is missing. Astronaut 14:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

How To Make A Page

A want to make a new page on for instance Maxime Foerste but I am not sure how to. Can you help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.79.101.50 (talk) 14:52, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

See Help:Starting a new page if you have an account, or is willing to register one. Go to WP:AFC if not. KTC 14:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Be aware, however, that this obscure German actress would probably fail to meet our standards of notability for the English Wikipedia. --Orange Mike 15:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

SHE IS NOT OBSCURE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by GoogleandYahoo (talk • contribs) 14:47, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Be wary of systemic bias. If the actress is notable enough, then she should be notable enough on any language specific encyclopedia project. KTC 15:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Why is Wikipedia being trimmed?

I've noticed recently that several articles that used to exist no longer do and many others have been drastically shortened. Is there a space shortage on Wikipedia? I understand removing superfluous information, but much of the information that has been removed is useful and difficult to find elsewhere. I've been looking for information about this trend, but my searches have come up useless. Could you please point me in the direction of any articles discussing the merits of a complete Wikipedia vs a concise Wikipedia? Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.70.99 (talk) 14:59, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Information that cannot be found elsewhere should be removed. Wikipedia is not a source for unique information. It is a source of referenced material. Therefore, everything on Wikipedia should be readily available elsewhere. -- Kainaw^(what?) 15:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

(Edit conflict)For deleted articles, see WP:WWMAD and WP:DP. In terms of shortened articles, it's entirely possible that the material of split off into a separate page of its own from the original after it got too long. KTC 15:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Could we get some examples? Articles which are advertisement, for example, are deleted every day. --Orange Mike 15:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't specify an editorial of the type you're asking for, but I will note that Wikipedia is constantly being trimmed (and expanded :)), often because information included is not Wikipedia:Verifiable or because pages do not meet criteria for inclusion. (See also What Wikipedia is not for inclusion limitations both on entire articles and sections within them.) Some articles are trimmed because they challenge article size guidelines--not so much over technical issues as issues of readability. --Moonriddengirl 15:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah, much thanks. While checking examples I did a bit more searching and found that some of the info was indeed split from the main article while others have referenced links that can help point to the info. Thanks, too, for the pointer to the sizing guidelines. I think it's more or less what I'm looking for. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.70.99 (talk) 15:12, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

RFA notice

Resolved

Can you assist me in modifying my RFA notice at User:TonyTheTiger/Header template —Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 15:11, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

I need it to go to the RFA3.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:14, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

The template reads the title of the page (and presumes it's on your user page) to create the link. The only solution I see is putting it on your user page, unless you change the template. Leebo ^T/C 15:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Done. KTC 15:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Creating a new article

How do I create an entirely new article in wikipedia? Meanmug64 15:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Read 3 sections up from this one. KTC 15:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

How to Add

How do you add images to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GoogleandYahoo (talk • contribs) 15:50, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

See Help:Contents/Images and media. KTC 15:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I was wondering.

Can you and how can advertise that your Wikipedia pages needs picutes or more information. For instance Maxime Foerste needs ,ore information and pictures, is there a way to advertise that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GoogleandYahoo (talk • contribs) 16:17, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Template messages/Talk namespace#Expansion requests has the details. Best. --Old Moonraker 16:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Power transformers question

hello, i want information regarding some betterment in performance of power transformers so that i could make thesis on it for my masters —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.62.98.31 (talk) 17:14, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Hi, you could try reading the article on transformers or asking at one of the reference desks. This page is for help with using Wikipedia. Leebo ^T/C 17:18, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Links

Is there a way to make a link to an edit page not show as external? I notice in the {{expand}} template, it links to the pages edit page without showing as external, but when I try to replicate it, I cannot get in to show as an internal link. LARA♥LOVE 17:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

It's not showing it as an internal link, it's just not showing the little arrow icon next to the link. It's still a lighter shade of blue like all external links. Also, that's not actually a full URL, it's a templated edit action, so it must be slightly different than a standard link. Leebo ^T/C 17:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Use <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.example.com example-name]</span> when formatting your link. --69.118.235.97 17:28, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay, so how do I hide the arrow? LARA♥LOVE 17:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

If you use the above formatting it will come out like this, example-name, no arrow to hide.--69.118.235.97 17:32, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Just so you know, the template wraps everything in a div with the class set to plainlinks - which is why the arrow doesn't show up. -- Kainaw^(what?) 17:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

(ec) Ah, okay, that worked great! Thanks!! LARA♥LOVE 17:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

On a different note, 69.118.235.97, if you're the same user who asked on User talk:69.118.235.97 about the orange new-messages bar, you may want to look at bugzilla:9213; something's gone wrong with the software and it's accting oddly for IPs at the moment. (Nobody seems to know for certain what's causing the bug at present, which is why it hasn't been fixed.) --ais523 18:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the response, however I've already learned about Bug 9213, and yes, I am the same user.--69.118.235.97 18:48, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Update It took 5 months to finally show up, but now the new messages bar won't go away ): 69.118.235.97 19:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Update II: it finally went away. 30 minutes seems to be the magic number, or maybe there's no rationale behind it at all, and the bug just affects different people in random ways?!--69.118.235.97 20:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Wallpaper

Hi,

Is there any kind of "wallpaper" available to put on a User Page ? I'd like something with flowers.

Thanks,

Vonita 19:14, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by a "wallpaper", but you might be able to get something to work with HTML coding. Try looking at Wikipedia:User Page Design Center and Wikipedia:WikiProject User Page Help for ideas. Leebo ^T/C 19:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikiprojects

How do you participate in a Wikiproject?Alex Rossi 19:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Just start working on it. If there is a name list on the project page, just add your name to it, and then start working. :-) Stwalkerster talk 19:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

SciFi, Time Travel books

Hi,

How do I narrow down my search for science fiction books that deal only with time travel? What I see now is a list of alphabetical listings for science fiction.

Thank you.

208.127.78.28 19:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Go to the article Time travel in fiction. --Orange Mike 19:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC) (and please, don't call science fiction "sci fi"!)

Sci-fi is a common abbreviation. Or were you just asking him to supplant his preference with yours? Leebo ^T/C 20:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Most active members of the science fiction community consider that other term demeaning, and eschew its use other than as a derogatory for bad films and television. --Orange Mike 20:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

As a fellow geek, I'll say true enough, but we also have to understand that the wider community does not adopt that standard. :) --Moonriddengirl 21:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Interestingly enough, this is actually briefly summarized in the article. Good thing my interest in science fiction is not intense enough that I would be upset to see sci-fi used for the sake of brevity :) Leebo ^T/C 21:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Moving pictures to commons

What is the best way to move Image:TrumpTowerChicago 07 29 07.jpg Image:20070221 Trump Chicago at Night.JPG Image:TrumpTower92906.jpg to [7]?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, to be moved to the Commons, they have to be used in some Wikimedia project. Unless it's added to an article, it can't be uploaded to the Commons. --Boricuaeddie 20:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Erm, nope? commons:Commons:Project scope#Wikimedia Commons is a common central media repository of all Wikimedia projects & commons:Commons:FAQ#Questions about the project would suggest "files uploaded to the Commons have to be useful for some Wikimedia project". That is not the same as saying it has to be in use already. KTC 21:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

O.K. so how do I do most easily?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 22:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Moving images to the Commons. WODUP 22:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 00:46, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Community Wikipedia

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am a user of Wikipedia from Singapore. My query is more on the note of whether we can use wikipedia for a community. I am a part of a community of 100 others who would find wikipedia useful to put up articles with relation to learnings and discussions about the same( similar to a community black book). While we are open to leaving these articles up on wikipedia for anyone to view, we would like to have control on the changes the users can make on these articles. Could wikipedia help us with this? If not, what would you suggest to be the next best option?

Thanks in advance! Regards Rohan 21:25, 30 August 2007 (UTC)~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.132.3.7 (talk)

The software which is used to present and edit Wikipedia is available under a free license; it is called MediaWiki. You can run your own copy of the MediaWiki software on your own servers, and have as much control as you like over who can add content, delete pages, and read the information that is posted. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 21:32, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for asking first. Wikipedia should not be used for your purpose. Subjects of pages must satisfy Wikipedia:Notability and other rules, and nobody owns a Wikipedia page. Everybody can edit it. You will have to find another website that allows your purpose, for example one of the many wikis listed at list of wikis or http://wikiindex.org. Or set up your own website. PrimeHunter 21:41, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

There is for example a wikiindex:Category:Community with a number of (you guessed it) community wikis. And see: wikibooks:Wiki Science/How to start a wiki. --Teratornis 03:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Contents disappeared

I made a minor change to the article "Mannheim" (a city in Germany). Now the contents of this article has disappeared completely. --PPWen 21:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't tell what happened. The page was blank for me, too, so I made a null edit (that is, I hit 'edit this page', and then just saved the same text without making any changes). I'm guess that there was some sort of caching problem or a hiccup in the database. In any case, the material is back again. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 21:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

TenOfAllTrades, your edit was not made, as there were no changes. I however, reverted to an earlier revision, which has restored it. I have no idea what caused this. I have also re-made PPWen's edit, and it still seems fine. As I said, I have no idea what caused this. :-) Stwalkerster talk 21:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I have both seen Mannheim being blank and normal, and both situations both before and after your edit during a period with no edits. I don't know what is going on. Could it be one of the used templates being vandalised and reverted? PrimeHunter 21:56, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

It's discussed at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Article not displaying properly. It appears something in Template:Infobox German Location causes pages using it to be blank some of the time. PrimeHunter 22:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

New user of en.wikipedia from it.wikipedia

Why in it.wikipedia there is the push-button "sposta" (to move to) in top of the pages with the others "Voce" ("Articles"), "Discussione" ("Discussion"), "Modifica" ("Edit this page"), "Cronologia" ("History"), "Sposta" (ther'isnt this) and "Segui" ("Watch") and in en.wikipedia there isn't? --Noname-en 22:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

There is. The issue is you need to have an account that's at least 5 4 days old. KTC 22:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

See Help:Merging and moving pages. KTC 22:41, 30 August 2007 (UTC)